Typical TBD Guy
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KW is definitely more suited to play 3-4 DE than 3-4 NT. I think the choice was made for him to play NT out of necessity more than anything else. He fit the position better than the other 4-3 DT's on the roster (Stroud, Johnson, McCargo). Maybe he's a little shorter and heavier than the "ideal" 3-4 DE, but if anything that gives him better leverage against the run. Plus he always has the option of losing 5 or so pounds of baby fat to give him a little more pass rushing speed around the edge.
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I don't even see a picture. The deadspin article shows a cigarette and a lot of blacked out stuff.
The picture is in the OPs link.
The only outrageous aspect of this story is that the starting QB of a pro team that represents the NYC market settled for a fattie. Sanchez has a major case of Clintonitis here.
And no, the 17 year old is in no way a victim here. Believe it or not, girls like sex too. In fact, most American girls have lost their virginity by the time they graduate high school. So all you self-righteous morality pricks and churchies and uber-family men who populate this message board need to STFU already. Sanchez did what all heterosexual young men (including you) have been doing since the beginning of anthropological time: trying to bang younger women of fertile age.
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It'd be nice, but it's been a long time since Ralph shelled out big bucks for an upper-echelon FA (and that the guy wanted to come here - there certainly may have been offers refused). The last one I can remember is Takeo Spikes.
Which is really what it all comes down to...this offseason, expect Ebenezer Wilson to hold this franchise back yet again.
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I honestly still don't understand how anyone can put up a logical argument as to why we should draft Quinn at #3. Can someone who wants us to draft him, try and educate me?
I'll give it a shot...
Athleticism: No debate here. He is a freak of nature. Has perennial Pro Bowl talent and game-changing ability when viewed as a 3-4 Sam LB. Only played 4-3 DE in college but had no trouble dropping back in coverage during the few times he was called on to do so. Scouting combine results should verify his unreal speed/size combo and cement him as a consensus top 5 prospect.
Experience: Became a starter almost since day 1 on a very talented squad and had a great freshman year (finished 3rd in ACC DROY honors). But his outstanding sophomore year (finished 2nd in ACC DPOY honors) is what prompted all the "#1 overall" talk before the suspension. Unlike Maybin - who had only a few great games - Quinn was consistently excellent throughout the season. So is Quinn a 1-year wonder? Not any more than Fairley or Bowers. Since so many top draft prospects these days forego their senior year of college, it's not uncommon to have no more than 1 great year of film on these guys anyway.
Character: Won the 2008 ACC Piccolo Award for coming back to play football after having a benign brain tumor removed during his senior year of high school. Head Coach Butch Davis has testified to his incredibly strong work ethic and locker room presence. NFL interviews will determine how serious his permanent suspension was for accepting an agent's gifts. Certainly showed a lapse in judgment, but I've also noticed that a lot of top recruits have been suspended to various degrees (Green and Dareus off the top of my head) for similar transgressions. This is the only evidence of a character "red flag," so if anything the lack of an extra year of game film on him is the only real concern surrounding the suspension.
Bottom line: With the 3rd overall pick in the draft, you first look for the franchise QB, followed by either the franchise LT or the franchise pass rusher, before looking for any other positions (WR, CB, etc.). There are no franchise QB's or OT's in this draft, and in my opinion Quinn is clearly the best pass rusher from the 5 most suitable candidates (Fairley, Bowers, Dareus, Miller being the others). In all honesty, every single one of the other players mentioned as potential 3rd overall picks has their issues:
Fairley - Haynesworth-esque character concerns
Bowers - questionable work ethic, not having elite first step
Green - too skinny of a frame, not having elite speed
Peterson - struggles with super agile receivers, subpar run support
Miller - too small to transition to the NFL level
Dareus - not really elite in any facet of his game
Newton - too stupid to handle the QB position in the pros
Mallett - Bledsoe-esque in the pocket, character concerns
Gabbert - ridiculous first name
DRAFT ROBERT QUINN.
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1. Robert Quinn DE/OLB UNC
2. Phil Taylor DT Baylor
3. Marvin Austin DT/DE UNC
4. Kelvin Sheppard ILB LSU
4. Rashad Carmichael CB VT
5. DeAndre Mcdaniel S Clemson
6. Lee Ziemba OG Auburn
7. Stanley Havili FB USC
Your mock draft gives me a giant erection. Thank you for this!
I think Quinn (as a 3-4 OLB) is the best player in this draft. It's a good thing he didn't play this year because we would otherwise have no shot at him.
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Newton would be an absolute STEAL at #3 overall. I have him ranked #2 on my big board, slightly behind Einstein but comfortably in front of Maxwell.
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Sage was last active here at 9:05pm, January 21. It is completely out of character for him to not show up here for more than a couple days. I can only assume he's dead, with the cause of death likely a tremendous lentil-induced rectal explosion.
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Fairley, Bowers, and Quinn all have much greater upside than Dareus. With the #3 overall pick, I want a potential Hall of Famer. Not a safe above-average player. This team needs difference makers and game changers, not more Whitners and Poslusznys.
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Buffalo's population will continue to decline. Along with the surrounding regions (i.e. Rochester, N.F., as well as the rural areas).
I respect that opinion because quite frankly, to date, the Buffalo-Niagara region was fortunate to have owners step in and save the Sabres.
But this isn't a 190 million dollar hockey team in the 4th rated sport in North America were speaking on here.
The NFL is a very serious business, and it's bottom line shows it.
The Buffalo Bills won't be here long after Mr. Wilson passes, that much I am sure of. Unless an investment can be made long term not only to the enhancement of team facilities, but to the fan base itself.
I am sorry, but the numbers don't lie here. The exodus continues out of this region, and shows no signs of stabilizing. Some in the business community have privately stated that the region could drop below 1 million in population by 2025. That's a mere 14 years away. That would make Buffalo the lowest local fan base in the league by far.
Not a good indicator for the future of a professional football team to remain viable market wise in the NFL while there are a multitude of other locations with larger markets.
A domed stadium would not only stave this off for a bit, but would also generate interest in development and hopefully some growth in the region.
You really have to look at the strategic plan, not just the tactical one when approaching a situation such as this.
How do you explain the financial viability of the small-market Packers or Saints?
What markets outside of LA and Toronto would the Bills be in realistic danger of moving to?
What inside info do you have that no one else here has regarding the interest of Pegula, Golisano, Rich, Jacobs, etc... in keeping the Bills in Buffalo? Keep in mind that we only need a majority owner to purchase 30% (~$200 million...the price of the Sabres) of the total worth of the franchise.
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Pegula is out. He is going to spend alot of money in multiple areas, the Bills aren't one of them.
Golisano isn't interested in another round in sports franchises either.
Jacobs? Maybe, but he lacks the financial means to achieve all of the necessary goals for the Bills to stay in Buffalo.
Rich? No way, he is down with this area.
Kelly? Hahahahahaha, please, if this guy had the tools together, it'd be a done deal already.
No, I think many people here are discounting what the real cost of the Bills is going to be.
It's not just the franchise itself. It's the new Domed Stadium that will without a doubt, have to be built for any Professional Football Team to stay here in the area and remain financially viable.
The team itself is no longer justified given the ever shrinking fan base regionally due to the constant lose of population numbers in the region as industries continue to downsize, fail or pack up and leave.
Without a Domed Stadium, the Bills are as good as gone, it's merely a matter of time now.
The cost of a Domed Stadium engineered for the eastern end of the Great Lakes would be roughly 1.7 billion dollars or more.
That does not include the price of the team.
Well aren't you just a precious ray of sunshine tonight...
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You've got to figure that the Chargers and Jags are the frontunners right now, with the Vikings, Raiders, Rams, and Bills as dark horses.
The silver lining for the Bills is that 4 billionaires - Rich, Jacobs, Golisano, and now Pegula - have publicly gone on record as having an interest in buying the team and keeping them in Buffalo should the time come that the team becomes available. Furthermore, we have Jim Kelly's mysterious financial group, which may already include some of the above 4 guys.
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There are two debates going on in this thread.
The first deals with the opposing draft strategies of BPA vs. need. I lean heavily toward the BPA approach. Drafting for need tends to leave you with too many John McCargo types on the roster. There are other ways to fill your roster holes. For one thing, there are seven rounds in the draft - not one. But there's also free agency. And you can also trade some of your players at positions of surplus for players at positions of need. It's all a matter of degree, of course. Take the future Hall of Fame WR over the future marginal Pro Bowl DE, but definitely take the future Hall of Fame DE over the future Hall of Fame WR.
The second and far more interesting debate is this: how good is AJ Green, in comparison to Fairley/Bowers/Dareus/Quinn/Miller? Is Green the "next Randy Moss/Calvin Johnson?" Superlatives like these get thrown around way too often at this time of year. If Green really is that good, what does that say about Julio Jones, a WR who as recently as a couple months ago was thought to be neck-and-neck with Green for best WR in the draft?
I will personally not throw a childish tantrum if the Bills pick Green at #3, as their scouting work is (hopefully) more thorough than my YouTube viewing and internet mock draft reads. However, my opinion at the moment is that Green isn't even among the top 3 talents in this year's draft. I actually have him as 4th best prospect, right behind Fairley and Bowers and Quinn who each also happen to be players at dire need positions in the front 7.
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Only $104.41 million payroll? Bottom line: Ebenezer needs to spend some $$ this free agency period.
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Internet Tough Guy wants a supermodel girlfriend.
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It's even more shocking when you can see how different he looked in the 1960's:
!@#$ing !@#$ !@#$ I always fall for this !@#$ing **** !@#$
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He has Fairley #1 and Patrick Peterson #2. FWIW- He has Gabbert going to Arizona #5, AJ Green to Cleveland #6, Von Miller to Tenn #8, Cam Newton to Washington #10, Ryan Mallett to Seattle #25
So I assume he has Bowers going #4 to Cincy? Is that wise to pass on him? I've really been going back and forth on my opinion of all these guys. Dareus would by no means be a bad choice, but I don't think he has anywhere near the pass rushing potential that Bowers has...despite Bowers being a little too light to play 3-4 DE.
Thoughts?
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Here they are in chronological order from the time that they arrived:
2001: Moorman
2003: Lindell, Kelsay, McGee
2004: Wilson, Evans
2005: Parrish
2006: Jackson, Whitner, McCargo, Youboty, Williams, Ellison
2007: Scott, Corto, Huggins, Posluszny
2008: Stroud, Spencer Johnson, Stupar, McIntyre, McKelvin, Corner, Stevie Johnson, Bell
2009: Brohm, Watkins, Sanborn, Florence, Hangartner, Fitzpatrick, Maybin, Wood, Levitre, Byrd, Shawn Nelson
Who stays and who goes? That is to say, who makes the 53-man opening roster next season and who doesn't?
I already count 8 guys we can all agree are as good as gone (McCargo, Youboty, Ellison, Corto, Huggins, Stupar, Brohm, Watkins).
But what about the other 28? Discuss.
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Every stinking year! Either its planned this way or we are that unlucky. I bet playing the Pats and Jets/Fish (one of them always seem to be in the playoffs but never both) has something to do with it but why the hell cant we play the NFC West? My guess is its planned.
But I guess its ok, we are gonna stink next year anyways so if we are gonna lose we might as well be good at it. Maybe a few more drafts and we can actually field a talented team. One can only hope….. :-(
Your guess would be correct. It is, in fact, planned. We played the NFC West in 2004 and consequently almost made the playoffs but choked at home against Pittsburgh's backups. Then we played against the NFC West in 2008 but blew a 4-0 start that included easy wins against Seattle and St. Louis. We will play the NFC West once more in 2012 but will probably blow that one as well. Why? Mostly because we finish anywhere from 0-6 to 2-4 in our division every year. It's hard to make the playoffs when you expect to start the season with an already assumed average of 5 losses.
No conspiracy. Just plain old incompetence.
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So with the 3rd highest pick, the Bills take the second best CB in the draft? Makes perfect sense to me. This April it will have been 3 entire years since we last used a 1st round pick on a CB.
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Didn't throw 4 or more interceptions today.
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Don't know about the two so-called 3-4 DEs - Dareus and Bowers. The latter did almost nothing in his bowl game and Dareus doesn't seem to fit the position, too short and sluggish. He is definitely built like Kyle Williams, but is this what you want?Fairley looks more the part to me, but he may be gone when the Bills pick 9th after their great vitory over the toothless Jets.
Maybe Carimi is the best pick.
Dareus is 6-4, 300 lb, and runs a 4.5 40 yd dash. He is the prototypical 3-4 DE.
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Can all you Buddy Nix apologists explain the Chris Kelsay re-signing? 4 years and $24 million? I accept the excuses for the poor 2010 draft class production and the lack of big-name 2010 free agents, but the Kelsay contract is !@#$ing inexcusable. It reeks of the same foul stench that permeated Marv Levy's GM tenure.
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Not the point. The OP was calling him cheap because he did not buy his own product so people can stay home and watch on TV instead of going to the game. Pay attention.
Agreed. Ralph is cheap for a variety of reasons, but not for the one that the OP suggests.
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It's hard to say nice things about the man after his behavior during the "Bills-in-Toronto" press conference a few years back. It was a total slap in the face to all the loyal fans of WNY.
After reading some comments and thinking about what the Bills might do
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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I won't even get into the MAJOR character issues concerning this guy. How about the 26-27-60 rule for evaluating NFL QB's? It may not be an exact scientific formula for predicting pro success, but Newton already fails the second requirement by a full season's worth of experience. Teams may be willing to roll the dice on this one particular deficiency, but not if he doesn't at least score in the 20's on the Wonderlic test. No amount of physical skill at the QB position can overcome an inability to mentally handle the speed and complexity of the NFL.