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19 minutes ago, Call_Of_Ktulu said:
This was my only problem with this pick is his availability to be on the field and injury red flags
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2 hours ago, Mikie2times said:
He's going to have injury issues. He was hurt at Kentucky his senior year. Very small frame, said to be a fairly physical tackler. I just don't see the durability here. Time will tell.
He returned to the game after the initial shoulder injury and only missed time once the shoulder became infected. It wasn’t a typical football injury - he developed a serious infection that likely stemmed from a pain-numbing injection, which led to a multi-week recovery.
I wouldn’t describe that as simply “being hurt his senior year at Kentucky.” It was a rare and unfortunate medical situation, not a reflection of durability. Prior to that, he had only missed one game in his entire college career. It’s akin to saying Tyrod Taylor is injury prone because the Chargers team doctor punctured his lung before a game.
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18 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
But it isn't. Gunner pointed out above they have plenty of cap space. They aren't extending Hendrickson because of his age and Mike Brown's cash limit. The choice was not Hendrickson or Higgins. Even if it was you could easily make the case that the 26 year old WR takes higher priority over the 30 year old pass rusher.
But it is. You’re outlining it yourself… Mike Brown spent his cash on Tee Higgins therefore cannot spend it on Trey Hendrickson.
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33 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
Yeah and that kind of counters your original point, right? Cincy will always have these issues until another owner takes over. Extending Higgins wasn't the problem. If they hadn't extended him they would still be reluctant to rip up the deal Hendrickson signed and they'd also have a hole at WR.
Spending big money on two #1 WRs means they don't really have to spend draft picks or FA money on the position. They are good for the next 4-5 years. Locking up your superstars at premium positions is always good business. The problem with Cincy is they do a lot of bad business besides, but there's no crossover from one side to the other.
This doesn’t counter my original point. Extending Higgins is clearly limiting their ability to extend Hendrickson. When you’re paying Burrow $46M and Chase $24M, you’d expect them to manage without giving Higgins $25M. It’s a backwards allocation of resources. Premier edge rushers with 17.5 sacks in consecutive seasons don’t grow on trees - they’re much harder to find than WR with Higgins production. Nobody else in the league is built this way - no team has one-third of their cap tied up in a QB and two WRs.
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
You think that they're not going to sign their Draft Picks? When has that ever happened with any team?If the season started today, Maxwell Hairston, TJ Sanders, and Deone Walker wouldn't be suiting up for us either. What's your point?
He's refusing to participate in team activities because the Bengals are trying to include language in his rookie contract that they've never used before. He has the option to sign a waiver and practice in the meantime, but he's choosing not to.
How is that even remotely the same as what’s happening with the three players in Buffalo?
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30 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Struggling? Even with paying both WR's - they're STILL 32 Million Under the Cap this season and 69 Million Under the Cap next season?
They're not "struggling" to pay their Defensive End. They simply don't want to pay their Defensive End what he wants.
It's a shame they didn't spend the 17th Pick in the Draft on a quality Edge Rusher prospect like Shemar Stewart...
Oh wait, they did exactly that.
They can’t afford to pay him, Mike Brown can’t and won’t do it.
If the season started today, Shemar Stewart wouldn’t be suiting up… contract problems even with the rookie wage scale lol
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6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
WR is a premium position. If I had one complaint about Beane, it's that he allocates too much cap to non-premium positions. Making it difficult to make big moves at premium positions. I'm jealous that Cinci is the kind of place that realizes that if it comes down to not paying a LB so that you can pay a top end WR - you do that.
That’s not what happened - they paid two top-tier wide receivers, which means they’re struggling to afford to pay a premium defensive end. It’s terrible asset management, that is failing to upgrade their roster in any meaningful way, unless they’re playing 7-on-7.
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58 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
All their chips? The Eagles just literally won the Super Bowl paying their two WR's and QB near top of the market money. Don't tell me it can't be done.
Lol, it’s not the same thing. The Bengals are spending over 1/3 of their cap on three players.
2024 EaglesJalen Hurts: $13.6M cap hit (16th among QBs)
A.J. Brown: $12M (13th among WRs)
DeVonta Smith: $8.2M (23rd among WRs)
Total cap hit: $33.8M
Percentage of $255.4M cap: 13.2%
2025 Bengals
Joe Burrow: $46M cap hit (3rd among QBs)
Tee Higgins: $24M (6th among WRs)
Ja'Marr Chase: $23.5M (7th among WRs)
Total cap hit: $93.5M
Percentage of $279.2M cap: 33.5%
If they decide to give Hendrickson a cap hit around $30M (reportedly what he’s asking for based on the EDGE market), they’re going to be allocating 45% of their cap to four players that were already on their 9-8 team that missed the playoffs last season…
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1 minute ago, Slippery Rubber Mats said:
Sleepy Beane took a nap and his minions signed him up for Hard Knocks
This has me thinking the WGR blow up was a bit to advertise Hard Knocks.
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31 minutes ago, RoyBatty is alive said:
Oh boy.
What will the "hook" be, the struggling WRs room? Will James Cook be resigned?
Well at least it will be entertaining.
"Can the Bills finally get over the hump?"
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2 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yes. And all you have proved is the only elite guy he has drafted is Josh Allen. We are talking about putting elite talent around Josh Allen. That is what I meant. Veach technically inherited his QB (although he was the guy that idenfied him which is why he was promoted and Dorsey let go) but he has put more elite players around Mahomes than Beane has around Josh. And Howie has put more elite players around Hurts (who isn't himself elite so needs more pieces). Your own assessment supports that.
Sigh, it wasn’t the original argument. You made a blanket statement about finding elite talent in the draft.
Was it Veach who negotiated the trade up from 27 to 10 too? Sounds a lot like the theories on here that Brandon Beane was running the Bills 2017 Draft from Charlotte!
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
It's actually centered on his ability to put elite talent around Josh. That is what matters.
Is it? Here is the first post that I replied to from you:
Yep. I'm not the one arguing Beane has had more busts than others. I actually think he has had less. The issue I have with his drafting is at the other end of the scale.Here is your reply to me:
I get it. It is harder drafting where the Bills do. And that is a legit excuse 2 years in. 3 years in. 4 years in. Beane is 8 drafts in. Other than 2018 - where drafting Allen trumps all else - he hasn't even had a draft that matched McDermott's 2017 haul of White, Dawkins, Milano.
This isn't a Beane sucks or fire Beane post. But it is a legitmate criticsm at this stage.
You're moving the goal posts, this is not something I expect out of you.
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14 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
I read his first and nothing above that in all honesty. Even looking at your stats though you're assuming more volume would equal the same production. I think Groot is right below that elite tier of DE's but Verse's rookie season was better than any Rousseau's had through four years.
I'm not assuming anything - Rousseau's production has increased as his volume has increased since his rookie season (Age 21), and he's remained consistent with 80+ grades from PFF during that timeframe. Verse is already at the upper-limit of how many snaps a DE is going to play, and already wasn't as productive as Rousseau in the counting statistics like Sacks, TFL, PD, FF, Hits.
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4 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
You might not. I do.
You care that McDermott/Whaley drafted White, Dawkins and Milano the year before but you don't give a flying ***** that Dorsey drafted Mahomes, Kelce and Jones?
Gunner, that doesn't make any sense. You're grading them on a completely different scale then.
This whole discourse is centered around Beane's ability to draft elite talent compared to his peers.
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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:
Wasn't responding to your post.
Clearly, you're just ignoring it because it disproves your statement.
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Just now, GunnerBill said:
Because those guys have multiple elite players on their rosters and Beane has one.
We're talking about drafts since 2018. We agreed that Howie has drafted one elite player since 2018 (Mailata) and Veach has drafted two elite players since 2018 (McDuffie and Humphrey). I don't care that John Dorsey drafted Patrick Mahomes, Travis Kelce and Chris Jones for Brett Veach to inherit. I don't care that Howie Roseman drafted Lane Johnson 4th overall half a decade before Brandon Beane arrived in Buffalo.
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6 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
Where did I say Rousseau had no impact? As for never coming close to that kind of production.........
1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:100 more snaps and the same age as a rookie as Rousseau is in his 4th season. Rousseau generated pressure on 8.6% of his snaps (63/735) and Verse generated pressure on 9.2% of his snaps (77/834). Rousseau had never even crossed the 600 snap plateau prior to this season, it's a volume thing in the way we rotate our defensive lineman, and he still put up similar or better volume stats in his age 21, 22 and 23 seasons.
Rousseau showed exactly why the Bills should cut him a check, after earning his third-straight season surpassing an 80.0-plus overall grade. During the regular season, the 24-year-old pass-rusher generated 63 total pressures — tied for the 10th most among edge defenders.
What's more impressive, Greg Rousseau who’s been playing at this level for three years (age 22-24), or Jared Verse (age 24) who has done it once. I’ll take the proven track record every time.
You’re overhyping their guy and underselling your own.
Except for the fact that he has, and it was carefully curated for you.
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40 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't have Cook yet in the near elite. I have him, as I said above, two steps away from that status rather than Brown and Benford who are one. And while I dobn't know exactly what numbers.... yea I broadly think Beane has been good at getting guys in your 2nd and 3rd category. Again I might quibble a bit about a player or two (Bernard isn't in that territory for me).
As for other Chiefs and Eagles I'd throw into the conversation.. it probably is just Creed and Rashee for the Chiefs. The next 4 would be Sneed, Trey Smith, Nick Bolton and Karlaftis but think they are all in the very good rather than near elite bucket.
Howie has more. He still has Lane Johnson from his first spell (before the Chip Kelly having GM control disaster) who I don't think is quite elite anymore but is still near elite. Then Landon Dickerson who is near elite too. Smith I'd put in the very good category personally but can take an argument either way. And then the two DBs last year who were near elite as rooks. If they both back it up in 2025 they could both well be in elite territory.
Can you help me better understand where the disconnect is then? Whether we quibble over a guy or two... we've come to terms with the fact that he's done just as well as Veach and maybe a tick behind Roseman (I'm not counting Lane Johnson, it was 5 years before Beane sat in the GM chair)?
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1 hour ago, Doc Brown said:
Finished second in the league all time for pressures created with 77 (three behind Bosa's rookie year) by a rookie since they started counted pressures. Also, PFF has him as one of four rookies in NFL history to have a pass and run defense grade above 78.4. The other's being Garrett and two other guys named Von Miller and Joey Bosa????
Rousseau has never been close to that kind of defensive impact.
100 more snaps and the same age as a rookie as Rousseau is in his 4th season. Rousseau generated pressure on 8.6% of his snaps (63/735) and Verse generated pressure on 9.2% of his snaps (77/834). Rousseau had never even crossed the 600 snap plateau prior to this season, it's a volume thing in the way we rotate our defensive lineman, and he still put up similar or better volume stats in his age 21, 22 and 23 seasons.
Rousseau showed exactly why the Bills should cut him a check, after earning his third-straight season surpassing an 80.0-plus overall grade. During the regular season, the 24-year-old pass-rusher generated 63 total pressures — tied for the 10th most among edge defenders.
What's more impressive, Greg Rousseau who’s been playing at this level for three years (age 22-24), or Jared Verse (age 24) who has done it once. I’ll take the proven track record every time.
You’re overhyping their guy and underselling your own.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't disagree with much of your post. I do disagree with this. He has to find more elite guys to support Josh.
If you agree with much of my post, you agree with the notion that Beane has drafted roughly 4 of the top 85 (Elite + Near-Elite) players in the National Football League since 2018.
How many of the top 85 have Veach and Roseman drafted in that same timeframe?
Jordan Mailata (Elite), Jalen Hurts (Near-Elite) and Jalen Carter (Near-Elite). Who else? DeVonta Smith?
Trent McDuffie (Elite), Creed Humphrey (Elite), and Rashee Rice (Near-Elite). Who else? L'Jarious Sneed?
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Jared Verse being included cracks me up. Try doing this for 3 years prior too lol
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
Of course the hit rate at the top of round 1 is higher than anywhere else. But even just the list of the Chiefs and Eagles elite guys....
Jones was top of the 2nd round
AJ Brown was a 2nd rounder
Mailata was a 7th rounder.
I get it. It is harder drafting where the Bills do. And that is a legit excuse 2 years in. 3 years in. 4 years in. Beane is 8 drafts in. Other than 2018 - where drafting Allen trumps all else - he hasn't even had a draft that matched McDermott's 2017 haul of White, Dawkins, Milano.
This isn't a Beane sucks or fire Beane post. But it is a legitmate criticsm at this stage.
Gunner, come on. Those examples don’t really hold up for a draft-related critique.
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Chris Jones was drafted by John Dorsey, not Brett Veach.
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You reference the McDermott 2017 Draft, so might as well reference the Dorsey 2016 Draft
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FWIW Dorsey also drafted Mahomes in 2017
- That means Veach has 1 guy (McDuffie) in 8 drafts too!
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FWIW Dorsey also drafted Mahomes in 2017
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You reference the McDermott 2017 Draft, so might as well reference the Dorsey 2016 Draft
- AJ Brown was acquired via trade, and it cost a first-round pick plus a big contract.
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Mailata is a rare, once-in-a-decade kind of a seventh-round find.
- That said, credit should absolutely be given there.
Let’s be real about how rare true impact players are and try to define them:
- Elite in my opinion is roughly the top 2% of NFL players - about 34 guys total.
- Near-elite in my opinion is roughly the top 5% - around 85 players.
- Very good in my opinion covers the top 15% - about 255 players.
This is keeping in mind, teams don’t draft players evenly across these categories - there are only so many elite or near-elite talents available at any given time in the NFL. Josh Allen is clearly elite - one of those franchise-changing talents. Benford, Spencer Brown, and James Cook are already in the near-elite category. That’s huge, especially considering where they were picked - 185, 93, and 63, respectively. This is on par with - or even better than - his peers. It’s especially impressive considering he hasn’t had the luxury of picking in the top third of each round as often as elite teams like Detroit (4), Philadelphia (3), and San Francisco (3) have from 2018 to 2024. He’s hitting similar marks to teams like Baltimore and Kansas City, which speaks volumes.
If we want to have a fair conversation about Beane’s draft, we need to compare him against realistic standards, not outliers or examples that don't apply to him. Plus, the 2022 draft haul is well on its way to matching the quality of the 2017 haul, which speaks volumes about the direction Beane’s drafting has taken. And that’s not even counting guys like Khalil Shakir, Terrel Bernard, Greg Rousseau, Taron Johnson, and Ed Oliver, who all fall into the very good category. He's right up there with Howie Roseman and Brett Veach.
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Chris Jones was drafted by John Dorsey, not Brett Veach.
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18 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I think there is a long list of "good". I think "slightly above average" is harsh. Beane has drafted a lot of good players. But you are absolutely right, the list of elite guys he has drafted begins and ends with Josh Allen.
Of the current roster (excluding rookies) the two guys I think have the potential to get there if they can improve again are Spencer Brown and Christian Benford. They both had good seasons in 2023 and excellent seasons in 2024. If either of them goes up another level they are there. Whether they will remains to be seen.
Who are the elite guys across the NFL? Where do the list of elite guys typically get drafted?
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November 3, 2013 – My first game at Rich/Highmark Stadium: the 8-0 Kansas City Chiefs vs. the 3-5 Buffalo Bills. Jeff Tuel got the start for Buffalo. The Bills had a chance to take a 17-3 lead early in the second half, but Tuel threw a 99-yard pick-six to Sean Smith.
December 30, 2018 – Kyle Williams’ final game. He was my favorite player, and it was a special moment to see him take the field one last time.
January 15, 2022 – Patriots vs. Bills in “The Perfect Game.” The game itself was unforgettable, but what stands out even more was the lead-up. It was my grandmother’s 80th birthday, and I went to dinner before heading to the stadium. She actually encouraged me to leave early so I wouldn’t miss the game. As I was walking up to the gates, the Bills scored their first touchdown - hearing that roar from outside was absolutely surreal.
September 19, 2022 – Bills vs. Titans, Monday Night Football home opener. What made this one special wasn’t just the primetime atmosphere - it was my first game with my soon-to-be wife. We met out of state and instantly bonded over our love for the Bills.
December 1, 2024 – Bills vs. 49ers. I watched Josh Allen throw a touchdown pass to himself - right in my corner of the end zone. It’s the most unbelievable play I’ve ever seen in person.
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Brandon Beane "might be the most sensitive GM in the entire NFL"?
in The Stadium Wall
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There’s something oddly comical about message board posters - many of whom get worked up over perceived "personal attacks" from strangers online - relentlessly criticizing someone who’s under constant scrutiny for simply showing a bit of emotion.