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48 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
I like these as the Bills first two picks...
I like OL with the second pick if they don't trade down ( first if they do...), however we need to see what they do in FA first...depending who they do/don't pick up then Risner & Bradbury are also in play...
Another point - I'm betting regardless of who Beane wants, he is pulling the trigger early and moving up.. possibly to around the mid to late 20's to get him..
My dream draft would be
1. Metcalf
2. Lindstrom or Risner
3. Tillery
4. Benny Snell or Darrell Henderson
With Free Agent additions at RT, C, TE, pass rusher.
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8 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
I absolutely agree with the bold, which is why I have guys like Oliver, Williams, and Wilkins listed. The impact of interior pass rushers like Aaron Donald and Chris Jones is as much of a factor in disrupting QBs as the EDGE guys.
I can agree with that.
5 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:The more pressure you can generate without blitzing, the better. What also helps is that Brady does not like pressure up the middle
No QB does.
Your Edge guys tend to put up more sack numbers and pressures though. That's why I think Edge is a priority over interior. But ultimately, you get it where you can get it.
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7 minutes ago, thebandit27 said:
For me, the best usage of a top-10 pick is on a franchise QB. Obviously, that's not where Buffalo is going this year, and that's fine. The next best usage IMO is on a game-changing offensive playmaker, pass rusher, or corner. When I try to evaluate who has the best chance of being a game-changer in the NFL, I'm looking to optimize between a track-record of playing the position at a high level in college and the eye-popping measurables (and, of course, you want the intangibles as well).
So, when I look at the top-10 talent non-QBs in this class (listed, in no particular order, below), who checks the boxes?
Nick Bosa
Quinnen Williams
Josh Allen
DK Metcalf
Josh Jacobs
Ed Oliver
Christian Wilkins
Jawaan Taylor
Rashan Gary
Devin White
Jeffrey Simmons
TJ Hockenson
For me, the guys I think qualify as having both a track-record of playing the position at a high level in college and the eye-popping measurables, and can fill one of the critical roles of offensive playmaker, pass-rusher, or corner, are: Bosa, Williams, Allen, Jacobs, Oliver, Wilkins, and Simmons. I'm leery of guys that do incredibly stupid things off the field, so Simmons probably falls off my board. I'm also not huge on first-round RBs given the shelf-life, so Jacobs wouldn't be my guy either.
That leaves Bosa, Williams, Allen, Oliver, and Wilkins for me. I thin there's probably an 80% chance that one of them is there at 9, so that's where I'd go at this point.
Now if Josh Allen is on the board and DK is also on the board, that's when I would have a difficult decision. He's the only potentially available defender I'd do that for. To me, what the Bills need on defense is an edge rusher opposite of Hughes. I'm not sure I'd take an interior DL over Metcalf looking at the Bills. If I'm another team I probably would. But the Bills, the only guy I'd take over Metcalf at 9 is Allen. This current NFL is two things to me. Score points and get to the QB. Great defense IMO has been redefined. You have to be efficient against the run, but you don't have to be smothering. But beyond a shadow of a doubt it is a necessity that you get to the QB. So for me, I'd be happy with Allen or Metcalf at 9; Maybe even Sweat. I think the other areas can be supplemented in other ways.
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I get it. Guys are concerned about the bust rate and sure the WR bust rate in the 1st is high, but so are other positions. When you are picking in the top 10 you are banking on UPSIDE to a degree and maximization of potential. In rounds 2-3 it's mostly BPA and high functionality. Upside is a plus in rounds 2-3.
The Bills, that is US, NEED a WR so why not draft the one with the most upside and potential at 9 IF he's there. Give him 5 years to work things out and see what happens. His potential and upside is unmatched in this draft. This is not to say that other areas on the team go unaddressed. We can still address other areas via FA and the draft. I still say if he is there at 9, which IMO he won't be, you take Metcalf. I don't want mere functionality at WR. That's Zay Jones. We have that. I want massive potential and upside. That's DK Metcalf.
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17 minutes ago, stosh64 said:
Who mentioned he can only run 9 routes?
I must have missed it.
Perhaps I misunderstood "having him run in a straight line"
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4 minutes ago, Reed83HOF said:
His shuttle and three cone are beyond atrocious (Tom Brady had better times). He is a huge target who it seems has issues with bending and changing direction, which is what you also want in a WR. Having top 5 measurables in every other category is awesome, but can he quickly change direction, properly transition through a route, have issues with agility at all including body control?
It is sheer ignorance to ignore this and fall for a fast 40 time, his frame and a bunch of bench press reps....Plenty of failures like this a littered throughout the NFL
Edit: Alshon Jeffrey is not worth a #9 pick either
I'll just say this AGAIN. Metcalf is not a 1 route player. His tape doesn't show that. That said, it doesn't show the entire route tree either and that's the weakness of it. What his tape shows is that he can run the following routes with high effectiveness:
1. 9
2. Slant
3. Post
4. Screen
What you can add in based on those is the crosser. Any route that keeps him moving forward is showcasing his strength. If he's being asked to do double moves (stop and go; zig) then that's where problems are going to surface. To me, if you are Buffalo, and we are, you swing for the fence and that's what selecting Metcalf would be IF he's available. You swing for the fence, bring in one TE via FA, another later in the draft; bolster the OL FA and in rd 2. Supplement the Defense via FA.
Lastly, I didn't ask if Jeffery was worth the #9 pick. I asked if he and Thomas were NFL quality wide outs. A question that got glossed over. Now what might be inferred from that is whether are more athletic and explosive Alshon Jeffery, D. Thomas is worth the #9 pick.
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15 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
WR Terry McLaurin
WR Anthony Johnson
DT Jerry Tillery (could go sooner)
RB miles Sanders
I really like Tillery in the 3rd but I think he'll go in rd 2.
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39 minutes ago, Misterbluesky said:
The only bad thing about that happening would be opening up the vault,he's looking for a big pay day.
And he hasn't shown he should get major dollars.
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1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:
If we just run one of our WRs in a straight line and require no cutting - DK all the way. If you want a real NFL WR, I don't see DK being that guy. In any event drafting this high with this talented of a draft class, no way is DK worthy of #9
Would you consider Demaryius Thomas a real NFL WR? Alshon Jeffery? Metcalf is essentially those guys with more explosiveness and speed. Also to reduce Metcalf to running 9 routes shows ignorance. He certainly needs to refine his route running but to say he is only good running 9 routes is sheer ignorance and lack of film study.
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I'm biased. I want JoeJuan Williams. He ran a 4.8 though yikes lol.
Ran alot better 4.6 but it's still slow. Much like Levi last year. He did everything well except the 40.
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5 minutes ago, badassgixxer05 said:
If he wasn't running the right routes, wouldn't we see some sort of reaction from the QB or coaches at some point? It was actually the opposite we heard that Zay was the one helping another Lazy dumb WR on the team get in position most of the time. Again does Zay need to get better to be a true #1, no doubt about it, but to think he is a bum and will be off the team after showing growth last year just seems silly to me. I'm just glad the kid stayed on the field and was able to grow with Allen. Them two building more on that will be great for both of their development going forward. Can't wait for camp!
He's not a bum. It's just when you seriously begin to think about answering the question, what is his role going to be? that's when the doubts surface. He struggles on the perimeter vs press coverage and getting separation down the field. He doesn't have the quick shiftiness to play the slot. What is his role then, unless we will be asking our slot WR's to do different things like digs, crosses, posts?
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1 minute ago, billsfan_34 said:
My philosophy is fix the lines first. We by far had the worst line in the NFL.
To me this is not an either or deal. It's a both and deal. We can address the line in FA and rounds 2-4 in the draft with really good starter level talent.
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1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:
To me Zay is not a fit in the slot in the offense Daboll wants to run. He wants shifty, quick change of direction types in there. Zay was rafted for a different offense by different coaches. Dennison and Kubiak have utilised "big slot" types to good effect in their offenses. Daboll less so.
EDIT: Not saying Zay won't make the team..... I don't think he is a lock though..... and if he makes it I suspect it is outside not in the slot on this offense.
I'm starting to think this too, even though I have advocated that he needs to be in the slot. He hasn't shown the quick shiftiness to get open and run those short quick routes from the slot.
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To me you draft him and ask him to do the following:
1) Screens
2) 9/Go routes
3) Deep Post routes
4) Slants
5) Deep Crossers
You don't ask him to run double move routes that's all. I'd say he's a Demaryius Thomas archetype with more speed and explosiveness. To me he fits in great with Josh Allen's abilities. Now that I think about it I would probably actually try to also get a guy like Andy Isabella if he's still there in the 3rd and have him man the slot. He can run all of the quicks and double moves. That would me bye to Zay unless he can show he has the agility and speed to get open on the short routes.
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6 minutes ago, ProcessAccepted said:
I'd be too concerned to risk using the #9 pick on him. The talent level he'll face in the NFL is way higher than college. A one dimensional WR will be chucked at the line of scrimmage and the DC will roll the safety over for support. There's a lot of quality WRs in this draft. I'm not convinced that in 5 years we'll be viewing DK as the best WR from this draft class.
This dude had no problem vs press coverage even against Alabama. That's one of his strengths. He knows how to beat the press. Now where i agree with you is that the talent level is higher. Where I disagree is that he will have problems with press coverage. And if a coordinator rolls support towards him that's what you want. It leaves Foster 1 v 1 to do his thing and it opens things up for the slot WR, HB and the TE in 11 personnel sets. And it leaves one less person the defense can use to spy Allen unless teams want to begin conceding the 4th rusher or running mush rushes which will give Allen time to find a WR as long as he's patient.
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2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
I hear ya bud, I just think he's a luxury pick that we don't have the luxury of drafting at 9 when our lines need just as much attention. A better O line helps Allen just as much, if not more, than DK does IMO
Which is why I've always advocated
Rd. 1 Metcalf if there.
Rd. 2 Chris Lindstrom or Dalton Risner. -Fix the interior first. Build from the inside out.
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4 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
Run first. Play action. Speed can be found anywhere. It doesn't have to come in the form of DK at 9. To me, speed and strength is his top qualities. If he's gonna be just used as a deep threat, that's attainable at a lower cost. What we need that we don't have, is a big bodied, smoothie route running possession reciever
I'm not reducing Metcalf to a speed guy. He can run comeback routes; Digs; screens, Posts. His tape shows that. Jones needs to play the slot in that possession role along with the TE. Metcalf can actually catch. Beating the press at the line is another of his top qualities. It's more than speed and strength.
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I'd take DK and if I want a TE I'd take Irv Smith from Bama in rd 2/3
1 hour ago, ProcessAccepted said:I'd have to go with TJ since DK performed so badly on the tests for ability to change direction. The cone drills and 20 yard shuttle really showed some holes in his game. Other than that the guy was off the charts ?
They did? His game is on tape, not his 3 cone. His game shows he's agile enough to run a post route with ease, which Allen is great at throwing; a 9 route, which Allen can sling; a screen, which Allen can make the strides to throw; a Deep Dig, which Allen can sling; A comeback, which Allen can absolutely rip. Metcalf is the perfect perimeter WR for the Bills, especially to combine with Robert Foster.
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7 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:
Because we dont need to take another huge swing this year imo. Allen at 7 may not of been BPA but we needed a franchise QB. But who knows what the Bills draft board looks like. I would like to think we go BPA and if they think DK is it so be it.
Where we got Edmunds was pure value. I think he was BPA- again just my opinion. That said, I dont like him in the middle- he tackles too high and needs to get lower. I see him better suited for the outside.
Near 32nd in the league in passing suggest to me that we do need to take another swing. And to add, one of the worse rushing backfields, with the exception of the QB, to mean it says you need better OL, but you also need another threat to take the top off so defenses can't just sit on the run game. We have a QB with an arm, we need perimeter WR's who can fly and make defenses pay. Why do people not want this? It will actually open up the run game too.
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4 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
The potential combination of Allen to Metcalf should make any Bills fan smile. Metcalf helps Allen tremendously. That's where I'm at.
After free agency, we'll get more of a sense of what Beane may do in the draft.
I look at it this way. Not only does he help Allen. If we run 11 with Metcalf and Foster on the perimeter, what's the defense going to do run the risk of covering Foster and Metcalf 1 v 1 so they can defend the run with an extra player? He has the potential to help the entire offense.
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1 minute ago, BuffAlone said:
Those were two QB's. T hats a little different than skill players
Edmunds isn't a QB per say. And even if he was, a swing for the fence pick is a swing for the fence pick. We had the near 32nd passing attack in the league last year and to me you fix that by addressing the OL and infusing the best talent at the WR position when you have your franchise QB in house. There are a lot of guys that have better production due to availability. But you're not going to find any with that talent. Take him if he's there.
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2 minutes ago, BuffAlone said:
Thats cool. I'm not saying he's not talented. Im saying that his talent/ skill does not fit us at #9 overall. Let's not act as if tho QB's above any other position are not the exception to the rule. I'm saying we can get an immediate return if we draft an elite D or O lineman at 9 and get a very good WR later in the draft that may be comparable to the production we'd get out of DK in the offensive philosophy that McBeane chooses to operate
And what philosophy is that? If last year was any indication, a lot of vertical routes were in many of the game plans.
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11 minutes ago, the skycap said:
I'd trade back to acquire more picks/talent
I'm taking Metcalf. I'll use a Gettlemanism. Do I want a quarter or do I want two dimes and a nickle. I prefer the quarter.
3 minutes ago, billsfan_34 said:Alot of people get so wrapped around strength and speed that they forget the finer points or become tunnel visioned because they like what they see. Maybe DK has a fine NFL career- hindsight is always 20/20 but everything I see right now gives me concern and at 9 it would be a huge reach.
Here's my thing, if you were not concerned about Allen and Edmunds last year then why would you be concerned about DK? It's the same kind of pick in my eyes. It's a swing for the fence pick. Those two turned out ok.
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People are complicating this and it is somewhat complicated on whether you take Metcalf or Oliver. I'm a defensive guy and I generally always would take defense first. But in this case I'm taking Metcalf. The way I look at Beane's pattern from last April, man swing for the fence. Allen and Edmunds were swing for the fence picks. They had the size and athleticism that other guys didn't have but they were very unpolished. I think of Metcalf somewhat similarly. He's a swing for the fence pick. And if he is available at 9 if I'm Beane I'm stepping up to the plate looking down center field and I'm pointing the bat at the scoreboard because when I swing I'm trying to hit it. To me it's not complicated. This isn't Darius Heywood Bey. This is a guy that has shown big play potential vs Alabama. I'm not saying he caught a ton of passes and amassed tons of yards, but if you watch that one clip, he knows how to handle press coverage and get behind it; if you watch his game winning catch vs UK he can high point in the redzone and come down with it. He does have break away speed. He has good hands. He will just need to work on the route running and durability.
But alas, if he makes it out of the top 5 he will not make it past Detroit, who picks right before us.
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