BananaB
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Kind of sick of player safety. They get paid more than ever and the game just getting softer. They know the risks, if they don’t want to play they can go do a 9 to 5.
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2 hours ago, PBF81 said:
More than not were quite happy with the Garty signing, but let's not leapfrog the point. The talk here was largely as to why he'd contribute, similarly to the talk about Samuel now.
I know, I did the opposite and took a trash for it. The overhype re: our signings is an annual occurrence.
Otherwise, thanks for letting me know what I think, but unfortunately that wouldn't be correct. 😏
You make a good point about it however, but that's a more advanced and more complex discussion.
I took crap for it too, I hated Beane bringing in both Harty and Sherfield. Two guys who have proved nothing. I believe Samuel has proved himself as a player and think Allen can help elevate his production. Comparing Samuel to Sherfield and Harty is laughable. The only thing they have in common with him is that they signed with Buffalo in month of March.
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Game keeps getting dumber and dumber
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1 hour ago, PBF81 said:
No, two IMOs, one has a chance to, a likely will, and an assumption that we'll draft a viable WR capable of doing what you suggest.
There's quite a bit of room for things not falling the way that you say.
Again, much of the talk about Harty last season was the same as that for Samuel now. Doesn't matter the kick out the door talk now.
Unlike known disappointments like Harty whom everyone was talking up at this time last year, or the perennially underachieving Samuel I suppose.
A lot of people weren’t happy with the Harty sign. Samuel has proven he is consistent player in this league where Harty had one solid season. To be honest I think your biggest problem in this chat is you think the O is gonna be similar to Daboll and Dorsey, it’s not. Davis disappeared when McD made the change at OC, so looking for a guy to fill his roll the way he was used previously might not be needed.
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5 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Well, considering that I'm not the one, among many, arguing that simply because a WR comes here that his numbers (aka TDs) will increase to the point of replacing a WR that averaged 7 TDs/season on an average of 5 targets/game, my answer would be that it depends upon the WR.
Which gets us back to the initial points of the discussion, at least insofar as I brought up. Thinking that a WR that's averaged about 500 yards and 3 TDs/season without any particular propensity for the end zone, is all of a sudden out of the blue going to do much more than provide #3 WR production here is not an argument that I'm making.
If people want to argue contrarily, great. I guess that's why we're here. We'll see how it plays out, but most WRs that have come here have not done that, namely significantly increased their production. Naming only one that has significantly, and another that has, only marginally despite the lack of competition for his role in the #1 spot, doesn't seem like a strong argument.
Hence my comments stating given the present situation.
Once again, let's hope that we draft a WR in round 1.
Yeah cause 0 catches in 4 out 6 games is hard to duplicate
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6 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
We'll see what this season brings. Hopefully Samuel will be the 1,000 yard 8 TD WR that people seem to believe he will be.
BTW, I certainly wouldn't have wagered against 15 rushing TDs either. Cook isn't a goal-line RB and doesn't even carry the ball on 3rd-downs.
Great! We can all look forward to Samuel being the difference this season then. Looking forward to it.
The off-season ain’t over yet Bud. There still is this thing called the draft that they can possibly get another contributor. Either way, Brady’s offense helped us have a huge winning streak over the toughest part of their schedule. During that run Gabe had 4 games without a catch 🤷🏼♂️
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3 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
If you want to join in, I'd highly suggest reading what I wrote to start this first.
Brady took over mid season, I think he surpassed his expectations. He got more players involved in the O and it wasn’t just dependent on Diggs and Gabe. I expect more this season. And considering Gabe was a ghost in his offense I’m even more happy the Bills didn’t pay him.
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8 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
I found it difficult to believe that he was below 30 this season. I'd have wagered a grand prior to the season on 30+.
As a team, our offensive scoring was slightly less under Brady. Under Brady, our offensive scoring would have been good for 8th in the league on average using his 7 games in the regular season. That's underachievement. Over the last three games of the season we averaged fewer than 20 ppg. Much as with Dorsey over the first four games of the season, we came out swinging, sort of, against the Jets, Eagles, and Cowboys,
Now our biggest scoring WR is gone, we still have no #2 of the caliber that everyone's claiming we need. Diggs, apparently, is in decline. Why, at this point and things unchanged, would our scoring be better than it was last season? Who knows, maybe we'll be #1 in scoring this season. Right now things don't seem to be aligning in that way however.
OK, then why haven't any of the other WRs that we've picked up since Allen's been here improved as such?
Seriously, why not?
Beasley, Brown and Diggs have all had the best years of their career with Allen. What are you talking about?
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23 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
You nailed them. Beasley, he's the only one with a pronounced increase however.
Brown, not so much although it's debatable. Improved, yes, but to suggest that it was significant in his case may be a bit of a reach. His two best seasons, one here ('19), one in Arizona ('15), were all but carbon copies of one another.
In AZ he posted 1,003 yards and 7 TDS, here he had 1,060 yards and 6 TDs.
On a per start basis, here vs. elsewhere, he averaged marginally more, but not significantly more. If we applied the same percentage increase to Samuel, Samuel would go from being about a 500 yard & 3 TD WR to a 700 yard and 4 TD WR. Not much more. We'll need more than that from somewhere.
Otherwise, and thanks for answering, but if those are the only two examples, that's pretty much the point. Consider all of the other WRs that we've picked up that have done nothing, or even worse than they've done elsewhere.
It's hardly a guarantee either. Everyone's saying the exact same things about Samuel that they said about Harty last year. It's typical.
Is that the point that I've been making?
You keep going on about the TD stats and having a good QB makes a big difference
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17 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Oh, I forgot to include other facts.
Davis has logged a TD for every 11 targets.
Samuel every 22 targets.
Someone's going to have to step up
No weight at all for 8 weeks is not common. Particularly for someone with an athletic/fit build.
But that's fine, well see either way. Presumably your implication is that he'll easily be back at 100%.
If we've learned anything as football fans over the years, isn't one of those things along these lines.
Look at Tre. Who among us thought that he would suck as bad as he has. He was tops in the league.
Do you actually think Gabe would have the same results playing with some of the below average QBs Samuel has played with?
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7 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:
What's the point? That a high TD to overall receptions ratio is indicative of a good "scoring" player?
Look at the top 10-TD scoring wide receivers in 2023.
https://www.nfl.com/stats/player-stats/category/receiving/2023/REG/all/receivingtouchdowns/DESC
The averages are all over the place. To me Gabe Davis having a high ratio is more an indictment of his non-red-zone receptions than it is some indictment that other Bills players can't score touchdowns.
Devante Adams had 103 receptions and 8 TDs, both more than Gabe ever had. Yet that average is "only" 1 TD one every 13 receptions. That's worse than Diggs who you point out as being the next closest to Davis but you say it's "not even close" when it comes to other Bills players scoring TDs.
What does that metric mean? Would you rather have Davis than Adams? Really? Your "efficiency" just proves Davis is really, really not a factor between the 20s.
Once again, you say this:"There isn't a player on our roster, during McD's entire tenure, that even approaches Davis' ability to score TDs.
The best we have is Diggs and he's averaged a TD every 12 catches."
I'll take Diggs poor TD-to-reception ratio and 1,183 yards and 8 TDs in 2023 over Davis' 746 yards and 7 TDs despite Davis' way higher TD to reception ration.
In fact, I'll take any of Digg's years over any of Davis despite Davis having a higher TD-to-reception ratio.
Who wouldn't?
Davis has scored 27 TDS the last 4 years and DIggs has scored 37 TDs in the same span. Yet because of "efficiency" you make this claim:
"There isn't a player on our roster, during McD's entire tenure, that even approaches Davis' ability to score TDs.
Nonsense. A TD is a TD and Diggs has scored a lot more than Davis. And he has had a lot more yards between the 20s than Davis. I don't give a flying f*** about "efficiency."Has any WR on the Bills had as many targets as Gabe the past 4 years besides Steph?
How many drooped passes has he had compared to any other player over 4 years? How many INTs when he was targeted over the past 4 years? How many miscommunications with Allen?
Dude is just a very inconsistent player. He’s made a lot of big plays for the Bills, but there is also a lot of negative plays. We need an upgrade at #2 and it would have been great to keep Gabe as the #3, but not at that price.
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1 hour ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
yes it’s become a troubling theme. It’s likely due to a number of factors…such as teams being permitted to hold/interfere with WR’s in the playoffs /
us not scheming players open or using motion enough /
not having a legit threat on offense to take attention away from Diggs
Everything but Diggs right. 🤏
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On 3/20/2024 at 7:41 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:
It continues
They can have him. Hard to win Championships when the guy you’re counting on doesn’t play his best in the playoffs.
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2 hours ago, Beast said:
I don’t know, call me an idiot but I’ll take McDermott’s evaluation of those positions and give it a little more credibility than yours.And to think, the off-season has a long ways to go and we also have a thing called the draft ahead of us.
Ahhh yes, the I trust McD when it comes to DBs argument. Whaley’s scouts were a part of drafting Tre and signing Hyde and Poyer. Taron is a good player but everything else has not been good. Benford is super overrated because of draft position and beating Elam for the starting spot. Jackson always killed us on third down. Wallace was shaky but a good find considering he was a FA. Elam looks like a bust. We had safeties play behind Hyde and Poyer for a couple years and when they got their shot due to injury they were terrible. McD the DB guru is a total myth really.
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It’s good news if McD lasts another 3 years.
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14 minutes ago, QCity said:
Reading this thread it's apparent that many have never seen Samuel play. A lot of people are taking his stats and measurables and trying to contort them into a version of himself that they want him to be, rather than what he is - a slot and Z receiver that will also take snaps out of the backfield. He is not a Davis replacement and he is not a boundary receiver. There is still a big hole at the X receiver position that is going to have to be filled with a high draft pick.
A slow deep threat who can’t catch won’t be hard to replace. Davis was lucky to keep his roll for so long after so many poor performances. Having more weapons underneath in Brady’s offense seems more important. Guys who can get open quick.
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Sadly Tyreek is one of the NFL poster boys despite his past and the continued altercations. It’s ***** pathetic to be honest with you.
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4 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:
Pretty small sample size.
If Diggs is moved this year we would have to call it a rebuild year with a goal of sneaking into the playoffs.
Yes, he had a huge hand in their 7 game winning streak after the bye. His performance was unmatched. Lmafao
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3 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
If they draft a bust that falls on them and they should be fired for it. McBeane are Wildcard Champs! That's what kind of team they continue to build get ready for it once again next season .
I agree. I don’t have Super Bowl expectations but I think Samuel can help this team.
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Just now, Trust The Process said:
The WR depth in this draft is strong. Why spend $8M per year on a JAG l Iike Samuel who’s lucky to get 100 targets when you can draft a WR for a lot less money to do the same? Once again, Quintessential bad asset management by Beane.
Also, Samuel lines up 53% of the time in the slot which will take snaps away from mostly Shakir followed by Kincaid which is a huge mistake. When Samuel lines up as a X Receiver he’ll compete for snaps with the player we draft.
In 2023, Samuel’s snap share was 56.7% which is what I envision he’ll get here in Buffalo. In my opinion that’s not a good return on investment when I could draft a WR for a lot cheaper in a strong receiver draft.
Hollins shouldn’t have been signed for up to $3M per year either when we could’ve drafted a WR on Day 3 to do the same or more for a lot less money.
What happens if the guy in the draft isn’t ready to play or turns out like a guy like Jalen Raeger? You know, a bust. Samuel is a good reliable receiver that can help in many ways. Do you care more about who makes the plays or if they are getting made? After Diggs downfall late last season Samuel may take some of his snaps. Who cares if Brady gets the O running on all cylinders
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13 minutes ago, NastyNateSoldiers said:
I doubt that big-time! He's here to take snaps away from Shakir or maybe we don't take a Wr high in the draft either way to me that's bad news.
So now we have 3 guys that can play all over the field. What’s the problem? Who knows what they get in the draft but a more reliable target that just doesn’t run a handful of routes is definitely an upgrade. Maybe he’s here do take some snaps from Diggs. He wasn’t quite himself the second half of the season.
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9 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
His entire body of work maybe? Or is it the meth you're taking that makes you think a guy who's been a complementary piece on offense is going to suddenly emerge after 7 years as a bonafide #2 guy? Do you also believe Mack Hollins is the replacement for Diggs as well?
Because he ain’t a scrub like Sherfield and Harty. Hollins is a scrub to and shouldn’t be in the same conversation as Samuel. Samuel has been a solid player and has produced pretty consistently. No who else was like that when they came here, Beasley and Brown. They both played their best football with Allen, so has Diggs for that matter. Guess we’ll have to wait and see but I think we got a solid player who has had numerous productive seasons in the NFL, as opposed to Sherfield and Harty who Beane signed having one decent season. Hollins can be put in that category too
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Davis was a mainly a deep threat because he was slow and couldn’t get separation early in routes. Very one dimensional player with poor hands. Samuel might be a bit of a Jack knife but he’s versatile, he can get open and he got reliable hands. You now have 3 guys like that so can put stress in defences… Teams were catching on to what Gabe does, it has lead to negative plays.
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4 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:
Probably… Josh will talk him up … but in reality he will be the last guy he looks forNot sure it’s talking him up by giving a man a compliment, just how the posters on this board will take it
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Hip drop tackle officially banned
in The Stadium Wall
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I thought horse collar was pretty clear cut but now a days it isn’t. Just more “this is how the refs seen it” rules that will help them manipulate games…. Basically more rules to help the Chiefs win in crucial moments, fans are getting sick of all the other calls that go their way