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Getting pregnant doesn’t feel like the culprit unless he really didn’t want to. That said, I recall trying (and failing) to get pregnant with our second and that causing lots of emotional stress, especially with the miscarriages. Those were awful, and would cause anyone to have issues that bled into other parts of their life, especially depending how their wife handled it (not great in my case).

So...just as a reminder wrt Panthers game... 1. Josh was essentially blaming himself in the post game presser for passing game struggles. 2. Bills media guys doing all 22 are pinning a lot of the struggles on Josh. I get everyone wants to blame the receivers, and they definitely deserve blame for what we've seen this year, but it's time for some on this forum to admit Josh has been subpar in a lot of these games. He needs to be better for this team.

My take is he is dealing with something and that's why he's had some uncharacteristically brutal throws the last few weeks. But he's also made more bad decisions this year usually trying to do too much. Then he reverts to 2019 only without the same athletic ability. He isn't playing with the same confidence.

After the last few weeks, I'm starting to think it's not all on the receivers. Josh isn't always seeing them when they do get open, and when he does he's not accurate.

I also wonder about this. He's had accuracy issues three games in a row.

He might be able to come back for SB

To me the part that is most concerning is previous years we'd get gashed by certain teams while in nickel, and it was always frustrating because McD/Frazier wouldn't make any adjustments until at least halftime. This year we're coming out in base defense sometimes with 7-8 guys in the box and we're getting gashed by everyone. This is a new problem even though it feels like an old one, and it's bad.

Josh Allen led team that can score on you playing any way (run, pass, read option, scramble,..) Good luck outscoring us. Oline, RB, and TE groups are good to elite as units.

Is Curtis Samuel really going to give us nothing this year?

No. Haven’t you heard? Josh needs more receivers and we need to look more like the Bungles with zero hope on defense.

Maybe I'm being naive here. Can you point me to a recent trade for a high profile guy in line for a big extension where the team traded significant capital to get him but didn't extend him? I assumed the extension is done almost as part of the trade. Player/agent are involved in the discussion to the point of having enough leverage to influence where he lands. Also, Olave makes 15M next year. Who's left to restructure? We're already up against it after the deals this year. Even in your scenario with no deal I'm not sure it works. Edit: I guess we could take a 1st for him as a rental and them trade him this off season, but again, I think player/agent wind up getting some say in this even if we think they shouldn't as most teams seem to operate that way when it comes to high profile trades.

This is a fair point. I didn't realize he was up to 5. Last year he had two those were the ones I knew about. But other top receivers (Lamb, Nacua, St. Brown) also had concussions early on and it hasn't seemed to effect their value. If Olave gets through 2025 healthy with no more concussions, you think someone isn't going to pay him? And yes, I'm arguing we can't afford the financial commitment to a true #1 receiver. Not anymore. If I'm wrong on that aspect, I'd love for someone to explain how/why.

Diggs went for a 1st, 4th, 5th, and 6th. Olave is only in year 4 still on his rookie deal. He was #11 overall pick. He's worth more in a trade than some of those other guys who were older and already on their second deal. And regardless of whether you think he's only the 20th best receiver, or maybe closer to top 10-15, he's still someone who will deservedly expect to get paid - we can't afford him - and someone the Saints won't want to trade unless they can do much better than a 2nd. Like, why would they? You spend real draft capital on guys you expect keep. I don't understand how we keep him.

People really think Saints are trading Olave for a 1st? That guy is about to get paid. If they can't get a deal done (cause he's worth A LOT), the price will be two 1sts or 1st and 2nd and..., and then give Olave 30M+ AAV contract. Meanwhile, we are projected to have under 8M in cap space next year, and we just gave out a bunch of extensions.

It feels like there are way more questions than answers re wr upgrades. For example… How are we supposed to fit any theoretical upgrade under the cap unless the player is expiring and we pay extra so the trading team eats basically the entire salary? I feel like the Amari Cooper trade was both a bit of an anomaly and also what we should expect assuming we found another anomaly (i.e. a washed up player that we had to overpay for). Cap issues aside, who are the available guys that we’re absolutely sure are better than Palmer? Are you guys ready to give up on Keon? What makes you think McBeane are ready to give up on him six games into year 2? And yes, benching him at this point in favour of a mid-season theoretical upgrade via trade is defacto giving up on him. As much as I’d agree that boundary receiver is proving to be a problem (despite ample resources being committed the last two years), I just don’t see obvious answers here, and wouldn’t be surprised in the least if McBeane maintained status quo and hoped for improved production from within.