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15 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:
Kincaid vs Oliver as this year’s TBD whipping boy
I don't know about Kincaid being the TBD Whipping Boy of the season ... it seems to me that Keon Coleman might have the edge here.
14 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:I'm not sure why people don't recall why Kincaid fell out of favor. He was HORRIBLE in the playoffs. Even the one long catch he was credit for in the Denver game was clearly a drop that they got away with.
Oh, please! The TBD mob had their pitchforks out for Kincaid even before the season started, starting with all the complaints that the Bills should have drafted Sam LaPorta.
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1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:
Thank you!
The myth of Trent Edwards is wild to me. I remember that season when we started 4-0 and I started a thread stating if he doesn't play better we would miss the playoffs. I got flamed left and right because we were "4-0" - albeit we had just beat 4 of the worst teams in the NFL. Trent had 1 TD in each game...our Def/ST combined for more TD's over that 4 game span than Trent had himself. And we barely beat 2 of those really bad teams that year.
He wasn't good, all he did was just not make mistakes while we beat the bottom feeding teams and let our defense/ST help carry us to wins. Soon as our defense and ST stopped scoring TD's we couldn't win a game with the president of Dakota Fannings fan club at the helm.
He was never good. He showed some potential as a rookie, then created false hope when he wasn't doing a whole lot in a hot 4-0 start against bad teams where our D and ST were scoring an unsustainable amount of times, and then just went on to never improve from what he had been.
And the injury myth still persists to this day for some as the reason he stunk
"Captain Checkdown" never learned to read defenses ... which is why he earned that nickname. He was the perfect QB for Dick Jauron (who believed in playing not to lose games by too much) because Edwards was good with throwing a 4 yard pass on third and 5 and then punting. Jauron disliked Losman because he (Losman) tried too hard to make plays and win -- IOW, he took risks, which Jauron hated.
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8 hours ago, Jalan81 said:
I would say it just didn’t perform when it ultimately absolutely needed too.
8 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:It's an issue of not forcing defenses to defend the entire field. Even McDermott said we need to attack more vertically.
The issue was that the Bills defense wasn't good enough to stop KC from scoring more points than they had scored in any game in 2025. No team has beaten KC in the playoffs without the defense getting after Mahomes and limiting Kelce.
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15 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:
Rapp saved us so many TDs and games last year by never giving up on plays. The guy is one of the only people we had that plays with general aggression. He was probably my favorite player on the miserable Defense and was never appreciated even by our own fans. Safety WAS a problem last year but it was the other guy.
I thought the biggest problem for the Bills last year was WR. /sarcasm off
13 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:Schatz is the guy who once called Allen "a parody of a NFL quarterback" and also said, "the idea that Josh Allen could become an elite NFL quarterback pretty much defies math.”
I can't say I trust his judgment.
I can't blame the guy for his poor prediction about Allen since I was skeptical about Allen, too. Many were. As a rookie, Allen's most notable traits were his leadership and his willingness to do whatever he needed to do to win. To call Allen's improvement from his rookie season to today "impressive" is a huge understatement. It has been awe-inspiring.
9 hours ago, Orlando Buffalo said:We have Josh Allen, Dion Dawkin, Cook, and Benford, we are now accustomed to guys being top 5 or even all timers. Good time to be aBillsfan.
I remember a time within the last two decades when Rapp would have been the best player on the team.
9 hours ago, SoonerBillsFan said:Bishop right now can't beat out Forrest. BUT... he should be given every chance throughout the year.
You don't know that; the team hasn't even had any mandatory workouts yet.
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2 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:
Unpopular opinion, but let’s be honest, Dion is the epitome of “love him if he’s our guy, hate him if he’s on the other team.” Think about the clientele on this board, if Dawkins played for another team, he would be called obnoxious, overrated, he should just shut up, blah blah blah. We know him, we all love him, but yes, his personality definitely turns other fan bases off
While what you say is true about fans, this list is supposed to be based on how players perform on the field, and the guy who put it together is supposed to be a professional. Tyreek Hill has a less than endearing personality but that doesn't diminish his play on the field.
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6 hours ago, Doc Brown said:
Good god. It was sarcasm of Beane's WGR call. WR is the most concerning position going into this season and whether the WR's step up in the playoffs will pry determine our fate......again.
How the defensive line and defensive backfield develop during the season and perform come playoff time is much more likely to determine the outcome of the Bills' 2025 season than anything else. Teams beat the Chiefs in the playoffs when their defenses get after Mahomes.
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1 hour ago, Mango said:
On the useless ladder it's about one rung lower than One Bills Live.
Given the ages of one Terrance Pegula and Ralph C Wilson, I'm astounded that neither could figure it out.
The MB was shut down before Pegula purchased the team IIRC. I think it was just part of the evolution of message boards.
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2 hours ago, SirAndrew said:
It’s really cool to hear some stories of posters who became fans because of Allen. I think there’s many people who don’t post here that might never admit to not being fans before Allen. Buffalo always had a devoted Bills fanbase, but I think the fanbase outside of WNY has definitely increased. It seems that upstate NY is now Bills country. Fans always existed, but I’ve noticed the disappearance of Giants and Jets fans in upstate. I remember when Syracuse television networks would broadcast Giants and Jets over Bills games that occurred simultaneously.
I lived in the Albany area during the Glory Years. The Albany network affiliate always carried the Jests rather than the Bills and sometimes even the Patriots even though both teams sucked as badly as they've sucked the last couple of years. They got so many complaints that they decided to have the fans vote on which team they would show, which the Bills of course won, if not necessarily because there were so many Bills fans but watching a crappy team lose week after week doesn't appeal to many people.
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1 hour ago, DJB said:
Unfortunately if Coleman doesn’t take a step and Beanes addition of Palmer fails miserably, the 2026 draft is very weak for the WR position
2027 WR is stacked however with J Smith WR OSU likely the first overall pick.
Since the Bills are already doomed before Memorial Day, why not plan for the 2026 and 2027 drafts just like in "the good old days" of the Drought Era?
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13 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I look back with quite a lot of nostalgia now at the drought. An era when every regular season win felt like a massive achievement. Especially if we beat anyone half decent. Now the regular season games often feel very routine and I kinda miss that jeopardy.
Having a great team with a superstar Quarterback is definitely better, don't get me wrong.
I cannot find anything nostalgic in the Drought. It was painful, especially for someone who had season tix for several years during it. It did make me appreciate how special the current team is. I never take any Bills game, especially the wins, for granted.
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2 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I’ll stay out of this one because I’ve said my piece on this many times. Are we now questioning the validity of PFF? While we might not always agree with them, we can’t act like they don’t have credibility because we don’t like the data. All 32 NFL teams use their data. We can argue that receivers not getting open didn’t play a role in Josh’s inaccuracy down the field. We can’t argue that the people producing the data aren’t credible.
I wasn't questioning the validity of PFF data. I was questioning the use of it by the OP as ammunition in his crusade.
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My current dog is mostly an Australian Heeler/Australian Shepherd named Leroy Jethro Gibbs that answers to Gibbs. I found him at an Amish farm, but didn't buy him that day because I had a road trip to an event at RIT planned the next day. Somebody had texted me while I was on the road that I should name my new pup Jethro, which didn't impress me. Then on the way home, we passed the Thruway exit for Leroy, NY. Being a fan of the early NCIS, what else could I name my new little boy but Leroy Jethro Gibbs??? By sheer chance, naming Gibbs after the lead character in the original NCIS is a perfect fit because both have kind of "unique" personalities. In the case of my Gibbs, a lot of it is related to his genetic make up: he's OCD when it comes to balls (he will fetch balls until he drops, and he also hoards them); he hates rakes, mops, and brooms as well small wheels on baby buggies, lawn mowers, etc. trying to get them to stop; and he "smiles" when he meets his favorite people (a notable trait linked to Heelers). While Gibbs will chase squirrels and woodchucks, he's not a killer; he tries to herd them. He's also very vocal, letting the world know when he's unhappy, especially when he can't go everywhere I go, but also when he's playing with various squeaky or chew toys. He also takes his job as watch dog very seriously, not just at home, but at the local dog park, while walking in the neighborhood or in the park. The world is full of suspicious things like pigeons, flapping laundry, boats at the ramp across the street from the dog park, etc that he needs to warn me about. He also sings to sirens and joins his besties at the dog park in community howls.
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1 minute ago, Another Fan said:
That X post is a perfect example of how much over analysis goes into the NFL by amateur "analysts" with too much time on their hands.
Fixed it for ya!
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Find another dead horse to beat. This one's past putrid.
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I'm with @rusty shackleford on the differences between Northtowns and Southtowns. I have family who live in both areas, so I frequent both.
IMO, the only problem with the Southtowns is the heavy snow. The solution to snowblowing as you age is to hire somebody to clear your driveway and sidewalk (if you have one). You can find almost all of the same shopping and dining options in the Southtowns as you can north of Buffalo. The village of Hamburg is very walkable.
The biggest problem with the Northtowns is the traffic. What good is having all kinds of options for shopping, dining, and entertainment within a 1-2 mile radius when it takes you 30-45 minutes to get there? Kenmore and Williamsville are both walkable villages, but you will still need to brave the traffic for most shopping and dining.
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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I think was 97 yards. I heard Fitzpatrick talk about it (or maybe it was TO). Broke the huddle and lined up. Both of them looked at the defensive set and thought, "oh, boy!" Fitz and TO made brief eye contact. Then the snap, and they just did it.
TO actually didn't have such a good year in Buffalo. He was, as you say, a total pro. But every year in the league after his fourth season, TO went for more than 1000 yards, except for two years when he would have made it, but for injuries, and his single season in Buffalo. His problem in Buffalo wasn't injuries; it was named Trent Edwards. For whatever reason, Edwards did not throw the ball to Owens. That ended when he was benched for Ryan Fitzpatrick. It was pretty clear that Fitz's thought process was something like, "Hey, I'm a mediocre QB on a bad team that happens to have a HOF pass receiver. I'm throwing it to him." Owens' targets and receptions went up. If Fitz had started the whole season, Owens would have been over 1000 yards.
That's because TO ran his routes beyond the first down marker.
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2 hours ago, zow2 said:
Everyone says Keon specializes in 50/50 balls. Well guess what, QB's nowadays don't love throwing 50/50 balls. The goal is to throw like 30+ TDs and 5 int's in an entire season. You aren't throwing single digit Int's with 50/50 balls.
I think that the Bills wanted a big Red Zone target who could fight for balls, and Coleman seems a good fit for that role. The weaknesses that his critics keep bringing up -- his 40 yard speed and his difficulty getting separation -- are pretty inconsequential in the tight quarters inside the 20.
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59 minutes ago, Mango said:
At worst I think this could be a case of "overdrafted" and "wrong situation". If he was picked high 3rd or low 2nd and was asked to play the big slot role with some ability in for contested catches in the end zone he would likely stick just fine with the team that drafted him.
But, if he doesn't turn the corner he could find himself a FA. I don't think he will be unemployed in 3-5 years.Cody Ford, drafted by the Bills in 2019 and considered a major bust by fans, was active in 16 games and started 9 for the Bengals in 2024, and I believe he has been re-signed by Cincinnati for 2025.
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On 5/17/2025 at 1:18 AM, Mikie2times said:
Not trying to be a jerk here, but this is the usual stuff on the board and I don't give anybody a pass. You have no idea if our injuries are more or less. Even within the context of just playoff teams, let alone the the regular season. The Lions or the _____'s or the ____'s have nothing to do with it.
The injury beating crew do it without the context of what is normal and what is not normal. How can anything be abnormal if you cant establish normal? I will place my fake bet and say the Buffalo Bills from 2020-2025 have not faced an abnormal amount of injuries comparative to the league average. Are you putting your fake bet down to say that isn't the case?
You really aren't trying very hard.
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8 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:
What good OT did you think they should have drafted instead of Moore or Worthy?
The Chiefs, as you may recall, traded a first round pick for Orlando Brown and won a Super Bowl with him.
I think it’s fair to say they know that OT is important.
It was a facetious response to a poster whom I saw as posting another ignorant post with no basis in fact. That poster claimed Beane "didn't get it" because he kept drafting DLers and DBs while the Chiefs "got it" because they keep drafting WRs. That's nonsense.
Beane keeps drafting DLers because he hasn't hit on a real stud yet, and he takes DBs because the modern NFL requires having 5 starter quality DBs ... 2 outside CBs, 1 slot CB, and 2 Safeties, plus he missed on Elam. Beane also traded a first and a fourth to get Diggs, so he obviously does understand the importance of WRs.
Conversely, the Chiefs keep drafting WRs because they really haven't hit on one since they parted company with Tyreek. Rice had a good rookie campaign, but he only played 4 games in 2024 before getting injured, so he's still a question mark. The Chiefs have also been drafting OTs recently because they haven't had a lot of success at filling that hole, including using second round picks (IIRC) in both 2024 and 2025 on OTs.
Both Beane and Veach "get it" in terms of the importance of various positions, but the draft is a crap shoot, and that's especially true where both teams have drafted in the past few years.
6 hours ago, Dr. Who said:When was the last time Beane took a speed WR early in the draft? I think he has a type, and it's closer to Kelvin Benjamin than an elusive burner. Those folks who believe he is consistent with a Carolina philosophy for team building (Dline first, receivers normally excluded from first round consideration, preference for burly types) seem correct to me. And yet, they could have made a trade for Metcalf, and passed on him in the draft. So, he likes the slow, burly types.
Yes, some sarcasm, but not entirely undeserved. It might all still work out in the end. If it doesn't ultimately conclude with Josh Allen in a Bills' uniform hoisting the Lombardi, no amount of extenuating circumstances are going to excuse the failure; and if he wins, everything is forgiven/justified. If they don't win it this year, for me, Beane better focus like a laser on the lacuna in his team building strategy.
The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs. I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft".
4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
Beane didn't "screw up" anything with this pick as McConkey was never on the board. They've been chasing a big body physical player in Buffalo for 20 years and Beane has wanted one his whole tenure too. The goal was to get a guy for Josh who's open even when he's not open. It's the same reason we let KC trade for Worthy. That type of player didn't exist to our FO. It was likely Thomas, Coleman, and then LegetteThat's a wild way to get at the wrong conclusion. He got the player he wanted for the role he wanted. He didn't want a speedster for that role, but he did want them for other roles.
I don't often agree with your takes, but you are dead on with both of these.
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1 hour ago, balln said:
chiefs get it. Why can’t Brandon ? Let it go. We don’t need meh rotational backup DL and secondary. MULTIPLES of them
They obviously don't "get it" when it comes to the OL. They have drafted multiple OLers but have yet to find a good LT. Maybe if they had drafted an OT instead of Skyy Moore or Xavier Worthy, they don't get whipped by the Eagles in the last SB.
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3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
No. I'm taking to to the grave with me. Same goes for not aggressively pursuing Hopkins when he was still elite going to the Titans when the Bills could've made it work salary wise when we were desperate for outside WR talent. A guy that could've been that could've been that true difference maker down three with three something minutes ago against the Chiefs two years in a row.
Are you saying that Metcalf has never dropped a pass??????
IMO, if the Bills could have stopped KC on any of their fourth quarter scoring drives, there would have been no need for late game heroics by the Bills offense in either of the last two years.
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4 hours ago, Billl said:
You wouldn’t have had to let Shakir walk after this year. He could have been traded for a fourth which could have then been sent to Seattle along with a second for DK Metcalf. The $25 million a year that will be used to pay Shakir and Palmer could have nearly paid for it.
The Bills didn't want DK Metcalf enough to trade for him. Deal with it.
3 hours ago, 947 said:Keon's top speed of 19.23mph in the WR drills is great, but that's long speed. In football, acceleration is much more important than long speed or top speed, his disappointing 40 time shows a lack of initial acceleration. For a WR to get open quickly, he needs acceleration & suddenness, and that area has proven to be the weakest part of Keon's game. He does a lot of other things well, but if he can't improve on his initial acceleration, he'll continue to struggle getting open.
Actually, the gauntlet drill focuses on a WR or TE's ability to focus on the ball while moving and changing direction. Receivers zig zag across the field while trying to catch balls from multiple sources. (I looked it up).
Running 40 yards in a straight line doesn't really test acceleration and suddenness because receivers don't run all out in a straight line for that long in actual games unless they've already caught the ball and are heading for the end zone. It's only somewhat less useless than having linemen running 40 yards.
If you want to measure acceleration and suddenness, then you want something with shorter straight line runs and changes of direction. The gauntlet drill seems to come closer to what a receiver might actually do in a game.
1 hour ago, noacls17 said:This Moore love is hilarious. He is only 5'9" 183. He has been on 3 teams in 5 years. Not a good look, must be a reason.
Because Beane didn't draft him, he can't be used as "evidence" of why Beane is a failure.
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5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The reason it gets constantly and justifiably brought up is the fact that we are still somewhat deficient in our wr room. I like the speed additions that BB brought in with Moore/Palmer. We had 40 tds scored last season from non wrs. So the contribution table of that 8 game streak of 30 pts is a little skewed. On the biggest drive of our season in KC, James was out and our receiving corps did not clutch up. That's a problem.
We're all rooting for Coleman and patience is necessary. I give every Bills player for the last 60 years at least 3 full seasons to prove yourself. That's why this is such a critical year for Dalton. As @Robb Riddick said we could all have egg on our face? But the Bills still desperately need to find that fast twitch replacement for Diggs. A wr DC's have to gameplan. And we haven't done that yet. No one is gameplanning for Coleman & Kincaid right now. That's a problem.
This is just me, but I'd rather be "still somewhat deficient in our WR room" than be "somewhat deficent" on the offensive line or in the defensive backfield.
10 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:No one is saying great WR,so far Colmen isn't even good. It would be nice if fans quit kissing beanes butt and putting their heads in the sand in regards to Kincaid and Coleman JUST because they are on the team.
If either were on another team those backing them now would say they sucked and not be giving the bs excuses they are for those players.
Bottom line, both need to step up big time this year.
I almost always give rookies and sophomores the benefit of the doubt, especially when they've missed time due to injuries, whether they play for the Bills or another teams. You can check out my posting history if you want. I did think Peterman was trash almost from the get-go, and there are probably a few others.
The jump from college to the NFL is a big ask, and very few young players, even #1 picks, start out playing at a high level.
FTR, my comment was aimed at the continuous whining by some posters about things that cannot be changed. The draft is a crap shoot. Even for first rounders, only a handful are going to become game changers, and some are going to be busts.
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Joe Brady says Dalton "lived here this offseason"
in The Stadium Wall
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Allen was in Buffalo for OTAs just days before his wedding.
He's not at the OTAs this past week because he's on his honeymoon.
This is probably the first set of OTAs Allen has missed in his career.
Give it a break.