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8 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:
What good OT did you think they should have drafted instead of Moore or Worthy?
The Chiefs, as you may recall, traded a first round pick for Orlando Brown and won a Super Bowl with him.
I think it’s fair to say they know that OT is important.
It was a facetious response to a poster whom I saw as posting another ignorant post with no basis in fact. That poster claimed Beane "didn't get it" because he kept drafting DLers and DBs while the Chiefs "got it" because they keep drafting WRs. That's nonsense.
Beane keeps drafting DLers because he hasn't hit on a real stud yet, and he takes DBs because the modern NFL requires having 5 starter quality DBs ... 2 outside CBs, 1 slot CB, and 2 Safeties, plus he missed on Elam. Beane also traded a first and a fourth to get Diggs, so he obviously does understand the importance of WRs.
Conversely, the Chiefs keep drafting WRs because they really haven't hit on one since they parted company with Tyreek. Rice had a good rookie campaign, but he only played 4 games in 2024 before getting injured, so he's still a question mark. The Chiefs have also been drafting OTs recently because they haven't had a lot of success at filling that hole, including using second round picks (IIRC) in both 2024 and 2025 on OTs.
Both Beane and Veach "get it" in terms of the importance of various positions, but the draft is a crap shoot, and that's especially true where both teams have drafted in the past few years.
6 hours ago, Dr. Who said:When was the last time Beane took a speed WR early in the draft? I think he has a type, and it's closer to Kelvin Benjamin than an elusive burner. Those folks who believe he is consistent with a Carolina philosophy for team building (Dline first, receivers normally excluded from first round consideration, preference for burly types) seem correct to me. And yet, they could have made a trade for Metcalf, and passed on him in the draft. So, he likes the slow, burly types.
Yes, some sarcasm, but not entirely undeserved. It might all still work out in the end. If it doesn't ultimately conclude with Josh Allen in a Bills' uniform hoisting the Lombardi, no amount of extenuating circumstances are going to excuse the failure; and if he wins, everything is forgiven/justified. If they don't win it this year, for me, Beane better focus like a laser on the lacuna in his team building strategy.
The Bills gave up a first and a fourth to get Diggs. I think that qualifies as spending draft capital on "a speed WR early in the draft".
4 hours ago, BullBuchanan said:
Beane didn't "screw up" anything with this pick as McConkey was never on the board. They've been chasing a big body physical player in Buffalo for 20 years and Beane has wanted one his whole tenure too. The goal was to get a guy for Josh who's open even when he's not open. It's the same reason we let KC trade for Worthy. That type of player didn't exist to our FO. It was likely Thomas, Coleman, and then LegetteThat's a wild way to get at the wrong conclusion. He got the player he wanted for the role he wanted. He didn't want a speedster for that role, but he did want them for other roles.
I don't often agree with your takes, but you are dead on with both of these.
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1 hour ago, balln said:
chiefs get it. Why can’t Brandon ? Let it go. We don’t need meh rotational backup DL and secondary. MULTIPLES of them
They obviously don't "get it" when it comes to the OL. They have drafted multiple OLers but have yet to find a good LT. Maybe if they had drafted an OT instead of Skyy Moore or Xavier Worthy, they don't get whipped by the Eagles in the last SB.
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3 minutes ago, Doc Brown said:
No. I'm taking to to the grave with me. Same goes for not aggressively pursuing Hopkins when he was still elite going to the Titans when the Bills could've made it work salary wise when we were desperate for outside WR talent. A guy that could've been that could've been that true difference maker down three with three something minutes ago against the Chiefs two years in a row.
Are you saying that Metcalf has never dropped a pass??????
IMO, if the Bills could have stopped KC on any of their fourth quarter scoring drives, there would have been no need for late game heroics by the Bills offense in either of the last two years.
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4 hours ago, Billl said:
You wouldn’t have had to let Shakir walk after this year. He could have been traded for a fourth which could have then been sent to Seattle along with a second for DK Metcalf. The $25 million a year that will be used to pay Shakir and Palmer could have nearly paid for it.
The Bills didn't want DK Metcalf enough to trade for him. Deal with it.
3 hours ago, 947 said:Keon's top speed of 19.23mph in the WR drills is great, but that's long speed. In football, acceleration is much more important than long speed or top speed, his disappointing 40 time shows a lack of initial acceleration. For a WR to get open quickly, he needs acceleration & suddenness, and that area has proven to be the weakest part of Keon's game. He does a lot of other things well, but if he can't improve on his initial acceleration, he'll continue to struggle getting open.
Actually, the gauntlet drill focuses on a WR or TE's ability to focus on the ball while moving and changing direction. Receivers zig zag across the field while trying to catch balls from multiple sources. (I looked it up).
Running 40 yards in a straight line doesn't really test acceleration and suddenness because receivers don't run all out in a straight line for that long in actual games unless they've already caught the ball and are heading for the end zone. It's only somewhat less useless than having linemen running 40 yards.
If you want to measure acceleration and suddenness, then you want something with shorter straight line runs and changes of direction. The gauntlet drill seems to come closer to what a receiver might actually do in a game.
1 hour ago, noacls17 said:This Moore love is hilarious. He is only 5'9" 183. He has been on 3 teams in 5 years. Not a good look, must be a reason.
Because Beane didn't draft him, he can't be used as "evidence" of why Beane is a failure.
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5 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
The reason it gets constantly and justifiably brought up is the fact that we are still somewhat deficient in our wr room. I like the speed additions that BB brought in with Moore/Palmer. We had 40 tds scored last season from non wrs. So the contribution table of that 8 game streak of 30 pts is a little skewed. On the biggest drive of our season in KC, James was out and our receiving corps did not clutch up. That's a problem.
We're all rooting for Coleman and patience is necessary. I give every Bills player for the last 60 years at least 3 full seasons to prove yourself. That's why this is such a critical year for Dalton. As @Robb Riddick said we could all have egg on our face? But the Bills still desperately need to find that fast twitch replacement for Diggs. A wr DC's have to gameplan. And we haven't done that yet. No one is gameplanning for Coleman & Kincaid right now. That's a problem.
This is just me, but I'd rather be "still somewhat deficient in our WR room" than be "somewhat deficent" on the offensive line or in the defensive backfield.
10 minutes ago, SoonerBillsFan said:No one is saying great WR,so far Colmen isn't even good. It would be nice if fans quit kissing beanes butt and putting their heads in the sand in regards to Kincaid and Coleman JUST because they are on the team.
If either were on another team those backing them now would say they sucked and not be giving the bs excuses they are for those players.
Bottom line, both need to step up big time this year.
I almost always give rookies and sophomores the benefit of the doubt, especially when they've missed time due to injuries, whether they play for the Bills or another teams. You can check out my posting history if you want. I did think Peterman was trash almost from the get-go, and there are probably a few others.
The jump from college to the NFL is a big ask, and very few young players, even #1 picks, start out playing at a high level.
FTR, my comment was aimed at the continuous whining by some posters about things that cannot be changed. The draft is a crap shoot. Even for first rounders, only a handful are going to become game changers, and some are going to be busts.
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Another day, another thread where the "We're doomed because we don't have a great WR" fraternity beats the same dead horse.
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11 hours ago, BillsPride12 said:
Injuries and staying healthy are absolutely a big factor in making it to the finish line. But having a less talented roster doesn't increase your odds of winning a Super Bowl either? I don't understand the point you are trying to make here
My point is that talent is not necessarily the difference between "a very good team" and a "Super Bowl team". Talent, injuries and coaching are important factors, but so is luck, both good and bad. Most SB winners "catch lightning in a bottle" at least once in their road to a Lombardi.
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32 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:
The difference between a very good team and a Super Bowl team
The team with the most talent frequently doesn't win the Super Bowl -- or even get to the Super Bowl. Injuries derailed the Lions last season in the divisional round in the NFC. Turnovers in the divisional round and a dropped 2 point conversion by an All Pro TE put the Ravens on the sidelines for the AFC Championship.
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3 hours ago, TheBrownBear said:
Yeah, it's called a Cluster B personality disorder when it occurs in adulthood.
It seems to be found in significantly higher frequency among NFL WRs than in the general population of NFL football players. 😁
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19 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea I don't think it is close to 100% that he'd have won us a Superbowl.
NOTHING about winning a Super Bowl is ever guaranteed (ie, 100%), and almost every SB win has some element of "catching lightning in a bottle". The undefeated Patriots rolled into Super Bowl XLII against the Giants and were leading 14-10 with less than 2 minutes to play. David Tyree, a career JAG, caught an Eli Manning pass off his helmet to set up the winning score, AND the old Dolphin vets were able to pop the cork on their champagne. The Atlanta Falcons were up 28-3 in the middle of the third quarter of Super Bowl LI and lost the game 34-28 as the Pats got their act together and made a furious comeback to get the game to OT.
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17 hours ago, BillsVet said:
You gotta have a backup plan when the defense isn't stopping the offense. It's akin to a MLB pitcher without his + stuff finding a way to win regardless.
In the NFL, the backup plan is being able to out-score the opponent, which this regime doesn't think is necessary. (Cue the scoring 30ppg regular season crowd).
Both this HC and GM expect that all pistons will be firing on both sides of the ball in the biggest games of the year. Even with a workaholic HC and no major weaknesses on that defense they'll run into good offenses who can out-duel it. People should have seen that against Baltimore, where it took a +3 turnover advantage and a dropped 2 point conversion for Buffalo to barely hold on. The following week when the injuries happened, Buffalo lacked the offensive firepower to overwhelm the Chiefs...because they don't invest there like their best/likely playoff opponents do.
They're all-in on the strategy for 2025, although perhaps with some schematic wrinkles. If it doesn't work and they bottom out in the Divisional/Championship game round again...then the current plan should be scrapped in favor of a Josh-centered team. Because it'll have proen their plan is insufficient after 6 seasons doing it their preferred way.
The Bills didn't lack the "offensive firepower to overwhelm the Chiefs". They lacked the defensive talent to stop the Chiefs. The Chiefs scored more points in the 2024 AFC Championship than they scored in any other game in 2024 because the Bills defense wasn't good enough to stop a team that averaged 22.6 points per game from scoring 29 points.
As for creating "a Josh-centered team", what could be more "Josh-centered" than providing him with a strong offensive line plus an excellent running game. He's not running for his life and he can play "hero ball" strategically rather than out of necessity?
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I have a Ryobi 20 inch battery operated mower that I bought last year to replace my 10/15 year old behemoth self propelled gas mower. Love the new little mower. I have a large lot but I use a rider on most of it. The walk behind mower is to do the front tree lawn (grassy area between the street and sidewalk), the grassy paths through the front and side yard flower beds, and to do clean up around the raised beds in the veggie garden. I can do it all on a single charge.
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On 5/6/2025 at 11:06 AM, Cash said:
My take is a little different: I think they're taking a swing at having a real superstar for once, and being relevant. No one cares about the Jags. No one's ever cared about the Jags. Trevor Lawrence is a good(?) QB, but not cool enough to be a major star without major wins. Hunter is potentially the coolest player in a long time. And as a bonus, he's from Georgia and appears happy to be playing close to home. A potential superstar who actually wants to be there? That could be a game changer for a franchise like Jacksonville.
If Hunter makes it as a two-way player in any meaningful capacity, he will be the favorite player of a whole generation of young fans. And it could work on-field as well. I assume the plan is for Hunter to shore up the pass defense at CB and be functionally the WR2 to BTJ on offense. (I know the GM has said they're going to lead with WR and ease him into defense. In the interview I watched, that sounded like an onboarding plan with the goal of Hunter playing both ways this year and beyond.)
It was a move worthy of the Bills ex-GM/evil genius Russ Brandon, made to put butts in the seats and the suites with little regard of its impact on the team on the field. Hunter is a great talent, but the draft capital the Jags gave up to get him should only be spent on a franchise QB prospect, not a WR or a WR/part-time CB prospect.
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7 hours ago, RoscoeParrish said:
AJ Brown complained about his targets all the way to the Super Bowl.
Theres something in the water when it comes to WRs
I think it's part of their psyches. It's why some very fast young football players become WRs while other just as fast young football players become DBs. And it seems like the more talented a WR is, the more likely he is to have be a self-absorbed, spoiled diva.
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2 hours ago, Pete said:
Outside WR must be able to beat press coverage. They run deeper routes. They tend to be larger and more athletic than the slot. Like I previously stated, all outside WR can play the slot, but there aren’t many slot WR than play outside. That has nothing to do with Fantasy Football. Your ad hominem input added nothing to our discussion
Pats added Kyle Williams, who average over 17 yards a catch last year. Kyle is a stud WR
Saints still have Adams, don’t they?
Raiders- Have Bowers - the best TE in NFL. And they drafted Jack Bech- my favorite WR in draft
This thread is supposed to be about how bad the Bills WRs are as a group. The last time I looked, Bowers isn't a WR, so he doesn't count.
2 hours ago, Pete said:Ok Grasshopper. In the AFC Championship game, in the Superbowl, I want Josh to have weapons galore, enabling success. I do not want to see Dalton flailing for a heroic throw, nor Diggs dropping the deep pass from Josh, or offense being crap against Cincy or any of our other offensive failures that ended our playoffs year after year. How can you be against that?
league’s change year to year, and it don’t matter what you did last season. Why would you not want the Bills offense to be improved ?
I want to see Mahomes/Lamar/Burrow and any other QB the Bills play on their way to a Lombardi sacked, hurried, and running for his life because his receivers struggle to beat our secondary, enabling our pass rushers to get home. If the Bills defense had held the Chiefs to their average points per game in the 2024 AFCCG (22.6), there would have been no need for any final drive heroics by the Bills offense. The pass rushers couldn't get to Mahomes because his receivers were beating our DBs almost from the get-go.
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On 5/5/2025 at 6:24 PM, wjag said:
Should be interesting to see if anyone will sign him. He’ll likely lose his Royal Farms gigs too.
Hard to fathom how he could be caught in same snare when he saw what happened to Watson.
The allegations stem from incidents that occurred when Tucker was a young player, 10 plus years ago IIRC, years before Deshaun Watson entered the NFL.
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28 minutes ago, LEBills said:
Let’s assume you are right. It would be the wrong approach by the Bills to limit their offense that way. It doesn’t have to be a vertical passing attack like Dorsey ran, but you have to at least have that option in your bag or, as others have stated before, defenses will compress the middle of the field and make it even harder for your pass catchers to get open and space for your running backs to run.So regardless, I am going to say we need to try to draft receivers going forward.
I don't disagree that the Bills should draft WRs going forward, but I don't think that they should necessarily a) invest in superstar WRs via FA or trade b) prioritize WRs in the draft to the point that they use too many resources to move up (as I think the Jags did in trading to draft Hunter in this past draft) or pass on a much more likely to succeed prospect also at a position of need. The 2025 draft was not one for the Bills to grab another WR after they took one last season in the 2nd round, especially given that the Bills need to improve their defense coincided with a great draft for defensive players.
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13 hours ago, Bill from NYC said:
McDermott is a defensive minded coach. I don't think that Beane had the authority to pick a wide receiver in the first round without the approval/consent of McDermott. I do believe that Beane has the power to make trades in order to get players that McDermott and the staff want, but I do not think that he has the final say.
So, we disagree but I appreciate the dialogue.
I think that you see the relationship between Beane and McDermott as much more adversarial than it probably is. Beane and McDermott are friends and their friendship goes back to their early days together at Carolina. I also think their philosophies on team building are very similar, too. I think that the use of "McBeane" by some posters isn't far off the mark in describing how the Bills select talent. They collaborate not compete.
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2 hours ago, hondo in seattle said:
Beane's argument isn't that simple.
He's also mentioned that we scored 30 points in 8 consecutive games and were the highest scoring team in the NFL last season if you include the playoffs. The offense was productive even without an elite receiver so maybe that wasn't our biggest need.
And he's pointed out, reasonably enough, that you can have All Pros everywhere. The cap doesn't allow that.I believe that if you have a unicorn QB, you ought to prioritize two things: the OL and your stable of WRs. I don't think Beane's done that. It seems we either have a good OL, or a good group of WRs, but never both at the same time. Still, there are rational arguments you can make for his approach.
Every QB, whether he's a unicorn or not, requires protection and targets. However, that protection and those targets don't necessarily have to be just OL and just WRs. Bills TEs and RBs block well, and both were integral parts of Brady's offense last season, and a big reason that the Bills were successful on offense in 2024. Cook breaking a long run is the equivalent of a WR catching a long pass. The same with Kincaid or Knox making crucial catches ... and frequently WRs, especially the all-world types that some are pining for ... are notoriously poor blockers.
2 hours ago, finn said:My counter is that the offense wasn't good enough in the playoffs last, so it stands to reason it won't be enough this year, given what little Beane has changed (let's assume that, yes, some players will improve but others will disappoint or get injured, as happens most every year). Last year, it got bailed out by the defense against Baltimore and failed on its final drive with the game on the line.
In other words, does it matter that the offense didn't turn the ball over and scored lots of points if they keep losing in the playoffs? We're so used to blaming the defense that we forget that Diggs dropped that pass, Bass missed that field goal, Dawkins missed that block, Kincaid didn't make that kick, and pretty much no one showed up against the Bengals. The facts are plain: The offense hasn't been good enough.
It's obvious that you are going to die on this hill of "we're doomed to lose in the playoffs because we don't have great WRs". That's your choice. I happen to believe that "defense wins championships" is a much higher hill, and it's always better to have the higher ground.
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1 hour ago, machine gun kelly said:
As one other poster mentioned, it’s in a way a misleading question as the teams at the bottom who had cap space were able to improve the most, and those that were already talented would look like they added the least. Overall, I think the Bills had a decent off season, and time will tell if the defensive upgrade will work.
This is what I thought, too. It's way things usually go. Some of the views of the best and worst FA signings were interesting.
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On 5/3/2025 at 11:55 AM, BADOLBILZ said:
You weren't worried about WR last offseason either. Then Baltimore and Houston happened. The latter being one of the worst performances by an NFL QB this century. Because of insufficient quality at WR.
So you were proven wrong.
Beane had to burn a precious 3rd round pick to address it with a player coming off a 1200 yard season that teams had to respect as a deep threat.
And they subsequently produced a full TD more per game after that. (As Beane is proud to note)
That's the difference between being the 2nd highest scoring offense and finishing 11th(Arizona).
And for further perspective on what that kind of disparity means........the Bills ranked 11th in defensive DVOA last season and the prevailing sentiment among fans and local/national media is that they were bad defensively.
Your premise that poor WR play led to the Ravens and Texans losses is simply incorrect.
In the Ravens game, while the offense was ineffective, the defense was also guilty of playing crappy. Henry ran 88 yards on the Ravens' first play from scrimmage for a TD, and that essentially set the tone for the rest of the game. Both sides of the ball sucked.
In the Houston game, the Bills defense gave up 26 yards and a TD on 2 rushes by Cam Akers and then a 67 yard TD pass to Nico Collins in the first quarter. After that the Bills defense tightened up and gave up only 3 FGs of 47, 50, and 59 yards the rest of the way with the 59 yarder being the game winner with 2 seconds left. The defense was missing Rapp (replaced by rookie Cole Bishop) and Shakir was out on the offense. Allen had one of his worse days as a pro (9/30/131,1,0), but he didn't just miss WRs, and he did hit Coleman for a 49-yard TD pass. The Houston game could hardly be called an indictment of the Bills WRs since their most productive WR was out and their rookie caught a bomb for a TD.
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12 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
And yet you thought it was going to be a "big competition" already for spots 6 and 7 in the WR corps so no significant talent would be added. 😂
A "big competition" can take place even if the competitors aren't very good.
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If you think about it, getting drafted by an NFL team is a really awesome accomplishment. Approximately 77,000 college students play football in 774 4-year colleges and 123 junior colleges annually. If you assume that about 1/4 of those are eligible for the NFL draft, that's about 19,000 football players. The NFL selects about 250 of those, or about 1.4%.
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On 4/29/2025 at 8:04 PM, Augie said:
My wife recently got an BIG feeder from a retail place in Greenville, SC that does nothing but birds. She also got a hanger that can clamp on the railing of our deck, but it didn’t quite fit. I found it in the bushes below on the second day.
Our next door neighbor has a full shop in his basement. My recently retired wife ran into Mike in the street, and within 30 minutes we had a pressure treated perch for the feeder we (she, who am I kidding?) can prime and paint.
I’m just hoping it doesn’t lead to rodents.
Using hulled sunflower seeds will significantly reduce waste ... which should reduce the rodent population. Also, don't store your bird seed in your house or even in an attached garage if you can avoid it. The only time I ever had a mouse in my house that wasn't brought in half dead by one of my cats was the winter that I stored my bird seed on my enclosed back porch. I moved the seed barrel back to my detached garage, a trap under the sink got the mouse, and no more rodents in the house since, although my current cat occasionally brings in a not-quite-dead chipmunk from the overgrown yard across the street. If you don't have a detached garage or a garden shed to store seed, keeping seed in metal containers (hungry mice, chipmunks and squirrels can gnaw through plastic) and sweeping up any seed that falls on floor should limit the rodents, too.
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McBean's Drafting vs. Chiefs, Eagles, and 49ers (draft position/impact players?)
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You really aren't trying very hard.