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1 minute ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I’m a Cook fan. I had the pleasure of watching him for 4 years at UGA.
However, I am fully on board with the Beane/Brady plan to create good RB group to help preserve Josh and Cook. I would not be surprised if this past season would be the pinnacle of Cook’s scrimmage yards for his career. Not because he isn’t capable of giving us even better numbers, but because Brady and the Bills will want to spread the ball around so that no WR, TE or RB is the whole offense (like Diggs was). They want interchangeable parts and this is good for the team, and probably for the long-term health of the players.
I’m going to use UGA as a illustration of the plan. At UGA, Smart utilizes a 3/4 RB committee and a 4/5 WR committee. I think the last UGA receiver over 1000 yard was AJ Greene. It’s one of the reasons guys like Burton and Mitchell left. However, UGA’s depth allows the team to continue to excel despite injuries. The plan seems to be working, as they have only lost 2 games over the last 3 years and won 2 championships, yet have not had a 1000 rusher or receiver (although Bowers got close twice).
I think this is the direction Beane is heading. The RB room now features Cook, Davis and Johnson. Cook is the starter, but Davis and Johnson will see plenty of action. This will limit Cook’s numbers, but should extend his career. If I had to guess, Cook will look more and more like Kamara as the years progress and he should earn a 2nd deal, but it won’t be a blockbuster. I’m more curious if Davis gets a 2nd deal.
I also think this is something Beane has always wanted. He drafted Singletary and then Moss the next year, but it didn’t work out. Now he has Cook and Davis. I like this tandem better.Thanks for the history and your thoughts. I'm a big Cook fan. I think a lot of fans are undervaluing him. He did need to catch a couple of those TD passes.
That's the worse I can say about him.
The potential of the RB room is high. Hope it pans out that way.
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Tough deal for Tommy Doyle. I guess this gives Tylan Grable's chances a bit of a boost.
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2 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
I agree with the first part and not the second. This discussion is way premature. Injuries, cap, production, other positions of need, talent in the draft etc… will all play into the decision 2 years from now.
However all the arguments against Cook so far aren’t supported by facts.
The only real argument against Cook, assuming he stays at or near this level of production, is that RBs have a short shelf life. That said, RBs that are as good as Cook catching out of the backfield tend to last longer.
As to the second part, Davis and Cook are the same age. Davis also took significantly more pounding in college as he was the featured back most of his college career. Cook played in a 3 back platoon at GA, was only the featured back one season. In fact, Davis had 746 carries in college while Cook has had only 556 between college and the pros (230 at UGA & 326 in Buffalo). If anyone has more tread left, it’s Cook.
I accept you points about Cook and his tread wear. I guess if Cook leads the league in RB production for the next 2 years he would
cost way more than Beane would be willing to pay. This was my thinking. My earlier posts were in favor of a Cook 2nd contract, if the
money was right.
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9 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
The Bills usually like to reserve about 3 million for in season emergencies and 4 million is reserved for the PS. So that's functionally leaving the Bills with about 1.3 million in actual space. Now the Bills if some "too good to be true" trade were to come up the Bills do have some options to open up more cap space than the 1.3 million they currently will have to actually "play with". The Bills can convert the rest of Josh's salary to a bonus and open up 6 million more in space. I think they can also gain 1-2 million by doing the same with Ed Oliver. So if there's a will there's a way but I think the Bills likely will just wait until the trade deadline to make any moves where what little money they have and can open up will go farther.
Yep, Beane is always looking. If something looks too good to pass on, he can make the moves you mentioned.
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10 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
I agree with pretty much everything you say except perhaps the last line. I think that remains to be seen. With Beane up against the cap as it is, I doubt if Beane will want to spend money at that position.
And here's the Catch-22. If Cook has a great year, Beane will want to re-sign him. But if Cook has a great year, Beane won't be able to afford to re-sign him. If Cook has a bad year, then it's an easy to decision to roll with Ray Davis on a cheap rookie contract.
Beane doesn't need to make a decision about Cook until March of 2026. Nobody knows what the Bills cap situation will be then.
All this speculation about Cook and Davis is so premature.
Bills fans should enjoy having Cook as RB for the next 2 years and look forward to what Davis can bring to the team.
In a perfect world (IMO) Cook tears it up the next 2 seasons and leads the league. Davis plays great too. Cook moves on with a
huge contract and Beane gets a 3rd round comp. Davis takes over and then 3rd rounder continues the process.
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4 hours ago, Doc said:
With Martin‘s 2024 salary being guaranteed for this year, no way they’re bringing Haack back.Martin has a cap hit of $2.05M cap hit with only $800k in dead money.
If they let Martin go for Browning, they save $400k in cap.
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11 hours ago, MasterStrategist said:
All this talk about Hamlin is crazy....he showed to be a decent backup safety, safety4 type, 2 seasons ago. LY is a wash, he's already showing up early in camp making plays and faster than LY. He'll have a spot on the 53.
Back to the $$$s, it's pretty easy to envision us holding onto what's left after draft class/practice squad/contingencies. Either it gets rolled to next year, or we see who is cut/potential trade mid year.
No need to rush spending that $$$ now, we might have the best depth that we've had in a while (minus boundary CB and potentially DE). Rest of the team, on paper, looks fairly set.
You're right, no rush to spend the little Beane has left.
All rookies are signed except Coleman who will cost about $1.1M off the top 51.
That leaves Beane with about $8.3M. Minus $4M for PS and the rest for the 53 plus any IR players to start the season.
It really doesn't leave much left.
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13 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
We’re good. Highest paid WR for the last 2 Super Bowl winners.
2023 - Marquez Valdes Scantling
2022 - Marquez Valdes Scantling
But MVS doesn't win you championships in Madden or Fantasy football!
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
You quoted one poster who said no RB should get a second contract 3 posts ago.
Here if you forgot it was all of 7mins ago:
@DrDawkinstein, other posters in this thread, and I have been proposing number way lower.
I did not see his particular post about $15M, but you continue with your "hot takes".
I'll move on.
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1 minute ago, GoBills808 said:
8comments up
So one poster determines your entire consideration of a thread's relevance.
Most of us in favor of considering a 2nd contract are saying it would be only considered for one third that.
And I'm sorry @Mat68 $15M is never happening.
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1 hour ago, GoBills808 said:
Concurrent threads considering paying James Cook $15M AAV and mocking the Vikings for extending Jefferson is so on brand
Who is saying $15M a year?
There is one NFL RB making more than that, CMC.
Running back contracts have been in decline the last few years vs the total team cap.
Going into training camp this season the Buffalo Bills are the NFLs lowest RB cap spending team.
So, the Bills should go lower? Anyone thinking that any UDFA off the streets is better than Cook is a fool.
What cracks me up is the INSANE position that "NO RB SHOULD EVER BE SIGNED TO ANY 2ND CONTRACT".
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12 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
We arent talking about the anomalies like Kamara and McCaffery.
Barkley and Ekeler's contracts are new this year. Even Nick Chubb has only a $2.5M salary (with a $6M hit due to some dead cap)
Follow the link: https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/rankings/player/_/year/2024/position/rb/sort/cap_total
There are only 4 RBs in the entire league making more than $8M, and that's with plenty of new contracts this year.
If he costs $8M+ then we've won a Super Bowl and he was MVP
Most here don't see what we are saying. It has got to a point where 99% of NFL RBs are now put into a category where they are all
considered the same by way too many fans.
If Cook plays well his last 2 years and is in good health, you offer him a "reasonable" 3-year contract. If he and his agent refuse and get
more money somewhere else, great. Get a comp pick.
It seems to me fans have now combined the reality of not resigning RBs to huge $ 4-year contracts with the overreaction of never
resigning any RB to any length or any dollar amount. As with most things in life the truth is somewhere in the middle.
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14 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:
Or it just means the market for RBs doesnt pay them well. Fine, let's say $4M, which is more than Singletary, Saquon Barkley, and Austin Ekeler just got. Plus the cap will be going up.
The exact value doesnt matter. The point is, we can talk about some very good RBs that still make less than $5M/year. This isnt the WR market.
If your guy performs well, and you can keep him for that cheap, you keep him.
Yes, you keep him. What also happens is less draft capital is needed for the position. More chances for other offensive talent to be taken.
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2 hours ago, 2003Contenders said:
Those guys don't count against the salary cap -- just the top 51 salaries on the roster count against the cap.
WRONG. Every year we go through this. Google it and he will see they do count.
The Top 51 is only before the season starts.
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It seems to me a lot of top RBs sign huge 2nd contracts that never end up seeing the final years of the contract.
If Cook is playing well, it would behoove him and his agent to sign a 3-year deal for "reasonable" money.
I got no problem paying a very good RB who fits a team's scheme and system $3M-$4M per year.
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5 hours ago, The Cincinnati Kid said:
I’d probably have him play some wide receiver. Hopefully he will catch the ball if thrown to him and then do some running with it towards the endzone.
Nothing about your post, just your profile name.
The last few threads I've been reading has had arguments about populations growth, buying vs renting, NFL v WrestleMania and a myriad
of other foolishness that I have to leave or start telling some posters what I really think of them. LOL
I saw your profile name and decided instead of reading more BS, I'm going to watch the classic gambling movie "The Cincinatti Kid"!
Steve McQueen, Tuesday Weld, Ann Margaret and Edward G Robinson sounds a lot better than what I have been reading.
FWIW to anyone who cares, the movie is free on TUBI.
Thanks "Kid"!
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Don't see this guy having a chance to make the 53. Maybe not even the PS.
He is an amazing athlete and maybe, just maybe he brings in a working example of techniques that could be useful to other players.
Laugh all you want, but McDermott has been talking to players about this stuff for years.
If he is lost in practice, they will move on to someone else. The "outcry" about this is laughable.
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17 hours ago, Simon said:
This is likely to be complementary also as I think folks will be impressed with how well Curtis Samuel blocks.
He's not recklessly blowing people up but he's smart with his feet and typically gets effective leverage.
I think they're going to play a lot of games with this (and also end up leaving corners isolated and vulnerable against a bigger WR on the other side).
I'm curious to see if Shakir and Samuel (along with another WR) are bunched up. With their quickness and blocking ability it could be something
that works well.
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12 hours ago, FireChans said:
They just kicked the cap hit can down the road. They were still highly paid.
You want to see an example of "kicking the can down the road", just look at what Miami has done with Hill.
This Waddle signing is because Hill will not be on the team in 2026. The last year of his contract 2006 (age 32) is $56M cap hit!
LOL, that's crazy. Hill's last season with the Dolphins is next year.
I don't look at this Waddle signing in a vacuum. The Dolphins have some serious cap issues to deal with next year and they still
haven't signed their franchise QB.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/player/_/id/19119/tyreek-hill
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15 minutes ago, Rampant Buffalo said:
If I was the one running the Dolphins, I'd ask: what kind of play are we getting from Tua? What kind of play could we get from the QB position, if we drafted Tua's replacement?
If you don't think you could get someone as good as Tua, then you obviously have to extend him, and deal with the ugly salary cap implications as best you can. But to my eyes, Tua isn't that special. A good QB draft prospect could be better. If the Dolphins go that road, they potentially upgrade their QB position, while also improving their salary cap.
IF you are moving on from Tua you don't want to be put in a situation where the current team is. The Dolphins could easily be a playoff
contending team. You don't get a good draft pick with that. That's why you blow up the team this season or you sign Tua.
Miami has a total cap hit for next season of $112M for Hill, Chubb, Ramsey and a 34-year-old Armstead.
That's why I agree with what @Bleeding Bills Bluesaid about them being in a "pickle". They are.
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8 minutes ago, 90sBills said:
Teans will start to copy KC’s blueprint and the receiver market would burst eventually.The WR market "bursting" will be team specific driven IMO. You have a mediocre QB you NEED elite WRs. Those teams will pay.
You have an elite QB, you can't pay everyone.
What I see with the new cap situation is this. The days of attempting to put that Superbowl team together with franchise players in positions
of QB, DE, LT, WR, CB and let's say another team scheme specific player is getting hard to do. The cap keeps going up but the elite position $s
seem to be outpacing the whole.
The "KC blueprint" isn't unique. A few years ago, in regard to WR cost, was exactly what the Patriots did.
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1 hour ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:
Even before Tua signs his deal. They are in a pickle moving forward.
They paid Chubb. Picks and dollars for Ramsey. To a lesser extent Jackson Brooks and Sieler. Picked up the 5th year option for Phillips (this is a large cap hold going into the offseason that you may want to tag someone).
They didn't pay Hunt and Wilkins. Cut Howard and eat 23M in dead space in 2025. I just don't see how they can keep Holland AND Phillips after this year. Oddly enough - this group is some of their best players from 2023.
Hills cap hit in 2026 is 56M, which will require a major restructure - which is concerning when the player is 32.
Armstead's cap hit increases to 22M in 2025 and he will be 34. The void years for decreasing those hits would be the same as Hill, so i suspect he is released next offseason.
It's basically - you're married to this core, or you're ripping off several bandaid's at once.
Let's start with the obvious. The $56M cap hit for Hill in 2026 is NEVER going to happen. No way is there a restructure for a then 32-year-old WR.
The Waddle signing is proof they believe he will take over WR1 in 2026. Waddle contract extension doesn't kick in until that year.
Waddle is playing under his 5th year option next season.
Jalen Ramsey's contract is unsustainable. He will be cut next year which in essence they pay him $25M to leave and get $1M in cap relief.
If they keep him, they pay $26M in 2025 and owe $18M in void dead cap in 2026. That tells me he is GONE. No way they cost him out for
$44M to keep him in 2025. You are totally right about him being gone in 2025.
Armstead is a puzzlement for them. I think it's all on how he plays this season. I guess it depends on Eichenberg or maybe Wynn.
Right now, I see a good chance he is gone too, but they only get $4M in cap relief.
Chubb, like you say is another quandary. I think they do 1 of him or Armstead. They can't take dead cap on all of them.
They are ALL-IN this season for sure. The insane thing is they haven't done anything (to this point) about Tua. If this was going
on in Buffalo this board would melt down. LOL.
35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:actually their WR3 is OBJ and they have probably the best backfield in the league w Achane/Mostert
OBJ is once again a FA. As I said above, the Dolphins are ALL-IN this year because next year will be crazy for them.
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4 hours ago, muppy said:
Isn't it more logical that when your team is playing at its most successful level in ages that the interest level would be More not less? Year round? Why would it be less. Im confused
also OP is preaching to a very NFL focused and invested choir here at TBD. There is that
I agree Muppy. Although it seems that a lot of fans (also, many on this board) have become embittered with success but no Lombardi.
We all want that, but whether that is achieved or not should not take away from the joy of being an avid fan of the Buffalo Bills.
At least not IMO.
Every time I start to think that way, I hear my 92-year-old jokingly saying, "I hope they can win a Superbowl soon, I don't have much time left".
She watches every snap of every game, year after year, and still finds the joy in it all. I do hope that some of the bitter fans can take some
solace in that type of fandom.
If I can keep that hope, I will be interested in what is happening with my Buffalo Bills, win/lose/or draw!
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2 minutes ago, FireChans said:
Brother, the post I was responding to was claiming the 2023 Bills was the best offensive grouping Josh has played with lol.
I think you are arguing with the wrong person.
I apologize if I lost all the trains of thoughts in the thread. I thought you were part of the WR "crisis" group.
OTAs 6/4
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I agree. It seems the young guys will have to beat out Collins for tackle slots. I'm not too sure what La'el has left to offer.
Might be better to take the chance with the younger guys.
Between Center and OL depth it makes the group one of the more interesting ones to watch this summer.