Buffalo03
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7 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
In his career, he has had a total of 2 games with 3 TD and 1 with 4.
In those games, he had 26 (3TD), 13 (3TD) and 27 (4TD) touches.
This season in each game he has had
20 touches
22 touches
18 touches
20 touches
13 touches
20 touches
18 touches
14 touches
18 touches
He should be getting anywhere between 25-30 touches consistently and he doesn't
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2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
In his career, he has had a total of 2 games with 3 TD and 1 with 4.
In those games, he had 26 (3TD), 13 (3TD) and 27 (4TD) touches.
My point exactly. The higher volume in touches shows that he puts up elite numbers if given the chance. He doesn't get those amount of touches every game consistently.
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8 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
If the amount of running they are doing is "fine", and their Offense as is (which of course includes) is the best in the league, then how did you conclude that they are misusing one of their running backs when no back will have 450 touches, few if any will have 300 carries and the RB in question is among the leaders in touches per game already?
You really think that shifting 3 more carries from Williams to Jones would have an impact on this Offense? He's getting LOTS of touches (#8 in the NFL). But 3 or 4 more per game is really going to do it for you and your friends?
Jones is a huge piece of that Offense and they are getting a lot out of him. He doesn't have to be Elliot or McCaffery over there
The amount that they run the ball in a game is fine. But let's just say they have a game where they choose to run 30 times. In that case Jones should be getting 20 of the carries while Jamaal Williams should be getting 10. Not 15 and 15. The amount they throw and run in a game is fine. But the carries that they do do should be more in favor of Jones. I can't tell you how many times I would watch a 15 play drive for the Packers and Aaron Jones isn't on the field once. In New Orleans for example, you will never see an entire 15 play drive without Kamara on the field at all
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1 minute ago, Rc2catch said:
Numbers don’t lie, Williams is producing for them. In the run and pass game. You keep saying you watch packers games like nobody else has a tv lol. I’ve watched plenty of Green Bay this year. Matter of fact one of the funnest games I’ve watched this season was the game adams was out and they had no receivers but all the running backs played amazing, they ran motions and screens and moved the backs all over and had a great game. I get you have some big crush on Aaron jones but running backs come from nowhere at times and are not worth second contacts minus the very few elite guys. Jones is not one of those elite guys. Sorry for your loss buddy.
Williams is producing because he gets more touches than he should be getting. Aaron Jones has the capability of being a top 5 back in this league if the Packers made him a bell cow back like he should be. I've seen Jones have multiple 3 TD and even a 4 TD game doing things a lot of other RBs in this game can't
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2 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
The Offense doesn't exist to pad a RB's stats. Again, they are the top scoring Offense in the NFL---as is. What would giving him the ball more do for them, make them ....."#1-plus"?
They have found their perfect balance of passing (#6) and running (#10) at 55%/44%. And you are saying they are doing it wrong? That's not a viable belief.
Come on....stop.
Well having Aaron Rodgers also has to do with that. I never once said they were doing it wrong. The amount that they run the ball is fine. It's just that Jones should be getting more of those carries over Jamaal Williams. That's all I'm trying to say. Never once did I say they were handling balance of run and pass the wrong way but thanks for making assumptions and putting words in my mouth
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13 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
400, 300.....whatever, right? you're a moving target!
Jones has 14.4 carries per game to Williams's 9.8.
Jones has more touches per game than Kamara and 1 less than Elliot.
Only two (2) RBs had over 300 (barely) carries last season and only 3 are on pace to break that this season. So....you are wrong again by another mile. Plain and simple.
Ok starting RBs in the past USED to get over 300 carries a season. My bad. The point is, he is severely underutilized. His carries to Jamaal Williams should be more of like 17 or 18 carries a game with Jamaal as a backup getting maybe around 6 or 7 tops. And he should be getting targeted more in the passing game. He is not gettinf the touches he should. The GB backfield is literally identical to how the Rams treat Henderson and Malcolm Brown. Although, unlike those two guys in LA, Jones is clearly the better back of the two in GB. I'm not the only one who talks about how underused he is. There are articles all over the internet from people who will say the same thing. There isn't a game in New Orleans where you will see only Latavius Murray out there for every play of a drive and no Kamara at all. That's the point I'm trying to make
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14 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
There is not a single RB on pace to come close to 450 touches this season....the front runners are on pace for maybe 400.
There is a grand total of zero RBs getting 25 carries a game. There are only 2 over 20. Henry has only 23 per game, and he has 50 more carries than the guy who is #3 on the list!!......yet your argument is that the top scoring Offense in the NFL needs to run its feature back more than any other team in the NFL?
Yeah, I'm not moved by that argument.
Most starting RBs get over 300 carries a season easily. I watch Packers games and he splits carries with Jamaal Williams. There are multiple drives a game where Williams is in and doesn't come out at all. He is way underutilized. He should be used like a McCaffery, Elliott, Kamara and all those guys. He doesn't get enough touches. Plain and simple. He should be getting just carries wise at least 15 to 20 carries a game. He is lucky to get that in just touches
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32 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
450 touches for 2443 yard and 27 TDs in 25 games is "severely underused" (in a top 6 Passing Offense)?
ok..
Anyway, why would he be "stupid" to resign with the Packers?
Most RBs have 450 touches a season. If you watched GB games you would see he is severely underused in that offense. He averages about 15 touches a game. He should be getting 25 carries alone and he's not
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2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
Jamaal Williams isn’t exactly a scrub and one could argue is playing at the same level as Jones. And given Jones injury history it’s probably smart to lighten his load during the season so he’s fresh for the playoffs right?
Jones is clearly the better player when he plays. Williams shouldn't be playing at the same level because he shouldn't be getting as many opportunities as he is. Jones should be getting 25 carries a game in that backfield
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11 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
My point is that his value is higher than Elliott because he can play every receiving position. McCaffery, Kamara, and maybe L Bell are the only other RBs that can reliably play WR. Jones is likely the best of the bunch when lined up outside in the x or z.
Yeah, his ability to play out wide in 4 or 5 WR sets is something that most other RBs can't do. Which is all the more reason why I would love to have him here
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3 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
Leads the league in TDs the past few years, can run post routes like a WR and plays in the slot, etc. I didn’t base his contract value on Elliot as Zeke can’t play WR. The closest comps are Kamara and McCaffery, who earn $15MM and $16MM respectively. He’s not a one trick pony. Jones is a multidimensional weapon, and the only way he doesn’t get paid for that is Covid cap suppression. RBs that average 5 y/c, lead the league in TDs, and can line up outside and beat probowl corners with double moves are unicorns. JMO.
I agree with everything you said as far as him being a multi dimensional weapon but how many RBs are making that kind of money in the league right now? I think Elliott's deal was $96 million for 6 years which averages out to $16 million a season and Elliott is pretty decent out of the backfield. Kamara's contract extension was 5 years at $75 million but I honestly can't see any team paying Jones more than $40 to $50 million on a 4 to 5 year deal.
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2 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:
I had to stop reading after under utilized.
What??
Green Bay has always featured him and he’s shown well, except he always catches minor injuries or misses time. It’s understandable for almost all running backs but he gets plenty of touches there when healthy.He is underutilized. He averages 10 to 12 carries a game and barely gets thrown to anymore like he did last year. If you watch a Green Bay game they will have Jamaal Williams on the field for an entire 95 yard drive at times. If the Packers stopped having such a hard on for Jamaal Williams, Jones would get 25 carries a game like he should be
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4 minutes ago, I am the egg man said:
He hasn't showed much on my FFT, so no, the Bills should stay the course.
That's because of Matt LaFleur. Not because of Jones
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7 minutes ago, Buffalo Junction said:
Jones is going to get PAID. No way Beane gives a RB a $15MM/yr contract which is what Jones will be looking for. The guy knows that his receiving ability, speed and TD totals make his a unique talent.
I don't think it will cost $15 million a year to get Jones. That's Ezekiel Elliot money. He's not Ezekiel Elliot but he's very good. I honestly don't think any team will pay him that. I'm thinking more in possibly the $8 to $9 million dollar range on a 4 year deal for him. This offense is a RB away from being exactly where it needs to be
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He's a 2021 free agent, severely underused in Green Bay, an excellent receiver out of the backfield with good hands and needs to have a lead back role. Just turned 26 on Dec 2nd so we can get a solid 4 years out of him at least. He has more rushing TDs than any other RB the last 2 seasons. There is absolutely no way that I can see this guy choosing to resign in GB. He would be stupid to do that.
Granted, Moss and Singletary are here. I like both but I'd rather have Aaron Jones over Singletary. I also wouldn't mind sets with two of our backs on the field at the same time. I read an article of the top 5 places for him next year and all of the Patriots, Dolphins and Jets were on the list. I'd rather not have him in the division unless it's in our backfield. What does everyone think? I would love the idea of Aaron Jones being here
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Can someone tell me how to change the title?
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But it's pretty funny
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Gotta be the all reds for Sunday Night Football next week I would think
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Ahhhh, Beth Mowins season. The best time of the year
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I feel like if they ever had Dick Jauron mic'd up when he was here that anytime we did something bad he would go up to the players and say "it's ok, don't worry about it. It's tough to win in this league" lol
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Too bad that Candlestick is no longer around. It would have been sweet to play this one game there
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13 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
It's a team sport a QB doesn't get to say it's not fair I didn't throw it close to that guy that intercepted it the WR batted it to him. I mean he can either eat a sack or see if he can't throw it farther than 30 yards....which as an NFL QB he damn well should be able to.
I know the game isn't always fair and I do think a batted pass should be a pick because that's what it is. I also agree that a QB should be able to throw a ball 30 yards down the field but having to throw it that far to avoid an intentional grounding penalty seems little ridiculous to me. Especially since most times if the QB is that far back he probably has a ton of guys chasing him or in his face. Can't really expect him to get it to the line of scrimmage 30 yards up the field. Just seems dumb to me
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10 minutes ago, Warcodered said:
Your not supposed to hike the ball 30 yards behind you.
I get that but it's not the QB doing that. It's the center firing it over his head and him running backwards to make sure the other team doesn't recover it. It's not the QBs fault. He should be able to just pick it up and toss it out of bounds and have it be an incomplete pass
How about Aaron Jones at RB next year?
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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Wrong. Derrick Henry, Dalvin Cook, Christian McCaffery (when healthy) and Elliott all get those touches on a game by game basis. Try again