Maine-iac

It's this simple. Despite all the captain checkdown talk Tyrod's best throws were deep throws. Problem is they traded away all the deep speed and left him with a bunch of undersized TE's at WR. Then mix in that the running game is not working and now teams are playing coverage. Instead of 3rd and 4 where they are afraid of the run and Taylor can get passes off downfield, run, or actually check it down and still have a chance to pick up a first we are consistently in 3rd and long, frequently double digit long, and there just isn't anywhere to work the ball and the pocket is collapsing too fast. I really don't think Peterman will have any better success. Both QB's are shackled by this ****ty running attack and an o-line that too frequently let's at least on defender run untouched into the backfield. This is on the coaching. I hope Peterman proves me wrong but I largely think until they replace Dennison neither QB will do that well. It's going to look like the 0rton year all over again except with a rookie.

I thought about this also. Why were we able to play the run when he was only playing part time. This is what I was thinking. Do they keep tabs every single play as to whether Dareous is in or out? If they game plan for Dareous and his back up comes in are they still running plays like Dareous is in there? As in blocking schemes to account for him. If he's gone you can run a whole game plan for the defense not having him and take advantage. If there's a chance he's playing 30 percent of the snaps you can't.

All this plus I'd like to add the biggest thing stopping Taylor from being dangerous is our own coaches. I'm all for telling him to go through progressions, read the defense, make passes but if you have Tyrod back there and they go man and are all running back to down the field let him run. He doesn't have to run all the time but the fact that teams know he's being coached to stay in the pocket makes it easier to come after him. Best thing Taylor could do is run for 60 or 80 yards on a couple of teams. Secondly I'd like to add that they need Thompson on the field full time. He seems to be the only guy with the speed and separation ability to keep defenses honest. Taylor seems to be able to find him also. He almost got him last game except Thompson couldn't hang on but every other game they've put him in he's produced. If nothing else it should keep the defense a little more honest and help Clay and Benjamin underneath.

If Dennison wants to know what we do best watch some tape from last year but shouldn't he have done that already? If he was interested in scoring points he would have taken last years run game and added some route variation to the passing game and called it a day. As it is he's single handedly stopped our running game which effectively cripples everything else because our offense fed off the running game.

Unless you watched the game. Then you'd say they played the pass, it was third and long, and the line can't hold up for anything that develops 20 yards down the field. That's nothing new.

It was 3rd and 13, I'm thinking they guessed pass on that down and played coverage.

Give Peterman a start and if the defense holds them to under 20 and we score over 20 we win. In general a defense that holds teams under 20 ppg and and offense that scores 22 or more per game is a winning combination. If Peterman gets us there then I'm all for it.

I've already answered this and you didn't get it the first ten times ............ I doubt the 11th a light will come on. I'll let it go. I'm not trying to win a medal for explaining team sports.

I'm saying the team needs to be better for him to be successful. If we are actually looking for him to be successful, which I question, then you can't have multiple negative running plays and leave him in 3rd and 13 all the time. You can't start drives with penalties and you have to be able to pick up 3rd and 1 running to keep the drive alive. 3 out of the 5 times we punted in the first half had nothing to do with Taylor. So my answer is that yes we didn't have a great passing attack. What do we need to do better? If you think simply changing the QB will fix that you aren't watching/understanding the game. I've already said this though so people are either only cherry picking things to argue with or don't care to look at the big picture.

More of the same ..........

You've been at this for an hour and got nothing so far ............... like I said I'll even spot you the two throws to KB that were bad. Now name some plays he really "played like trash" on. Stop repeating the same thing and show me you actually know what you are talking about.

I think you are reading what you want and not reading what you don't feel like reading. I've said over and over he didn't play great. He certainly had no help and he needs help. Between you and the other guy I don't know what you expected but out scoring a team that runs for 300 and 6 TD's wasn't on my radar. It has nothing to do with "love for Tyrod". It's more having a reasonable and objective idea of what the team needs to do right for any QB to be successful. Start Peterman next week. I would root for him but if they can't run the ball and leave him in 3rd and long every drive with no pass protection it's going to be one hell of a afternoon.

If we continue to get penalties, negative runs, bad pass protection, and drops you will never see a successful QB here and you will simply replace the name in the title of this same post every couple of years. Everyone here gets that though ............ right? I thought so.

I agree and didn't like that check down. Again it's 3rd and 13 ......... he got Tolbert for 8 why? Because we were in 1st and 20 in the first place. My point, and has been all along, is that everyone needs to play better. That's what I thought.

So you can't do it?

What's the matter ........... should be easy for you. I'll even spot you the first two throws to KB. After that though, tell me which drives did Taylor kill with horrible QB play. Again I watched the game. I guess I missed it ........... but here's your chance. Tell me about it instead of just the token he sucks.

Yes and no. They are looking for these short passes. Setting up short clogging the run, stopping the scrambling and making short passes harder. We actually need to start hitting deeper routes but the line can't block long enough to do that without negative plays like sacks. We aren't creative enough with the screen game to beat it that way either.

Show me. I watched the game. Didn't think he played great but certainly lack of running game and drops hurt. Line can't block and the play calling sucked. Seems like a suck hat trick. I'm not trying to spin it that he played great but you sure as hell can't point at him and say the problems start and end there.

The other drives, 3 out of 5, we ran on 3rd and got stuffed or someone dropped a pass. So it's easy to say he didn't miss a throw.

It's not a strategy ............ look at it. Tipped passes, penalties, negative runs, and drops. Not a whole hell of a lot to work with. Don't confuse this with saying he played a great game. I wish he had squezed in that first throw to KB in the end zone ect but that said people get all crazy when you say it's not all him.

Looked back at the game. First drive we scored. Second drive, penalty and it's 2nd and 14, tipped pass then 3rd and 14. Third drive McCoy runs for -5, Taylor completes a 6 yard pass and then Thompson runs for -5. Fourth drive Taylor runs for 7 on a second and 9 then Thompson drops that beautiful deep throw on 3rd and 2. Next drive Taylor hits a 9 yard pass on 2nd and 10 then Tolbert gets stuffed on 3rd and 1. That's just the first half. Someone tell me where Taylor could have done something different. Mind you I don't think Taylor is "franchise" or something but if you don't have a decent understanding of where things are going wrong it's hard to claim you know how to fix them. At the moment I think Dennison sucks. That's our biggest problem.

McVay with Frazier still as the D coordinator and we'd have essentially the same team but with a creative offense.

Thompson went up and never came down with it. Fact is Taylor or Peterman it doesn't matter. This team was supposed to run the ball and play defense if it wanted to win. If we get more negative runs than positive, can't play defense, and get a flag every offensive first down and defensive 3rd down we are going to have many many games just like this.

Peterman or Taylor I don't care. What concerns me more currently is what the hell happened to our defense? Then with Dennison as our coordinator are we not going to be able to run it well again? We were the best running team in the NFL two years in a row and not by a little. We averaged 50 to 60 yards a game more and 5 points a game more on offense than we are currently. As much as we would like a player to make an improvement for our team we need to stop bringing in coaches that make things worse. McDermott needs to get that defense corrected and I'm not sure Dennison will ever have this offense scoring to where it was.

I wasn't a hater but I thought we'd be alright without him. I may have been horribly wrong as was the front office apparently.