MJS
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Because they actually offered something for him.
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Allen understands that players come and players go. I don't think him and Diggs have the relationship they used to, so I don't think Allen is that sad to see him go, but I don't think he necessarily feels relieved about it. Fans make these things bigger than they are.
Allen is supremely confident and I'm sure he believes he can win with or without Diggs as long as the Bills bring in other receivers with talent. And he seems to be following the receivers in this draft pretty closely, so he has already been prepared for life without Diggs and to connect woth another young receiver.
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Draft a guy. We need to get younger and cheaper, and that means hitting on draft picks. The next two drafts are really important.
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15 minutes ago, Nuncha said:
His play the last quarter of the season and post season also helped "force" him off the team as well. The dude was brutal down the stretch.
That's true. And it culminated in his atrocious game against the Chiefs in the playoffs. And Beane puts a lot of stock in elimination games. He always says that those games highlight your difficiencies. Diggs was clearly a difficiency in that game.
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Too rich for me. The only position you should get crazy like that is QB, in my opinion. I wouldn't mind a trade up into the 15 to 20 range. But I think it is reckless and irresponsible to trade up into the top 10, especially when it is so important for the Bills to draft well over the next couple of years.
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1 hour ago, BillsGuyOutWest said:
Kiko Alonso, the things I did to acquire that jersey…
Oh my goodness, I was going to say the same thing! I was actually shocked when Alonso was traded and a bit unhappy because I liked him. But that was clearly a good trade in the end. Kiko flamed out eventually and actually was a dirty player for awhile, and Shady had a few good years here.
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1 hour ago, NoSaint said:
nothing was blatant? Come on. It’s been national news for years.
he didn’t do anything selflessly - he pushed as hard as he could without being considered and irredeemable cancer by future teams.
No, nothing was blatant at all.
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1 hour ago, nosejob said:
I heard 24 going into the season. The same as Shakir going into his 3rd yr. That was Brown and Tasker talking.
He is 23 now and his birthday is in January according to the Google.
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11 minutes ago, nosejob said:
But, do they want him enough to not mind him being around 30 when 2nd contract comes up? Personally, I'd love to have him and paired with Walker.
I figured they'd draft 2,but now maybe 3?
What do you mean? He is 23. Even with the 5th year option he'd be 28 when his 2nd contract kicks in.
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I've liked Brian Thomas Jr. as a trade up target, but I listened to Locked On Bills and Joe Marino seems really high on Xavier Legette and has him rated higher than Thomas. Both of those guys are really intriguing to me. Both have size, speed, and explosiveness. If we could land either of them in round one, I'd be happy.
Marino describes Legette as a big, physical, alpha male receiver. He's a big receiver who plays big. Explosive accelerator. He can get off blocks in a hurry. Very good at yards after catch. Creative and sees the field well. He can win the edge on outside handoffs if you want to hand the ball off to him. Asset in the screen game and return game. He has that "my ball' mentality when the ball is in the air. Good body control and concentration.
And much more. He sounds perfect to me.
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1 minute ago, SoonerBillsFan said:
How far can #28, a 4th this year and a 2nd next year move us up in the draft?
My guess is around pick 15. Something like that.
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1 minute ago, Cray51 said:
Cosell made an interesting point, WRs tend to fall in the draft almost every year. I think about the Jeudy draft, Lamb and Jeudy all fell 5-7 spots from their rankings. Garrett Wilson fell a few spots to the Jets in 22
WR wasn't a pick until 20 last year.
Not that it's a fact, but those mocks that have Odunze/Nabers/Harrison ALL going by pick 9... they may not be incredibly accurate to how teams draft. Maybe one falls to 13-15 potentially, and then a team makes a move.
QB's are still king, and they can push more talented prospects down the board. Then there are teams that just need to draft certain positions because they have holes, which pushes talent down as well.
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3 hours ago, boyst said:
Should they package a trade that would include this years first, next year's first and second to pick in the top 8 for a WR?
Trade up? Yes. Trade all of THAT to get into the top 8? Heck no.
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1 minute ago, Doc Brown said:
They had Kelce and a top five defense.
Kelce is a shadow of himself, honestly. He's still good but not the dominant force he used to be. And the Bills have a good defense too.
There's really nothing to be panicking about, especially before the roster is even set.
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19 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
This is where I am at. Nothing that is known right now suggests it was so bad that Beane felt like he had to make this move and he certainly didn't get some kind of big offer he couldn't refuse. So feels like we might be in store for some details to leak out that there were some issues where they felt his presence this year on the team just didn't work anymore. Beane is very cap savvy, so just feels like something had to be in play for him to take this much dead cap on over 2 seasons. And its clear Beane believed Diggs would be here this year last year or he wouldn't have restructured him which made his contract so bad to trade. Something changed between then and now.
Really the only leak was McDermott's "very concerned" comment from last year. The Bills keep these things quiet.
9 minutes ago, BillMafia716ix said:I’m sorry but to say the Bills are going to be better on offense without Diggs and Davis is crazy too me. I like Kincaid and Shakir but you’re not going to convince me having Diggs on the field didn’t open up things for them. I think Kincaid will be a stud for sure…but Shakir let’s pump the breaks on that.
Josh without Diggs on the field is still an unknown. Just a lot of question marks on the offensive side of the ball right now to say they are going to be better.The offseason isn't over. The roster is still being built. We have the draft, potential trades, and up until the season to bring in free agents.
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Yeah, there must have been a lot more going on that we don't know about. I know Diggs sent some mysterious tweets, but largely he kept the issues in house, and I respect him for that. Too many players go out and air their dirty laundry in interviews or on social media. Diggs didn't do that, regardless of how people feel about his tweets. Nothing was blatant.
That said, it's a real shame that he couldn't be more professional and control his emotions and attitude. He basically forced himself off the team, and that sucks.
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37 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I think if we go back and look at that God awful Chiefs message board from back when they traded Hill many would have been saying their window was over... rebuild as well. They went on to win the next 2 Super Bowls.
So, to your point, I agree that anything is possible and with Allen we always have the possibility of catching fire late and running the table.
This will be a new look team come week 1. Many of the vets we have grown accustomed to seeing as team leaders and core players are gone. We have seen who steps up to take their place both on the field and in the locker room as leaders. Team captain vote this year should be telling.
I think much of what we will see for the 2024 Bills will be the formation of the "new core" that with emerge going forward to the next window of opportunity. Playoffs would be a success this year IMO.
The Chiefs also got rid of talent on the oline and defense and relied on young players and rookies. The key is they hit on draft picks. The Bills need to do the same.
Just now, KDIGGZ said:We barely did this year and we are exponentially worse at multiple positions. 9-8 season incoming!
The Bills were the 2 seed! They won 11 games. Stop this nonsense.
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55 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
We aren't making the playoffs folks
We absolutely are. No doubt about it.
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9 minutes ago, BeastMaster said:
The draft value chart is simply a guideline for those that don't know
Teams have done deals that were significantly less and significantly more on the chart, so ultimately it doesn't mean a whole lot
I don't really agree. Every team uses the charts. They deviate some, but they use the charts as a baseline. I think they do mean a lot, but they don't mean everything. Some teams become desperate. Some teams value draft picks more than others. But the charts are always relevant.
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2 minutes ago, Process said:
I agree. But see my post above yours. All it takes is one stupid team.
That's not nearly as lopsided as you think. That's 1640 for the Vikings and 1410 for the Lions according to the value calculator I used. There are a few calculators out there.
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10 minutes ago, Process said:
I would do this if that's all that it will take
That's just false. It will take more than that.
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4 minutes ago, DabillsDaBillsDaBills said:
I gave it a D, and that's just grading the trade in a vacuum and not looking at the dead cap from the ludicrous extension.
Diggs cooled off in the 2nd half of the season, but he still finished 13th in yards and 8th in TDs for the league. That's a really good season and he's had 4 straight really good seasons for the Bills. There's no reason to think his production will fall off a cliff, although it's fair to say he doesn't have much time left as an elite WR.
Diggs+ 5th + 6th for a 2nd is a really poor return. If you net the picks we essentially traded Diggs for a 3rd. Trading a bona fide WR1 for a 3rd rd pick is not good value.
I don't think Diggs is a number 1 anymore, or at least not for the Bills. He soured on the organization and disappeared in games.
I fully expect him to go to Houston and put up good numbers, until something upsets him again and he sours on THAT organization. It happened with the Vikings and it happened with the Bills.
Getting a 2 for him is fine. The dead cap hit is a big blow, though.
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16 minutes ago, BarleyNY said:
Something I pointed out prior to this is that there are two ways to look at the cap impact. One is the immediate, where Diggs’ cap hit is about $4M higher this season if traded. The other is that the overall cap impact would be $19M higher to keep him in 2024. It hurts this season but opens up things next.
Side note: The Bills aren’t paying Diggs anything this season. The cap hit is from money they already paid him.
I just meant from a cap perspective, not that they will be paying him anything extra.
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1 minute ago, Sweats said:
What are you talking about?!?........we got rid of an aging self-centered WR......seems like a fairly decent position to be in.
Do you even follow football?
30 million dead cap. That's never a good thing. Was it the right move? Probably, but that doesn't make it an ideal situation.
So You Need to Move Diggs..Why the Texans??
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Look at what other teams got trading their wide receivers this offseason. Keenan Allen was traded for a 4th rounder. Jerry Jeudy was traded for a 5th and 6th. Getting a 2nd for Diggs is actually pretty good, and only the Texans were willing to give that.