Stank_Nasty
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without seeing the formula from which these rankings came from the initial elephant in the room to me, in the afc, is the ravens.... 5th best shot? really?
seems to me they've been trending downward since 2012. i mean, i remember thinking when they were 3-0 last year that they were one of the least impressive 3-0 teams ive seen in a long while and then they only got worse.
and color me a homer, but werent we within a game of the playoffs all the way into week 16? and yet the bills are ranked that low? debatable i'd say.
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Not a bad signing overall.
Much more worried about our JV secondary. If we don't get constant QB pressure as well though this current secondary will get absolutely torched all day.
i dont see any reason that cant happen if they let the guys up front going huntin' like the previous 2 years before rex showed up. i mean if you think about the 5 primary rushers that will being after the qb, its really quite impressive.
i agree. the secondary is worrisome.... i'm cautiously optimistic that rush can help them out quite a bit though.
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Well the 4th Quarter Comeback and game winning drive stats tell us something.
its fairly evident thats big part of taylors game that needs working on. but to turn a blind eye to the teams alex smith has had around him in the debate is just so foolish.....
more so than anything its pretty obvious that smith has won on a regular basis becuz of the good situations he was involved with in each city.... lets not act like his 15 td's last year was lighting anyone on fire. smith doesnt make big mistakes, he's efficient(sound like anyone you know?) and his team supports him on both sides of the ball.
it would be hard to convince me that taylors play wouldnt have gotten the chiefs of the last couple years to the playoffs or the niners that smith had a couple years ago as well.
glossing over that and just picking and choosing weak points of taylors that help your arguement is just silly
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well that puts winston on my "do not draft" list for fantasy football this year. fitz ALWAYS finds himself starting eventually. lol
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obviously not reasonable to expect a return to what he was but he went under the radar for a couple years while he was remarkable there in Zona.
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that is very debatable.
Score more than once and the Ravens game that they lost by 6
Score first in OT against the Fins and the Bills WIN.
Don't give up the passing game vs the Raiders in the 2nd half with one of the worst passing defenses.
three games would = WC and playoffs.
i cant freaking believe anyone would pin anything from that game on taylor. what the hell more do you want from the guy there? he plays out of his mind in that game as whole. drives down for the go ahead score with less than a minute left. then put together a good drive in OT before an absurd reverse to bush ruins it and then the kicker misses the kick......... and somehow you find something to b*tch about there. YIKES.
btw. i agree taylor left plays on the table all season long and it may have cost us..... but on the season as whole one unit did their jobs way better than the other.
i just cant believe anyone would try and use that 2nd miami game as an argument against him. thats absurd to me.
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I'm not sure what your point is. Suffice it to say that you earlier pointed to Miami's "team" as the reason they made the postseason, but we had better runners and a better defense last year. And, you say, a better QB. So why did we go 7-9 and they made the playoffs? And they had to play Brady twice, not once.
I think it may be time to challenge some of your assumptions about Miami's "team" and just how good they were.
so are you trying to say the fins got to the playoffs based on qb play? becuz thats absurd.....
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Another poster that never came close to bringing legit discussion to any Bills board crying about someone that will say whatever it is that he believes, and does so while maintaining a level of respect and proper conduct. Can't say the same for you, though, Mr. word edit.
I can't shed a tear for you.
Oh, contrare.
I'm actually a huge Bills fan. Dare I say that I'm quite possibly a bigger fan than you since I refuse to accept failure and want more for this team and our fans than the crap we've had for what seems to be forever now.
This board allows posters to criticize the Bills...this is something you and others have a real hard time dealing with.
If you want a happy place where no poster can be critical of this team or it's players, you may need to go somewhere else.
And yes...I will continue to enjoy the pain my posting causes posters such as yourself because you simply haven't shown the ability to just stick to discussion and respect someone else's POV. Instead, you and others have chosen to attack, criticize, lie and complain.
It's really tough to be sympathetic to folks like that.
does anyone else find the bolded ironic?
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off topic but am I the only one that winced and sighed in huge disappointment and utter sadness when migrating over to this board after BBMB shut down and saw that "Crusher" had made his way over.....
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I didn't know about Fahey until 2 years ago and started paying more attention to him. He's in his mid 20's and from Ireland...I don't think they have high school American football there.
I started becoming skeptical of Fahey when he called Vernon Adams the best QB prospect in last years draft...ahead of Wentz and Goff. He said he deserved to be a first round pick. I bought it because I heard good things about Fahey. Well Adams went undrafted and cut in camp and now plays in the CFL....as a back up.
I know all experts get evaluations and predictions wrong but this one was really bad...head scratching bad.
well then this settles it. can we all please go back to arguing about comp%, Rating, and other stats for the layman.
and the bolded made me LOL. that's just classic there! hahaha.
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This is exactly right. Exactly. They have a decent quarterback who makes their team competitive while they look for either (1) Taylor to get better or (2) a better choice.
This struck a nerve with me. I struggle with calling him "good," too. Maybe he's good. I'm not sure.
Put his two seasons together and compare him to all the other QBs in the league for the same two years (which would leave Dak Prescott out), Taylor is someplace around 10th in the league. I thin his passer rating is about 12th, and he's the best running QB in the league.
But you're correct - downright maddening. Those who cite his late-game performance are also correct - he just hasn't looked like a keeper in crunch time. He's done it occasionally, but not as often as we'd like or "good" QBs get it done.
I'm more of a Taylor booster than most, because I believe he's still learning. I think he, like every QB, needed to get a couple of years playing under his belt. It's a bit of a setback to be starting over with a new offense, but even so, the couple years' experience, on the field, under fire, should make a difference. One of the reasons I'm optimistic is that he's an extraordinary athlete. He throws the ball beautifully, his throws have a lot of zip even though he doesn't have the size (leverage) of the bigger guys. A second reason I'm optimistic is his work ethic. He REALLY wants it.
On the other hand, if others are right when they say he doesn't anticipate and he throws short balls poorly, he may never be able to correct those things.
But for now, until something better comes along, he's pretty, uh, good.
pretty darn accurate summary i'd say. I totally agree with everything here..... I've said it too many times already but I think it needs repeating sometimes around here. if I had come to a group of bills fans and said going into week 17 you'll have the 6th scoring offense and league record low 9 turnovers through 15 games, EVERYONE would take that ALL DAY EVERYDAY. anyone saying differently cant be taken seriously and is honestly trying to be difficult for the sake of it. taylor had ups and downs but at the end of the day he led a legit offense that would have been dancing in mid January if he had an support around him. namely on defense. Complete/well rounded teams can win a lot of games with a guy like taylor at the helm(nobody can convince me alex smith has been noticeably better than taylor over the last 2 seasons).
steve young had said after the season ended, when taylors return was up in the air, that he would love to see taylor land with a "qb-centric" staff dedicated to helping him hone his craft. that he was very excited for the qb taylor may become..... I hope dennison brings that kind of love to our qb's.
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Your giving some folks too much credit
The simple fact of the matter is some people would not be happy if we had Tom Brady at quarterback.....were in the playoffs every year.....all that.....some people are just not happy unless they are bitching about something.
The simple fact is.....TT is a "good" qb
Everyone wants a franchise qb
The search continues
little too inconsistent for me to be able to call him a "good" qb. but I certainly think he has some very good moments. I also find him just down right maddening at points. but as a whole I think he's a solid option. he's not breaking the bills bank nor is he stopping them from still progressing their search for a star prospect.... I think its really just that simple. dunno why people are losing their minds over it.
but you're right. at this point, even if we find our way to the postseason and he has a solid year, there are going to be people in the stands that have their minds made up and wont buy in.
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Folks want a top 10 qb
Hard to find these guys....
even still..... you would think they would have enough brain to realize taylor really isn't breaking our bank and keeping him doesn't mean we cant still look for a star qb.
for the life of me I cant figure out why people think those 2 things have to be mutually exclusive. we can keep him at his reasonable price and still do the things necessary to find a young star prospect..... hence the move to have 2 first rounders in the bank for next year.
it really shouldn't cause such an uproar. I personally think they are in a really cool position. We have a solid option at qb that has shown the ability to win as long as the rest of the team shows up, and we have plenty of ammo going forward to make a move at qb we deem fit. pretty cool scenario if ya ask me.
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Why don't you come to the home opener so we can discuss this in person, tough guy?
lol. already booked, bruh...
where exactly i was talking "tough", i dunno. but whatever floats your boat, man.
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Pegula wouldn't jeopardize season ticket sales. He's rolling the dice and hoping Tyrod will suck enough to tank without being as obvious as it would have been had they let Tyrod go. Letting Tyrod go would have necessitated replacing him with a FA. That would have been an upgrade. So it's a calculated risk.
Just get in the top 5 picks and hope KC sucks this year, too. Boom. Rebuild in motion.
only been on here a couple of weeks now and this post along with your "its obvious they are tanking" one on the previous page are 2 of the poorest ive seen yet I think. there were no free agents that were upgrades..... and taylors winning record has been in spite of the defense and their ineptitude over 2 seasons. if somebody has watched this offseason shake out and all they gleaned from it so far is that we are in tank mode... well that's just downright comical. just silly.
if somebody had come to you before the 16 season started and said "the bills will have the 7th ranked scoring offense and record low 9 TO's through 16 weeks" you would have taken that ALL DAY EVERYDAY. there are so many things to point towards on the bills for a lack luster season. taylor and the offense are pretty darn low on that list.
the only think tanking here are your posts from the last couple pages.... just wow. so friggin bad...
SO BAD.
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It's a huge myth that "receivers don't matter." Look at the Bucs, they got Mike Evans AND Desean Jackson AND OJ Howard. Not many people would try to argue Jameis Winston is a worse passer than Tyrod Taylor so why are they concerned about his weapons if he can carry anyone?
well that..... and the fact that hogan had one monster game in the playoffs.... so the fact he only had 36 catches here is on tyrod!
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The leaders of the CoT are out in full force. Time to retreat into the shadows before you all start to call me a hater.
dude you just tried saying hogan was "the guy" in NE after a 38 catch season..... please go ahead and retreat back into the shadows.
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You're straight up ignoring the numbers that people are throwing at you. I'll make it easy:
Hogan in 2015 - 36 receptions, 450 yards, 2 TDs
Hogan in 2016 - 38 receptions, 680 yards, 4 TDs
The Pats had 4308 total passing yards so he accounted for about 16% of their yards.
The 2015 Bills had 3343 yards so he accounted for about 13% of our yards.
Without doing the math he obviously accounted for a lower percentage of receptions with the Pats than he did with us. But he really wasn't that different in New England. Of course he had more yards there, Tyrod is no Brady. But he didn't suddenly become a superstar. He had 2 more catches and accounted for about 2.5% more yards than he did here.
As for Tyrod with and without Watkins/Woods:
With: 62.9% completion, 8.25 YPA, 21 TDs, 5 INTs
Without: 61.5% completion, 6.55 YPA, 10 TDs, 6 INTs
It is simply wrong to say that Tyrod doesn't perform better when better receivers are on the field. This should be painfully obvious without the stats too.
"shadybillsfan" is literally basing his whole argument for hogan off one games worth of work. its absurd. ya cant take a someone like that seriously.
and those numbers you show say it all. it literally cant get anymore cut and dry than that..... but yet a couple posters swear they saw our 4th and 5th stringers open all day!!! just ask them! they'll tell ya! EYEBALL TEST!
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Did you ever think that the stupid part wasn't targeting the other WR's and Sammy more?
You spoke of Hard FACTS. 2 seasons with TT no playoffs.
Now we may be looking at 3. 2 seasons of TT - practically the fewest passes in the league.
2 seasons of TT - teams shut down the run the Bills Lose way more often than not.
The point is that Hogan WAS that guy with Brady throwing to him. As I stated TT not having any good WR's is the lazy mans excuse.
its really really silly to call a wr "the guy" based off ONE playoff game.... that fact that you cant see that is comical.
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Remind me who was the scrub the Bills let go, that guy TT never threw too? I think he broke some kind of playoff record for his new team.
The shtick that TT needs "guys" is a load of ****.
I'm tired of making excuses for why our QB should be great.
hogan has a whopping 2 more catches in 16 than he did in 15 with taylor throwing it to him..... this is a really really stupid argument....
i love how you guys are literally ignoring that his hard facts point towards his numbers being better when he had his starters on the field...... again.... "did you even click on the link?"
probably not. a couple of you will just spew trash onto your keyboards about how you swear you saw wr's open!!!! and thats all that counts! not cold hard stats and numbers! not the injuries!.... b b but i saw backups open!!!!....... get a clue.
TT and Hogan had a nice connection so not sure where you get that he never threw the ball to him.
Hogan is a good vertical threat and Tyrod is an excellent deep thrower.......but when Sammy was healthy he was getting those throws, not Hogan.
its a grasp at straws and just a really dumb point he's trying to make.
Did you actually click the link? His stats are much better when Sammy and Woods are on the field. This would seem to indicate that Tyrod is better at hitting receivers when better receivers are on the field. How do you account for this difference if he simply isn't willing to throw to any open receivers?
of course they didnt. it would make them have to rethink their stance. they dont want to let a little thing like hard facts get in the way!
THEY SAW BACKUPS OPEN! thats all that matters.
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If you feel you fit what I said then that's on you. I responded to Shaw. You jumped in so..........
dude. whatever.... his statement was directed at a convo we were having about the situation..... good talk, bro.
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Shaw,
They should all know this by now. You are wasting your time trying to explain something to those who will not see. Their mind is closed as far as the QB position is concerned, Whaley too for that matter, and nothing we say will make much of a difference.
well beings that his post was directed towards me I feel obligated to respond to this.....
I totally understand what he's saying and its what I also said we should do. go ahead and read our dialogue the last couple of pages before you lump me in with a certain type of person.
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That's the bottom line.
Frankly, I think the most important issue the Bills had going into the draft was quarterback. It's always about the quarterback. The Bills have a quarterback they think might be their long-term starter. They're not sure. They want to see him one more year before they write him a big check or let him go. They needed a contingency plan in case they decide next year they don't want Taylor.
There were two ways to go on a contingency plan. One was draft a QB this season, in the first or second round. The problem with that was that if Taylor turns out to be the guy, you've wasted the pick. The better way to go was what they did - put yourself in a position go after a QB next year if you decide you need one. The trade down in the first round did that for them very nicely - they still got a nice first-round talent, and they now have two picks next year to package if they have to move up in the draft.
And if Taylor has a good season and the Bills decided to ride with him, they have two first-round picks next season to build with.
It was the right move.
it was a catch 22 for me. i wanted them to do what it took to get the team better for taylor and see what happens this year.... but i also understand he may not be the guy and sorta wanted a qb early that could sit and learn for a year or 2 and be ready to step in.
either way i don't know how anyone can view this draft as anything but at least solid.
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Dak Prescott
Yep, crap shoot.
I stand by my statement.
using the exception instead of the rule as the basis of your argument isn't an awesome strategy. there are always outliers.
I didn't see the whole thing, but didn't he drop one f bomb? Or was there more?
G*d damn was in there...... i get he was excited but i was embarrassed for him. he looked like an idiot.
ESPN's Burke Projects the Bills' Playoff Probability @ 14.5%
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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i'm assuming scheduling and other things go into it as well.... regardless. we were in the hunt all the way up until a week 16 loss and the ravens werent scaring anyone.