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1 hour ago, Chaos said:
Everything bolded does not improve the team.
You can't read my post without first seeing and understanding the CIRCUMSTANCES in which the Bills off season started. When you have been a division winner and final 4 - 8 finisher for 4 straight years the off season isn't about getting better as much as it's about staying at the top.
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Under the circumstances the Bills have had a top 5 off season so far. They re-signed the two guys from the team they had to; they added a high quality offensive weapon, they solidified their coaching ranks; they got their CAP under control and basically Belichecked several players who were on the downward trajectory of their careers.
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6 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
No.I don't believe it either but my daughter in law who is a big Bengal's fan says it was blowing up her social media!
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Down here in Cincinnati this is big news today:
http://thebengalsboard.com/Thread-Jefferson-to-Bengals-rumors?page=2
Supposedly it would involve Higgens and 2 1st round picks to land JJ from the Vikings!
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33 minutes ago, julian said:
If a “Bills fan” is pointing fingers at Josh Allen as the reason for falling short of a championship, it’s an obvious attempt to garner a following, the poster is attempting to stand out from the crowd, to be edgy.
Or maybe the poster is simply a moron trying to convince the rest of us about how football illiterate they are.
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2 hours ago, Boatdrinks said:
Pay a real Quarterback. Hopefully they won’t.
Russel Wilson would be a great addition!
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On 2/24/2024 at 12:31 PM, Mat68 said:
Mahomes was a pretty big upgrade over Alex Smith. The team was also good enough to clinch the 2nd seed. Compare the 2018 KC Chiefs roster vs the 2018 Buffalo Bills roster. The outcome would not be the same. Most likley, Buffalo is exactly where we are now and Allen is on the Chiefs winning with better teams.
People forget that McD/Bean gutted the Bills offense for the 2018 season. That unit was bad. The fact that Allen showed glimpses of the great QB he would become with that group around him is amazing in hindsight. A lot of rookie QB's would have been knocked out of the league facing what Allen faced his rookie year as a starter.
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3 hours ago, Nklaiste1 said:
Unpopular - Allen isn't nearly as good as people think. I just don't view him as "top tier" quarterback as most people do. I can't put my finger on it exactly but he's just missing something.
A lot of people would have said something like this about Mathew Stafford when he played at Detroit. Then he was traded to LA and won a Super Bowl. You might want to look at coaching & the Bills roster rather then Allen here.
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12 hours ago, SaulGoodman said:
I very much doubt that Allen would have had a lot of success in KC's offense this year.
I believe that the Chiefs would have had a better regular season record with Allen at QB this season and still would have won the Super Bowl.
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On 2/15/2024 at 2:03 PM, SaulGoodman said:
I definitely haven’t said that Mahomes hasn’t had any advantages. He had a lot of offensive talent around him in his first few seasons, his defense was very good this year, and his coach is great with quarterbacks. But a lot of these narratives are bogus. You can’t say that the Buffalo staff could never scheme someone open when the very play we’re talking about was taken from the Bills. And you can’t say that Allen’s been at a disadvantage in terms of offensive talent the last few years.
You can absolutely say that Allen's has been at a disadvantage versus the Chiefs during the last "few years" if you define "few" as 3 years.
* During the 2021 season the Chiefs had Kelsey AND Hill, and Andy Reid, enough said.
* During the 2022 season the Chiefs had Andy Reid and one of the top 3 rated offensive lines in the NFL the Bills had one of the worst, enough said.
* During the 2023 season for the first time in Allen's career he had similar talent as Mahomes on the O line & among his skill players. And the Bills beat the Chiefs during the regular season, finished ahead of them to gain home field advantage in the playoffs and then only lost the game when their FG kicker missed a 44 yard kick in the last 2 minutes. Oh and Mahomes still had Andy Reid as coach AND a championship caliber defense.
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21 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:
Your first sentence above insinuates that JA never makes an inaccurate throw, which of course is nonsense.
As for the other sentence, people can also tell me the sky is green, even though I can plainly see that it is blue. So I normally go with what my eyes actually see. 😉
There you go again. Where in that sentence does it remotely suggest Allen NEVER makes an inaccurate throw? Rib's point, which is difficult to rationally dispute is that pressure as Allen released the ball impacted the throw and caused him to miss Shakir. A reasonable & defensible criticism here is that Allen should have stepped up in the pocket a half second sooner and made the throw. But again you demand PERFECTION from Allen and no one else on the team - it's crazy to me.
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2 hours ago, Bob Jones said:
Against the Chiefs, in the final drive, he DID need to do more. On 2nd and 3rd downs, he threw incompletions. If Mahomes was our QB in that situation, he would have thrown a completion (or ran for a 1st down like he did in the SB multiple times), kept the drive moving downfield, and either got close enough for a chip shot FG or got the go ahead TD. If you don’t agree with the latter, you’re lying to yourself.
Btw, I’m not a moron, and have been closely watching NFL football for 50+ years, so I have an “educated” opinion. OTOH, regardless of what all these stats say, people who think JA has no faults are blinded by homerism. I understand the latter, but it doesn’t make it right.
I don't buy this. In the 4th quarter Allen drove the Bills 54 yards in 14 plays using 6:23 BEFORE he threw those 2 incompletions. On that drive Diggs dropped what would have been at minimum a 60 yard completion. Allen converted one 3rd down and one 4th down on that drive. The FACT remains that while the ending wasn't perfect Allen put the Bills in position to tie the game with less then 2 minutes remaining. Missing a 44 yard FG in today's NFL is inexcusable.
You are criticizing Allen for not being perfect on that last drive where "perfect" in your mind was to score a TD to go up by 4 with less then 30 seconds to play. That is an amazingly unrealistic expectation for someone who has been watching football for 50+ years.
For nearly three quarters of the Super Bowl Mahomes could only lead his team to 2 FG's while throwing a bad INT. He was gifted a TD late in the 3rd quarter after a terrible special teams play by the 49's. The idea that if Mahomes were the Bills QB playing against the KC defense we would have achieved the PERFECT outcome (TD with very little time left) is purely hypothetical.
Finally, the charges of "homerism" by you and others because some of us debate what we think are your awful takes on Allen is getting old. NO ONE is saying Allen is perfect and can't improve his game. What we are saying is that the extent to which Allen can further improve his game is minuscule compared to the other places that the Bills need to improve their play & coaching. The problems preventing the Bills from becoming a perennial AFC Championship/Super Bowl games participant and winner has almost nothing to do with Allen and almost everything to do with other aspects of the Bills.
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On 2/15/2024 at 8:53 AM, May Day 10 said:
Houston is going to be a major problem for the next 3 years.
Maybe, maybe not. A lot of us thought Jacksonville was going to be that team this year and look what happened. The Texans now must clear the first hurdle a bad team must overcome when they become relevant again - repeat it. This is easier said then done as Jacksonville and the NY Giants to name just a couple of recent teams that were unable to do it.
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21 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:
Just stop. Did not even make it to the AFCCG. Stats like this mean squat. Just win, baby.
Where stats do matter is when you're trying to determine where you are falling short and how you get over the hump to "just win, baby". And Allen's stats are a reminder that he is the Bills best player. Stats also provide compelling evidence to disprove the morons constantly claiming that "Allen has to do more".
13 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:But in the NFL, QB is BY FAR the most important position, and that one player can make WORLDS of difference. See Tom Brady with the Bucaneers, for example.
And in the NFL a single player, even a HOF QB considered by almost everyone to be among the best to ever play the position, is not enough. Just ask Dan Marino.
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1 hour ago, DrDawkinstein said:
And come to think of it, not listing QB but putting blame on him in your replies gives you the opportunity to argue with everyone who responds... Is this just a thinly veiled hate-on-Josh post for yourself?!?
I think you're on to something here. If QB had been listed as a reason for why he Bills had not been more successful the poll would have lost all credibility. I mean no sane person could list QB as a reason the Bills were not better. Heck, put Mahomes on the Bills and I am very confident they still would not have won a Super Bowl.
2 hours ago, FireChans said:Who can forget Josh’s elite performances carrying us against the Chiefs, Cowboys, Chargers, Pats #2 and Dolphins to close out the year? McD was just along for the ride as our boy was lighting up the scoreboard.
Allen played very well in those games and made some monster plays to help win them. Also the threat of what Allen can do is a very powerful weapon and Brady deserves credit for using it in ways Dorsey did not.
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
See there it is. Why can’t McD hold a lead against the GOAT QB and coach while Josh throws an absolutely TRASH pick to give them life?
You mean like the trash pick Mahomers threw against the 49's in the SB that his D saved his butt on? Funny how when Allen would throw a pick in the middle of the game giving the team the ball 50 yards from a score it was the turning point but on a championship team like KC it's an opportunity for the defense to rise up.
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I went with coaching & FO:
* Thirteen seconds was the year the Bills win a Super Bowl if not for that total meltdown by the teams coaching staff in that playoff game. With a win in 2021 over the Chiefs in the playoffs at Arrowhead and by definition the Chiefs are no longer the impediment.
* This season the FO screw ups and MISSED opportunities in 2022 & 2023 kept us from winning the Super Bowl. I may not be fair here as injury's have an element of bad luck associated with them but the choices to sign Von Miller and not get CMAC and/or DHOP was the difference in the Bills not winning the SB this season. I know hindsight is 20/20 but is there any doubt that if the Bills had not signed Miller and traded for CMAC during the 2022 season and signed DHOP this off season instead of Floyd there would be a SB parade in Buffalo today.
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19 minutes ago, appoo said:
This is against an elite defense and Kalil Shakir as his best WR and literally no deep threat on the field.
Josh doesn't need to do anything more than he's already doing. It's the rest of the team that needs to get better.
I'm not far from concluding that Josh is a better QB than Mahomes
AMEN!
6 hours ago, Shaw66 said:I know others in this thread have said, "Josh is great and he's not the reason the Bills haven't won," and I get that idea. However, the supremely good quarterbacks raise the level of all the players around them. We're seeing Mahomes, and we saw Brady. Peyton had it, too. I don't think Rodgers had it, and I think Allen currently is like Rodgers. Rodgers has amazing talent, and sometimes his amazing talent wins games for his team. But Rodgers didn't have his team behind him in the same way that Mahomes and Brady do/did. Rodgers demands that his teammates follow him; Mahomes brings his teammates along with him.
Allen does elevate the players around him and that is exactly what he did with guys like Beasley, Brown, Sanders, McKennzie, Foster and others. The fact is all the great QB's out there such as Mahomes & Burrow elevate those around them. The difference between them and Allen is how far they must elevate those players to get to the Super Bowl. Burrow in 2021 had to elevate his WR group a lot less then Allen did in 2022 & 2023 and Mahomes this season had to elevate his coaching staff a lot less then Allen did in 2021. Does anyone think that Spags & Reid blow that lead with 13 seconds left if the situation had been reversed and Mahomes had just threw that TD? I don't.
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17 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
You'd be crazy to argue that McDermott is on a similar level as Reid, I won't pretend otherwise.
I was on the "let's move on from McD" bandwagon for most of the season, and I'm still kind of there (purely from a philosophical perspective that Offensive HCs are inherently better choices in the modern NFL). I'm not going to pretend that McDermott is a bottom tier coach though, just because he hasn't done it doesn't mean he can't.
I agree and yes I do believe we can win a SB with McD IF he and Bean change the direction of the teams draft & FA signings to work at surrounding Allen with the best possible players and IF Brady is the real deal at OC. At the same time it will be a lot harder to win a SB with McD then with an offensive minded head coach.
And what makes this station so frustrating to me is that McD is NOT a bottom tier coach he is actually in the top half of coaches. But living in Cincinnati all these years allowed me to experience Marvin Lewis who also was a good but not great coach who resurrected a dead franchise. IMO the only reason McD has had some playoff success whereas Lewis went 0 - 7 in the playoffs is Allen.
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2 hours ago, 26TrapDraw said:
Your post was good and you formulated some good thoughts. I said this to my Wife when we were driving home from the Super Bowl party.
Patrick Mahomes is a champion because he make critical plays when he has to /needs to and Josh Allen Does not. Mahomes doesn’t give a shyt who his receivers are. He finds a way. Did anybody here think the Chiefs were not gonna win in OT?? Allen When Playing the chiefs this year in the playoffs screwed up at the end of the game. He didn’t use his brain when it mattered most.Think long and hard about that and Flame all you want but bottom Line is Mahomes has 3 rings and is a Champion. Our Boy sat on his Ass and watched..
I guess you didn't watch yesterday's game. Mahomes was great especially when he had to be but what differentiates the Chiefs from the Bills is that their coaching staff and other players surrounding Mahomes are also clutch and came through when they needed to. That's true complimentary football, not the fake version that McD talks about.
Yesterday the Chiefs defense kept them in the game while Mahomes and the offense were figuring things out. KC had only THREE POINTS at half and had not exactly moved the ball up and down the field. Yet the 49's only led 10 to 3. The Bills D would have probably given up 24 points to the 49's in yesterday's first half. But Mahomes and Reid had the luxury of time to get it right - thanks entirely to their D.
Then in the 3rd quarter Mahomes throws a bad INT but again the KC D rises up and doesn't let the 49's gain a first down after getting the ball at the Chiefs 45 yard line.
And how abut Kelsey? One catch for 1 yard in the first half and 8 catches for 92 yards in the 2nd half. The guy was a beast and made clutch catch after clutch catch for Mahomes. Who on the Bills offense rose up in the 2nd half to dominate the Chiefs D? All I remember was a single great Shakir TD catch and a couple of drops by the rest of the WR's.
At the end of the game, in a situation similar to what Allen faced near the end of the Chiefs game Mahomes missed seeing a wide open WR for the game winning TD to try to force a throw to Kelsey. KC then made the FG to get to OT and in OT their D held SF to a FG after the 49's made it to the Red Zone and then Mahomes did his magic to drive for a TD and win the game.
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1 hour ago, ganesh said:
When the game was on the line in OT, Mahomes drove his team down the field for the SB winning TD. That is clutch.
I love Josh as our QB but he had the chance to win that game against the chiefs by keeping the ball till the end; instead he went for Hero ball and misfired. That is the difference between the two...it is marginal..but that is what wins the SB
If we don't misfire on that lsat drive and forcing to kick a 44 yard FG (with a shaky kicker) then we are moving to the AFCC....But we failed. that is the difference between the two teams.
So in spite of your "great love for Josh as our QB" it's his fault that we didn't beat the Chiefs in the divisional playoff game? Judas Priest it's this type of thinking that drives me nuts. By any objective observation the least of the Bills problems versus the Chiefs is Allen. Yet the same folks continue to call out Allen as the issue over and over and over again.
You people expect Allen to be perfect and when he's not you cry about his "losing the game". And as Greg Cossel repeatedly notes about the Bills requiring Allen to be perfect every game is crazy and WILL NEVER WORK. BTW, Mahomes was far from perfect: he threw a bad INT in the 3rd quarter but his D rose up and snuffed out the 49's threat. And then at the end of regulation Mahomes zeroed in on Kelsey failing to see a wide open receiver that would have easily caught a TD pass and won the game.
This is called the eb & flow of a game. And it's here that with far superior coaching and better clutch players surrounding him Mahomes can shine. If the Bills want to challenge the Chiefs they have to surround Allen with the same.
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2 hours ago, Steptide said:
I think you have to play mistake free against kc. When San Fran turned it over on the punt, I think that sealed their fate
And notice how after Mahomes threw a terrible INT early in the 2nd half the Chiefs three and outed the 49's. That also sealed their fate.
As an aside, it's interesting how some Bills fans view every Allen INT as the reason for a Bills loss. Yet Mahomes threw a pick yesterday as bad as any Allen threw over the whole season and what happened? The Chiefs D rose up and didn't allow the 49's to get even one 1st down. Now that's true complementary football not the fake version that McD practices.
1 minute ago, Bruffalo said:The Bills are the closest team to the Chiefs and they have been since 2020. If the Bills were in the NFC it would have been Bills v Chiefs superbowls 3 of the last 4 seasons.
It's unfortunate that the perception of the Chiefs is so much more favorable than the Bills even though the true skill gap is much tighter than most will admit.
Coaching is the crucial and apparently insurmountable difference between the two teams.
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From 30,000 feet the "chasm" between the regular season Bills and the playoff Bills comes down to two general factors:
1) Inferior coaching
2) The wrong roster structure with the defense being prioritized over the offense.
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12 hours ago, Orlando Tim said:
I had the Bengals game flipped with the Broncos game in my head, Doc Brown showed me the error of the my ways along with you.
And even in the Bronco's game Allen walked off the field with the lead with less then two minutes to play. Folks can point to injuries as the reason that McD's defense lost the Bills multiple games (including the divisional playoff game) this season but except for the Jets opening game Allen's TO's were not a significant factor in the rest of our losses.
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Does Josh Allen still work as hard in the offseason?
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Are you basing this on Allen doing a lot more commercials then Mahomes in the off season?