RocCityRoller
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LOL he's not even in your graphic.....
McDermott = Marty Schottenheimer..
the stage exit is where???
I'm sure Simon will tell me.
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6 hours ago, skibum said:
I'm thinking either Les or Primus.
^ I see what you did there....
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On 6/4/2024 at 9:07 PM, LeGOATski said:
When you enter the "Xavier Worthy" thread...
Just joined the convo.... really odd.
Wish no rookie ill will. It's bad juju.
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Two receivers and I'll move on:
Steve Tasker at WR?
Reed/ Thomas and Metzelaars were the 3 continuous receiving threats during that era. WR2 and WR3 were a rolling door. T Johnson/ Chris Burkett/ Lofton/ Beebe/ Brooks/ Early. All along Tasker was on the roster and almost never asked to play WR. Late in his career he was asked to play more WR and did pretty well. What would a young Tasker in the slot have looked like?
Trumaine Johnson:
1st team All American at Grambling.
Was a beast in the USFL for 2 seasons.
1983 - 81 REC/ 1327 yards (led USFL)/ 10 TD
1984 - 90 REC/ 1258 yards 13 TD
USFL All Star both seasons
'85-'86 Got a chance with the Chargers as a backup, didn't do much
'87-'88 Signed on with Bills. Started 10 of 28 games. Was coming on nicely in 1988 with 37 REC/ 514 yards/ 13.9 AVG after taking Chris Burkett's starting role.
Then he abruptly retired.
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1 hour ago, Mark Vader said:
Frank Reich
Kenneth Davis
Don Beebe
Monty Brown
John Hagy
Butch Rolle
Tony Cline
Al Edwards
Scott Radecic
Chris Poole
Mark Pike
Sammy Morris
Davis could have started for about a dozen teams in that era. A real luxury backup to Thurman Thomas.
Hagy was a nasty (in a good way) S. Laid lumber when given the chance. IIRC Bills had Leonard Smith who was slightly better in that role at that time, and Kelso who was a very good FS.
Butch Rolle was a mystery to me! Always the TE2 in goal line situations. From 1987-1990 he had 8 catches for 16 yards and all 8 catches were TDs!
Mark Pike/ Mike Lodish - backups and ST. I wonder still what would have happened if the Bills would have played 4-3 more often against smash mouth teams. Both would have probably had a lot more play time under the current regime.
Scott Radecic - great pull and one I was going to name. The Bills had an embarrassment of riches at LB in that era. Bentley/ Bailey and Radecic were all backups to some degree. Radecic was always making plays, but hard to bench Conlan/ Bently etc. Was a starter for KC for a few years before joining the Bills.
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S/DB Don Wilson
Started 16 of 32 games on the dreadful 1984/ 1985 Bills teams.
Was also a good PR/KR and had a knack for making plays at DB.
Went to the CFL in 1986 and had a stellar 12 year career.
Inducted into the CFL HOF in 2021.
https://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/W/WilsDo20.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don_Wilson_(gridiron_football)
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Ryan Bates OG/C
He filled in as a starter but don't recall him being the #1 guy at any position. He started at the end of 2021, helped stabilize the OL and was the starting LG for the perfect offensive game vs the Pats and the 30 seconds nail biter vs KC. He also was a solid C when asked to fill in for Morse on other occasions.
He always seemed to be the forgotten man in the current regime.
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it doesn't matter what happened on the off-season.
Draft OL-WR in rounds 1-2
Draft LB and S rounds 3-4
BPA after
A big physical MF at DT is also welcome.
nothing has changed
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Yes, get something for him
he will not be re-signed here.
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I do want Buffalo to get a few big heavy MFers to play DT and take hits off of the two LBs.
Sam Adams and Pat Williams style.
4 minutes ago, NewEra said:Beane may not think so….but I think he has too much false hope in Brown. RT was Allens biggest enemy last year
From your mouth to God's ears. Bergeron Rd2 would be a steal.
And get a big fat MFer at DT2...in round 3-4.
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8 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
min not going to sit here and start listing names. I’m just going to say they need to do better around Allen doing whatever it takes.
as to the last paragraph I don’t think they make the team better. They make it the same. The same isn’t good enough. Like maybe the guard they got is slightly better. Maybe they did slightly better than McKenzie as well. We aren’t slightly better away from a SB like the last two years anymore though.
however I will add that I think obj or Hopkins would instantly be the second best receiver on the team even past their prime. I wouldnt break bank for em but they would still be big upgrades. A big upgrade is what the team needs. Not just lateral wash moves.
Last year I wanted Bradberry and Reddick so badly it hurt.
Bradberry was the obvious CB to fill in for White, and we knew the HC and GM, nope.
Reddick was a terrific pass rusher looking for a home, young and cheap, from Carolina, nope.
We got washed up Von Miller instead.
I hoped for the best. I knew what to expect.
Both of the the guys I wanted played in the Super Bowl for Philly instead.
They could be under contract today if we went younger and cheaper than Von Miller.
The Carolina and NYG connections both failed, when Buffalo needed both of them.
I wanted McAffery when he became available
Clearly ours, 670k and a Carolina connection. Nope. We got Hines.
At least Hines gave us some cheers on ST. Really amazing ones TBH.
Would have rather had McCaffery though.
TSW was convinced he was washed up and 'too expensive', despite how many of us showed he literally cost 670k for 2022
and how he could be extended or traded for picks this draft.
He ended up having a pretty good season with SF, despite 'Mr Irrelevant' playing QB, and signed a team friendly deal...
Could have been in Buffalo with Allen, but nope, despite the Carolina connection.
Beane 'knew better' in all those situations where he had contacts....
2022 presented Reddick/ McCaffrey and Bradberry to Buffalo with connections and they failed on all of them.
I get it. We fu&k up every opportunity. After that I started to question Beane a lot.
But this offseason is real dog crap.
The time for Mack/ Jones/ Von Miller was 2-3 years ago on Allen's rookie contract in 2019-2021.
At least Beane is not making the OBJ/ D Hop and Zeke deals today, a year or two too late to matter or try to save face.
All of these above guys are done.
I wanted Creed Humphrey instead of Basham.
Imagine this team with Humphrey/ Bradberry/ Reddick and McAffrey under contract....
That is my team. But it is what it is. Do better going forward. I've moved on.
I wanted one of the RT and Okerkerke (LB Indy) this offseason if Edmunds moved on.
I got neither again.
Poyer will be a stud S.
I do think a few of the offensive guys will exceed their minimal expectations this season.
McGovern/ Sherfield/ Harris will provide some pop and size, and play well.
Nope they aren't 'studs', but provide upside in a very weak offensive FA period.
So you have no names, no magic hat of players in this FA period.
Neither do I. That is because this FA period stinks, and there are few to none.
I'm happy Buffalo can't be dumb with money this offseason.
Other than Poyer all of the FA money this year has gone to offense.
OG/ WR/ WR/ RB
Who should Beane have signed???
Should he just make up FA to sign here like in Madden?!?
Last year was the chance to build a juggernaut and he failed.
I agree the Harty signing was idiotic. Another really dumb move.
The other WR should have gotten 2-3 years IMO.
I think he could surprise as a WR3/ WR4.
As for WR, let me repeat it again:
OBJ and D-Hop are not improvements over Davis in 2023. PERIOD.
This absurd dislike of Davis really is a TSW specialty, and I'll continue to fight it.
Yards and TDs win games. Look at the facts.
If your argument is 'those guys were injured' that may not be a strong argument in your favor.
Let's look at these 'studs' Beane 'refuses to get':
OBJ:
2021: 82 TARGETS/ 44 RECEPTIONS/ 53.7%/ 537 YARDS/ 12.2 YPC/ 5 TDS
2022; 0 TARGETS/ 0 RECEPTIONS / 0% / 0 YARDS / 0 TDS
OBJ has not had an above 55.6% catch rate since 2018, but people want to talk crap about Davis' sub 60% rate.
The last season OBJ was productive was 2018. 2018 was pre-pandemic my man.
Dude is washed. You will be lucky to get Emmanual Sanders 2021 season from him.
(PS Manny Sanders had a 58.3% reception rate in 2021)
D Hopkins:
Another 2018 PRO-BOWL TSW REGULAR:
2021: 64 TARGETS/ 42 RECEPTIONS/ 65.6%/ 572 YARDS/ 13.6 YPC/ 8 TDS
2022: 96 TARGETS/ 64 RECEPTIONS/ 66.7%/ 717 YARDS/ 11.2 YPC/ 3 TDS
D-Hop became 2020 Cole Beasley in 2022.
This is your solution to the #2???
At least J Brown and E Sanders could stretch a field for half a season each before collapsing.
D Hop can't get off the couch to change the channel if the batteries go bad.... it's laughable.
Fun Fact, D Hop was a below 60% catch WR his first 5 seasons.
He was considered a stretch WR to Andre Johnson's possession skills.
Sound familiar? It should. How many of you knew that?
D Hop was Gabe Davis before Gabe Davis.
Now many of you want old expensive Gabe Davis to replace young cheap Gabe Davis......
D-Hop is a vaxx refusal and season away from being 2021 Cole Beasley.
D-Hop is washed too.
Gabe Davis:
A 4th round pick in his second and third season, only one starting....
2021: 63 TARGETS/ 35 RECEPTIONS/ 55.6%/ 549 YARDS/ 15.7 YPC/ 6 TDS
2022: 93 TARGETS/ 48 RECEPTIONS/ 51.6%/ 846 YARDS/ 17.4 YPC/ 7 TDS
LAST TWO YEARS:
OBJ: 44 REC/ 82 TARG / 53.7%/ 537 YARDS/ 12.2 AVG/ 5 TDs - wants $14 million
DHOP: 106 REC/ 160 TARG/ 66.2%/ 1289 YARDS/ 12.1 AVG/ 11 TD - 2nd round pick?
DAVIS: 83 REC/ 156 TARG/ 53.2%/ 1395 YARDS/ 16.8 AVG/ 13 TD - on a rookie contract...
Really? OBJ is a bum. D Hop is Cole Beasley at his best now.
Years 1-3:
DHOP: 239 REC/ 410 TAR/ 58.3%/ 3533 YARDS/ 14.8/ 19 TDS
DAVIS: 118 REC/ 218 TAR/ 54.1%/ 1984 YARDS/ 16.8/ 20 TDS
Its just a matter of volume yrs 1-3. Very similar catch %, Davis has YPC and TDS over DHOP despite being targeted only 53% of the time.
D HOP has catches and yards on 2x the targets.
This does NOT include playoffs....
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2 hours ago, Big Turk said:
4 games played against the Bills...3 games over 100 yards and 5 TDs. That's pretty good. Averages 6.4 YPC against us.
Exactly.
People here act like Harris is some bum. He roasted this defense over and over again.
His name isn't Zeke/ Henry/ Fournette.
Same dude at this point in their careers and younger and cheaper.
3 minutes ago, HappyDays said:Being ranked 7th behind a has-been like Kareem Hunt isn't impressive. The 7th best RB available in any given free agency period is almost always a JAG. Even taking that author's opinion as accurate that doesn't tell me anything about Harris's value.
And Spotrac's market valuations have notoriously been all over the place. Their market value is calculated from some algorithm they use, presumably based on stats and the player's age. They had Edmunds' market value as $11 million AAV before the offseason. Anyone who pays attention to the market could have told you a young athletic specimen coming off his best year, and entering a weak free agent class, was bound to earn at least $15 million AAV from a team with cap space to burn.
Similarly, a downhill only RB coming off his second injury ridden season is not getting anything close to the $7.1 million AAV Spotrac's algorithm laughably predicted for him.
What did Buffalo pay for Harris?
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1 minute ago, Scott7975 said:
disagree. We have a bunch of ok role players but not enough impact to elite players.Simple question. No right or wrong answers.
What 'impact to elite players' did you expect Buffalo to sign this offseason in FA?
Even with big money this FA period was terrible, and Buffalo was above the cap before it started.
The LB Okerkere and a few RT that went for absurd money were the best FA available IMO.
Are those the impact to elite players you wanted?
Just about everyone and their mother knew Buffalo is in a 'reshuffle' period.
They F*&ked up the 5 year window, even I have moved on. It is what it is.
And don't tell me OBJ/ D Hop/ Zeke etc.... broken down/ expensive and past their prime.
That is like shopping for prime beef in the bargain bin.
Some of you on TSW want to rebuild the 2018 Pro Bowl team.
It's 2023, a lot of those guys are washed. Hence no market in a weak FA/trade market.
This FA is exactly what was needed and expected.
Who exactly did Buffalo miss on this offseason?
If we want to talk offseasons past, I'll give you an earful.
Reign it in/ reshuffle/ add where you can.
Poyer/ McGovern/ Harris/ Sherfield/ Allen aren't sexy, but they all make the team better.
(I think Harty was a garbage signing)
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2 minutes ago, Success said:
I love that part. I'd encourage checking the Pats boards - they're kind of melting down about it.
A few Dolphins players hate that Sherfield came to Buffalo too.
Open minded about both TBH.
I don't expect fireworks from either, but I think they will help this team be more physical and be able to produce.
Shrefield is 6'1 220
Harris is 5'11" 215
McKenzie was 5'8" 175
Singletary was 5'7 205
It adds up over a season. Main reason i didn't like the other WR signing.
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18 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Now let's focus on RT/ WR2. This Harris signing will work nicely.
Agree on RT
Don't get me kicked off TSW for a while for the argument about WR2.....
You know this is where our beautiful relationship struggles. 🤣
I make so many people here angry arguing about that.
Let's talk nice 😄
Even if I appreciate Gabe for who is is, even I know he is not a WR1.
Bergeron or bust R1-R2.
RT/ OG/ WR/ LB/ S are all ok with me.
You really do try to stir up trouble!
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18 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:
You quoted as I deleted it, as I read a further post which suggested the reference might be referring to positions rather than single players. Get a legit number two WR through the door and I’ll be much happier. The RB room is decent providing Harris stays fit.So 32 teams, 2 WR each = top 64. Even an American can do that math.
If our WR2 was worse than Top 64 I would agree with you.
But he's not. Far from it.
You do know our #2 was top 64 in yards, TDs, 1st downs per catch and yards per catch????
He was in fact top 40 in all of those categories.
Top 32-40 in most of them. Even top 15 in many.
The people TSW wanted to replace him did worse across the board last year, and I have proven it over and over again.
The issues last year were 1) poor OL, 2) rookie OC, 3) no WR3, 4) no run game
Fix those four things then look at WR2.
Beane's big splash was OG McGovern (#1 issue), Harty and Sherfield (#3 issue), Harris (#4 issue)
#2 comes with time an fixing the other issues.
Yours has not been addressed yet.. I wonder why.
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9 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Thank you.
Anyone thinking Saingletary = Harris needs their heads examined.
Even before a Harris hit.
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10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:
I think that's why he's here. I think McD has a lot of Neanderthal in him. He wants to be able to win a game here or there by running it down the throat of the opposition. This signing might allow him to accomplish that.
Beane is having himself a day. I really, really like the Sherfield move. A ST contributor who also is an offensive contributor. And a guy who could be a handful when we played him last year. I wanted a Lazard type to spell Davis. Looks like they may have found a smaller but similarly tough version on the cheap. Now with Harris maybe we've found the grinder at RB that Zack Moss never could be.
Oh I do too. 100% agree with you.
Sorry my sarcasm was not clear, I love this pick up and Sherfield.
Neither were FA studs, but both are true NFL players that can improve the team.
Sherfield. Best blocking WR we have had since Woods, and can play outside if needed, also plays ST.
Replaces Kumerow and Mckenzie in one shot.
Harty = McKenzie/ Stevenson/ Jones
2 for 1 all offseason. I love it.
McGovern is an improvement at OG. (Just hope he plays RG)
We agree 100%. Solid Week 2 signings. Both improve the team IMO.
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1 minute ago, EasternOHBillsFan said:
2020: 10/16 games played
2021: 15/17 games played
2022: 11/17 games played, 9/11 started
It's all grounded in reality... but he can only be as deadly as our offensive line and Dorsey allow him to be, which will be a lot more concerning to me!
Given how little RBs are asked to run between the tackles here, I think he is fine.
It's not like Bill Belichick to mess with the injury report based on matchups......
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Thanks for the replies folks.
Verified my initial thought, Jeudy is not worth a 1st, even #27.
I'm on the fence, but if Denver says #27 and or more.... no deal for me either.
I appreciate the input and feedback.
It's a crap WR market, but TSW realized it too.
Hopeful for Sherfield at WR3 and Harty at WR4.
oh yeah, and the draft....
12 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:I think just about everyone understands all of that. Your exact quote was “None of his salary is guaranteed.” That was obviously incorrect.
Let's simplify things.
if Buffalo trades Oliver, they are not on the hook for anything, and gain a pick/ picks.
Period.
My original point withstanding. Arguing semantics with people online is really exhausting.
Get to the point. You are better than this.
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22 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Elliot and a comp pick > Harris
If this is the RB room, they are fine. That’s EXACTLY what I said. If they took McBride or Bigsby in the middle of the draft, they would have been fine. I don’t see this is anything more than raising the floor (which is okay).
I agree, raises the floor and compliments the existing backs....
No problems with the signing.
I also like the Sherfield signing today.
Excellent options in week two of FA
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1 minute ago, HappyDays said:
It continues a trend of the scouting staff and Beane finding good role players for low salaries. It's definitely been a strength of this regime. I wish they did a better job finding the elite talent that puts you over the hump for a championship. But no one can question their ability to find solid role players and fill holes before the draft.
100% the draft is another story... outside if JA = weak.
Heck McDermott landed Dawkins/ White and Milano in one draft.
2-3 drafts like that = Super Bowl
May want to let coach in the room on draft day.....
but what do we know.....
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Just now, SCBills said:
Im still going to hope we make a final legit addition to the WR room and some OL help, BUT….McGovern >>> Saffold
Harty >>> McKenzie
Sherfield >>> Kumerow
Harris >>> Singletary
Retained Poyer
So far we’ve lost Edmunds but have gotten better at LG, WR, WR and RB.
Beane is doing a good job and these signings all make sense … no random players who we have to wonder how they fit or what they do well … Speed & Power. So far, so good…
Good way to look at it.
McGovern is a > vs any OG
Sherfield > McKenzie/Crowder/Kumerow
Harty = McKenzie
Harris > Singletary
doesn't mean not drafting those spots again
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49ers first round draft pick Ricky Pearsall shot in San Francisco
in The Stadium Wall
Posted
It was a miracle shot. Straight through, no organs damaged. Pearsall is already released from hospital if the CBS headline below is to be believed.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/49ers-rookie-ricky-pearsall-released-from-hospital-after-being-shot-in-robbery-attempt/