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11 hours ago, Big Blitz said:
He was talking about QBs correct? Specifically his kid….but was having a discussion about Caleb.
I don't know if Deion is on the record about it or not, but I remember seeing a lot of headlines that he was also saying Travis Hunter will only play for a small handful of teams. Deion reportedly plans on trying to make sure most teams avoid taking Hunter and Shadeur so that they land on the teams he wants.
Could easily just be clickbait though, feels like Deion has turned into a very polarizing figure in college football.
6 minutes ago, Billy Claude said:I am sure you are right that he can contribute in that manner. What you described seems to be a low floor to me for a draft pick at the top of the second round.
It would be very disappointing if Coleman ultimately is just a run blocking specialist/jump ball guy, but I think that still represents a higher floor than guys like Worthy, Legette, Mitchell, Corley, etc. just amongst some of the guys that were taken in the same ballpark (maybe a stretch for Corley but he was the first pick of the 3rd round).
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14 hours ago, 3rdand12 said:
Did you read Colemans drop rate ?
Everything needs context , but not ideal that for sure
His drop rate was 3.8% this past year and 4.2% for his career. That is lower than the career drop % for literally all 10 of our top 10 guys in targets last season.
- Diggs: 5.5%
- Kincaid: 4.7%
- Gabe: 9.8%
- Cook: 11.0%
- Shakir: 4.5%
- Knox: 12.3%
- Murray: 5.6%
- Sherfield: 7.1%
- Harty: 4.3%
- Ty Johnson: 12.1%
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14 hours ago, Billy Claude said:
I certainly hope that Allen was not involved in this pick. That is not his job. If the Bills picked Coleman because Allen wanted him then Beane definitely needs to be fired. My guess is that the involvement by Allen was prefunctory, sort of like King Charles officially has to approve all legislation before it becomes law.
Coleman fits the high ceiling low floor profile of most early round Beane picks. Except for the 40 time, he is a freakish athlete whose college stats are not super impressive. Examples include Allen, Edmunds, Brown, Knox, Elam, and Rousseau. They are betting on that can teach him to separate in the pros. Hopefully they are right.
I guess this depends on the definition of low-floor. There's plenty of WRs that come out every year that have nothing to fall back on if they struggle to get open in the NFL and end up washing out of the league very quickly. In the very least, Coleman's run blocking and red zone ability should keep him on NFL rosters for a long time. The key with Coleman IMO is that he's a raw prospect but because of the run blocking and contested catch ability, he should be able to make an impact right away while he hopefully learns the finer points of the game and continues to ascend.
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I'm guessing it's already been posted somewhere in these million pages but I'm too lazy to go back and check. If you haven't seen it already, Cover1 did a great breakdown of the Coleman pick. It is 15 minutes long, but does a really nice job of breaking down what they think Beane sees in him and some of their concerns (because it's pretty clear Keon is not who Cover1 wanted lol).
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Sounds like Ken Evans Jr. from Jackson State may be our new target in the portal after Leffew chose Georgia over us. Evans won Player of the Year in the SWAC (considered the worst conference in Division 1). Interesting target though...while Leffew looked like more of a SG than a PG to me, he did at least play PG this season and you could see flashes of him making good reads off the dribble and stuff. Evans is purely a SG and probably closer to a SF than a PG. It feels like we may be angling towards starting JJ Starling as our PG at this point, which is a bit questionable. The other option would be to start our new transfer PG, Jaquan Carlos, and bring Evans off the bench (assuming he even commits), but we'll see I guess. Carlos probably isn't good enough to be an ideal starter either but he is at least a pure PG type that will play exactly the way I think Autry wants us to.
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14 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
I can't imagine Copeland going to McNeese State LOL
Unless there really is something wrong with his character... But he seems so smiley and friendly at Syracuse
He's got to be a high major player.. he's a 6'6 guard who is super crafty
It is Will Wade coaching there. He's getting some pretty good players.
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On 4/24/2024 at 2:26 PM, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Landed the Hofstra guard, Carlos. Seems like a good get.
a buddy of mine said he heard some insider rumor that Leffew will pick us too. Not sure how accurate that is, but thought I would mention it.
Leffew to his hometown school: Georgia.
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12 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Sure. I am not saying for a minute Keon can't play. Of course he can. But I think someone else said it above he is a complimentary piece rather than a feature piece. To me if we had drafted him a year ago when we had a bona fide 1 and we were asking him to be an upgrade on Gabe I'd be very happy with that. That is what I think he is. I just worry we don't have a #1.
As a fan of the Coleman pick, this is absolutely true right now. Field Yates saying he thinks Coleman can be our #1 WR immediately is nuts to me.
He'll probably never be a great separator, but I think he can be good enough in time to be a good NFL player. We're getting Coleman so early in his developmental curve; he just began focusing solely on football two years ago and he's already strong enough that when he gets the leverage he needs, he can separate pretty easily. It's all about coaching him up to teach him how to create that leverage on a more consistent basis. The unfortunate thing is he struggled dealing with press coverage in college and it sounds like we intend to stick him out there as the X WR so he's going to need a lot of work on that very quickly.
But when it comes to gambling on relatively raw prospects, this is the exact type of archetype I like to go for. 2nd youngest WR in the class, one of the youngest breakout ages, early in this developmental curve, lots of physical tools to work with, high motor, and a few ways he can contribute immediately that nobody else on the roster can really do.
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21 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Im sure Keon will put up numbers. He has Josh Allen and Josh Allen has barely anyone else to throw to.
But man... Coleman, Samuel and Shakir. If our aim at the start of the offseason was to upgrade the receiving corps we have gone a funny way about it.
It's um...a different group of receivers that's for sure lol.
Definitely hoping we add more today. I don't think it's necessarily a bad thing that we seem to be going with a more balanced target distribution. We'll see if one of these guys turns into a dependable go-to option when things get tight though. I like all of our receiving targets (save Knox who I have never liked) but aside from Kincaid, I don't think any of them are likely to really break out this year. They all have potential though.
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Okay our Coleman vs. Legette debates feel a lot more real now @GunnerBill
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11 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:
Should point out because I didn't catch it originally either...this is Page 2 of the most athletic so he's like #11 or whatever.
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1 minute ago, MasterStrategist said:
No way this is true. Beane takes Legette at 32 if he wanted him badly.
On top of that, by his own words last night he alluded to asking teams who they're taking when they're swapping within a pick or two. Plus Dan Morgan is a close friend, they likely knew exactly what Car was planning.
Then to add on, there's been a TON of Legette to Car at 33 talk. Legette himself said Car would take him at 33, if still there.
I'm glad your contact was accurate on the other info, but Beane isn't letting his target go to move back 1 pick
Yeah, if Beane was actually surprised by Carolina taking Legette, that's some serious incompetence. Everyone knew.
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11 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:
Huh. I'm seeing a RAS of 8.19, with points off for speed.
Yeah, the RAS numbers change pretty frequently throughout the draft process as pro days and stuff roll in. Looks like he finished at 8.18 but I think he was in the 9's after the Combine.
https://ras.football/ras-information/?PlayerID=25172&ovl=Florida+State
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Hopefully my comparison of Keon as WR Josh Allen is apt lol. I am admittedly a bit out on a limb with my support of Coleman much like I was Allen.
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It's between Franklin, Coleman, and DeJean for me. I voted for Coleman but I'm not really sure to be honest.
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3 hours ago, ngbills said:
Hard to argue the Bills are not well behind all the teams below in TE/WR core.
Bills: Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir
BAL: Andrews, Flowers, Bateman
CIN: Gesicki, Chase, Higgins
CLE: Njoku, Cooper, Moore, Jeudy
HOU: Schultz, Diggs, Dell, Collins/Brown/Woods
JAC: Engram, Kirk, Davis, Thomas Jr.
KC: Kelce, Rice, Brown, Worthy
MIA: Smith, Hill, Waddle
NYJ: Conklin, Wilson, Williams
I feel like Baltimore might straight up be worse, but if they're better, it's not by much. Don't think Jacksonville is anything to write home about either. We'll see how things look by the time the dust settles.
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7 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Interesting. I see it differently on Franklin (and I'm not as high on him as you) in that I think he might be their type. There is some similarity for me in him and Jordan Addison last years, slight frame, speed, separates even vs man coverage. There are some differences too - Addison's hands are better and he is a much better and more developed route runner, but Franklin can be used more vertically. But they loved Addison and I was told in no uncertain terms if he made it to them he was the pick. I dunno. It's all tea leaf reading at this stage but I think Franklin is their guy. They have done a lot of work with him, met him three times.
I like your idea of trading down once more nor more than 3 or max 4 spots UNLESS their guy is AD Mitchell but I don't think it is. I think if the Bills were into Mitchell, DeJean or McKinstry they'd have pulled the trigger on them last night. All 3 are guys who could be the consensus have gone in the late first area. If any of those are your guy you don't mess about you turn the card in. Which is another thing that makes me think Franklin.... if he is who you have your eye on the risk in the two trades last night was negligible.
Only 7 more hours to wait
Yep, I think that all makes sense. You know I'd be very happy if Franklin is the choice haha. Hope I was on the right side of the Legette debate, but I feel a little relieved knowing we're almost certainly taking a WR today and two of the WRs that worried me the most are now off the board for us.
1 minute ago, BullBuchanan said:Kinda wild considering they spent a premium pick on Mayer just last season.
Was my first thought when it happened too. I wish we knew what their QB board looked like. Kinda wonder if the only one they had real interest in was Daniels and once Washington made it clear he was their guy, they just decided to try to add weapons any way they could.
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1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:
My concern is good but not great. Someone said it yesterday, but the issue with the Bills is they have one elite player and a lot of good. The quality is not there outside of Josh.
That's fair, but I think the WRs remaining today have as much if not more upside than the guys that we passed on last night. Just have to hope we get the right one.
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5 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:
Do people honestly think the Bills can draft a WR#1 now? At best, from 33? Franklin, McConkey, Mitchell? If they bring any of those in, they'll be #4 at best, behind Samuel, Hollins and Shakir.
If they want a number one from 2024, they need to trade for it. Not draft.
I think all of those guys could supplant Hollins pretty quickly in the pecking order. None of them are going to be #1 WRs as rookies though. If we don't trade for a veteran #1 WR (which I don't really expect but it's not impossible), it seems like we're planning to go with a more balanced attack with Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir, and the rookie all being good options.
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I think if it were me, I'd be willing to move down to 35 or 36 and see which WRs come off the board again, but I'm guessing Beane feels like his mission to get some better Day 2/3 picks was accomplished and doesn't want to wait any longer to get their guy. Whether that's a WR or not is anyone's guess. My gut feeling right now would be that we take a WR at #33 (assuming we don't trade the pick for a veteran).
Hoping for Franklin or Coleman and my gut feeling is it's Coleman.
My sort of read of the remaining WRs:
- Mitchell is the best available in most people's eyes. Not for me personally, and I question if Beane views him as a fit for us, but in terms of the X WR skillset, Mitchell has the potential to be everything you're looking for.
- Coleman, Polk, McConkey, and Roman Wilson feel like Bills-types. I don't think Wilson really fits what we need and I question it a bit with McConkey as well, but he is a little more positionally flexible.
- I like Franklin a lot. Struggles with getting jammed at the line of scrimmage, so not sure how well he'll fit as an X, but he can really turn DBs around with his releases when they don't get their hands on him. He could be an X and could be a great WR IMO. He's sort of the analytics darling though and that's not usually what Beane chases.
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14 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
I didn’t realize that Joe Brady recruited him out of high school. That would make me feel a little betterHe did, but other WRs LSU offered that same year:
- Xavier Worthy
- Marvin Harrison Jr.
- Brian Thomas Jr. (committed)
- Malik Nabers (committed)
- AD Mitchell
- as well as like 20 other WRs that didn't come to LSU.
I know Joe Brady was the lead recruiter for Franklin, which isn't necessarily the case for all of these guys, but as the OC, it wouldn't be surprising if he was the lead for all of them and we obviously did not make a move for Harrison, Thomas, or Nabers, and opted to let KC have Worthy.
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24 minutes ago, Roundybout said:
Becuase he’s allergic to going over the middle so he has to rely on low-percentage throws to the outside and deepEdit: 45% of his targets and 46% of his catches the last two years were over the middle.
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27 minutes ago, Motorin' said:
My biggest concern about Coleman is his 57% catch percentage. Not that worried about the long speed, as his first 10 yards is quicker than the likes of Jefferson and Chase...
But I want a wr that can catch the ball! That's why I'm kind of thinking Beane has Franklin in his sights... I think Franklin can add upper body strength and weight and get to 190lbs...
I've also been higher on AD Mitchell than you have all along, but have some recent concerns about his attitude and the way he doesn't always take care of the diabetes. (Of course that could be a smoke screen).
Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered".
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22 minutes ago, Mango said:
Yeah. I read Franklin, I responded Franklin, But my brain short circuited and kept saying Coleman
As someone that has Coleman in the conversation with Franklin for the #5 WR in the draft IMO, Coleman has a lot of red flags. Whoever takes him is gambling on him being a Josh Allen-esq outlier. I am bullish though. Very young, very inexperienced (split time between football and basketball up until the past two years), has the size, elusiveness, and hand-eye coordination that can't be taught and seemingly has the motor to make the most of his gifts.
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Syracuse Basketball 2023-24
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I have now heard from multiple people that we've reached out to Kadary Richmond and he is at least open to returning to Syracuse. I'll believe it when I see it, but if we can somehow pull that off, that is a total game changer for next season.