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2 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:
Urban said he’s going to use him as a “3rd down back”. Ok then ...
he also said that they wanted kadarious Toney there originally and were “heartbroken” that he was gone
So because the Giants made a ridiculous pick given their roster make up, Urban decided that Jax also needed to make a ridiculous pick given their roster make up.-
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18 hours ago, Doc said:
The Bills re-signed Williams and Feliciano (who missed half of the season and played the other half hurt), meaning those 2 positions, along with LT at Dawkins, were set. They retained Morse and adjusted his contract meaning he's set at C. And they are going to keep/develop Ford at LG exclusively after spending a high 2nd on him 2 drafts ago. I didn't think they were going to spend high picks on OL anyway, and it seems to me they had Rousseau targeted from the beginning.
Ford is the lynch pin to us elevating our OL from good to great (IMO).
He was regarded as a cant miss Guard prospect going into the draft.
A full offseason, healthy, starting the season at Guard and let’s hope he’s the answer.
Dawkins, Williams and Morse are all above average at the position, but our Guard play really got exposed in the Playoffs with our inability to run and allowing pressure up the middle.
Feliciano is ok, and we can overcome meh play at one guard spot, but not both, if we want this line to make a jump to the next level.
Scheme and continuity will help as well, but Ford playing to his promise would be huge.
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The Colts were better than us in the Wild Card Game, but we won because Josh Allen is that much better than Philip Rivers.
Same goes for why we are better than Cleveland.
Roster-wise (outside of QB), I’d agree with your rankings. We have a lot of potential, but they have more proven talent.
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I’m guessing we keep 10 on the 53, with 8 active on Game Days.
Locks:
Hughes
Addison
Epenesa
Rousseau
Basham
Star
Oliver
Butler
Competition:Obada, Johnson, Harry, Zimmer, potential FA signing fighting for the last 2 spots.
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1 hour ago, BTB said:
If it is so easy to fill, and if the claims of missing Star was such a big loss, then why did they do nothing to address this last season?
I remember it being mentioned that a lot of teams struggled with this position at times last year because big DL were some of the highest opt out numbers.-
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17 minutes ago, Zerovoltz said:
I used to really enjoy draft "grades" right after a draft was completed....but I've come to understand that grading these right after they happen is a fools errand.
That said....from the outside looking in....looking at the Bills as team that will compete with mine for the AFC title.....I don't think this draft went that well for the Bills. Again...this is all just my own opinion....I don't know your team as well as you all do so I am sure I am missing some information about your roster etc ...but I thought that the Bills would go into this draft looking for opertunities to upgrade the pass rush, the TE position, and the RB position. I also thought Interior D line might come into play as well, but not the most pressing need.
It seemed like the RB's that the Bills might have wanted, just kept getting picked a few spots in front of Buffalo. I am almost positive the Broncos moved up in round 2 to get in front of you guys for Williams. Some of you folks here liked Michael Carter of NC, better than Williams, and the Jets ended up with him. It's not to say Singletary and Moss aren't good backs....but they aren't home run hitters.
I thought maybe the Bills might take a shot at Friermuth when the time came..or maybe one of the later guys like Breven....but no TE taken.
I am not familiar with your O line situation, but clearly you all added some guys there.
I have no idea how this will turn out...the two DE's may be awesome....or maybe one of this....maybe this turns you all into a fearsome pass rushing machine and Beane got it right.....He's been right quite a bit since he's beein there...so certainly I'd defer to whatever he did and trust it......all I am saying is I'm not sure these picks move the needle that much....or enough to take the next step.
I think Etienne was on our radar, but aside from him - I highly doubt we wanted a RB in this draft.
Same for Tight End. The staff REALLY likes Knox. Nobody after Pitts seemed like a guy they’d want.
Pass rush, for sure - and in regards to interior pass rush, we now have 4 DE’s, the two draft picks, Obada and Epenesa, who can kick inside on passing downs.
I really couldn’t tell you what the original plan was going into the Draft.. we dont have any glaring holes. They wanted to upgrade the lines and add speed. Lines definitely got upgraded. Speed, eh, outside of Stevenson, not so much. Swing Tackle was definitely a low key need, as Bobby Hart was our backup before the draft. Then we always take secondary with a later pick or two.
Cant really disagree with much of what we did, aside from my personal hope - given who was available - would’ve been Elijah Moore at 30. That said, the double up on pass rushers made me like the Rousseau pick more, and I wanted Carl Lawson in FA, so I’m cool with getting his clone in Basham.
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2 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:
When we lost in 2020, it was because we lost in the TRENCHES. Every single loss we were utterly dominated in the trenches by more physical lines.
Beane said enough of that BS, we are getting bigger, meaner, and more physical.
This draft made a lot of sense. And their are still viable options in FA to round out any holes they feel we may need to address it positions they want more competition at.
I gave them an A for this draft. You win and lose in the trenches in the NFL, it’s proven over and over again, especially in the playoffs.
All true, but unless there’s injuries, this Starting OL is basically the same as last years Starting OL.
The swing tackles on the sideline might be intimidating though.
Defensive Line will definitely be another story. We should see a very different unit out there now.
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1 minute ago, Doc said:
Edmunds has been miscast as a MLB. It's not his fault they're playing him out of position. Oliver has always needed a true NT next to him. And Epenesa was being told to change how he played last year. I don't think it's growing-up so much as putting these guys in the best position to succeed.
Somewhat agree.If Oliver needs a NT next to him, he’s not what we thought we were getting, but he can certainly still be a weapon.
Edmunds, I just don’t know... I’ll give him this year before I judge. He has insane potential but is just so frustrating. I do agree he could/should be used differently.
Epenesa, yea, seems they messed with his body a bit too much. Hopefully he’s in the shape he needs to be this season.
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6 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
I know this is a lame assessment, but if Rousseau and Basham don’t pan out into NFL starters within the next 2-3 years, the draft should be viewed as a failure.
I am totally fine with Beane being aggressive and taking higher ceiling players with more risk/rawness. But you can’t routinely miss on the first two rounds. His track record so far in those two rounds seems to suggest more misses (and mehs) than hits.
I sort of struggle with what I want out of a GM. For a while, my view was you take the least bustable/least risky guys in those first two rounds. But you also have to have superstar impact players to really go to the next level. So, I have come around to supporting drafting philosophy that balances risk among other factors.
Hitting on QB covers up a lot of other issues, and Beane has made a bunch of strong FA moves/trades/nice draft picks BUT yes... Edmunds, Oliver, Epenesa, Rousseau and Basham is a big time investment into the Front 7... It’s time for Edmunds, Oliver and Epenesa to grow up this year.
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UDFA corners should want to try their luck here. We have openings and actually have played a former UDFA for a couple years.
I do low key expect that we may sign a vet though.
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4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:
I think the Bills should have grabbed a RB.
After Etienne went way earlier than we drafted, it was pretty much good night on RBs.
Javonte Williams at 30 would’ve sent this place into a death spiral.
After he went, it was basically a bunch of dudes no better than what we have.
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If I had someway of knowing our RB1/2 would be Moss/Breida, that would change a lot in how I view this team.
I know Singletary has a nice story about how hard he’s working this off-season, and that’s great, but I’d feel better knowing he has to win the position back.
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9 minutes ago, WideNine said:
I am not seeing a ton of complainers, unless a B or B+ is complaining. If any draft actually lives up to a B grade it is usually a pretty darn good draft when you think of how many prospects wash out a few years in across the league.
I thought they took a few luxury picks and missed a few BPAs at positions of need, but Beane was not working with a ton of picks from the get-go and made the calls he did. I think we can safely say that we are still waiting on Oliver, Edmunds, and Ford to reach that impact potential you expect from where they were taken so some healthy skepticism is not unwarranted.
Beane hit on Allen and that is the biggest feather in his cap right now. He also has shown a solid ability to pick up key FA's when his staff struggled finding the right WRs to fit what they were trying to do on offense Bease in the slot, Brown when we needed to stretch the field, and a #1 receiver in Diggs. They also overpaid for a defensive line that did not get it done last year.
It is a good front office - solid that hits more than they miss and are willing to grow and learn.
I don’t know if I’m considered a complainer, but I think the ones of us who may/may not fall into that category are simply saying why this draft is a B, and not an A.
The C or lower graders seem to be few and far in-between.
I gave us a B, with a retroactive grading clause that if drafting 2 DE’s knocks Addison off this team, it’s a revised A.
I just would’ve loved Elijah Moore AND Marquez Stevenson. Etienne wasn’t available and after Pitts, there were no Tight End upgrades. Diggs-Moore-Beasley-Sanders-Davis-Stevenson would’ve been disgusting, and our WR room would be set for years.
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1 minute ago, Don Otreply said:
Regardless of what the fans say/like, Beane did exactly what he said he was gonna do. He and Sean had a plan an they followed through on it, in a year or two when our older vets on the D & O lines are gone or near gone these quality picks will make paying Josh a whole hell of a lot easier to do, and still have quality players lined up to insure we are not a flash in the pan two year window team. Long term success is the goal.
I 100% agree with the vision to be a perennial contender. I cringe when teams load up for a short window. As a fan, I want sustained success and a shot to win it every year.
We clearly have that view.
I just think Josh deserves another piece.
We’re hoping Knox and the running game develop, while other contenders already have those elements in place.
I will say, on Gabe Davis last year and maybe Marquez Stevenson this year, we feel somewhat reminiscent to those Steelers teams that developed these mid-late round WR’s and out of nowhere they were studs.
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6 minutes ago, Process said:
I hope this is just talk and we are not really going to keep Addison. What the heck is the plan, to rotate 6 DEs? And spend 3 high draft picks on DEs in two years just to have them play 20-25% of snaps?
Cut the fat and move on. Let these young guns get some meaningful playing time. Hughes and even the guy we signed from CAR are enough of a vet presence.
I could see us keeping 6, with Johnson as the man out.
I can’t stand having Addison on this team, but...Hughes and Addison are solely outside rushers. Epenesa, Rousseau, Basham and Obada can all play inside/outside. If we’re rushing DE’s from inside on passing downs, we’ll want quite a few on the active roster.
Could also put Harry on the block, with only Star, Oliver and Butler as locks.
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If they drafted Elijah Moore at 30, instead of Rousseau, I’d probably give them an A.
I get the Rousseau pick. I like the potential of it. If it allows them to cut/trade Addison this offseason, I’ll retroactively bump the draft to an A.
I just feel like Josh deserves one more piece/dimension. We’re asking him to go to war against Mahomes who has an elite WR1, elite WR group, elite TE and a running game AND/OR someone like Cleveland who have a strong WR group, solid TE play and a monster run game and Baltimore who got Lamar a bunch of weapons to go with their running game and TE’s...
And what Josh has (that is proven) is an elite WR1 and strong supporting cast of #2 WR’s in Beasley, Sanders and Davis. Potential at TE and a work in progress run game.
All 4 teams look to have solid OL’s.
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Just now, Coach Tuesday said:
I don’t see how anyone can say we’re the same team now that we’ve added two seriously talented lively young thoroughbreds to our d line. That was the missing link last year. For one thing I expect about 5-10 more forced fumbles this season which by itself can add a win or three to your record.
I really have grown to like the two DE picks, along with adding Obada. Truly, I think we could see a dominant defense again next year...That being said, Front 7 is the one area I need to see it to believe it from this Front Office.
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Tough Draft to immediately analyze (as if any are).
I think it was a very sound, strong Draft...
Made us bigger, more talented and deeper across the lines, took a speed WR/KR/PR and some secondary depth.
Where the fan frustration can come in is that KC, CLE and all our Division Rivals seem to have gotten noticeably better.
We have basically the same team, which continuity can be a huge positive, and while deeper - the Draft doesn’t address the fact that KC and Cleveland have more top end talent than us.
We also need to hope the running game woes can be fixed in-house as the only changes are the additions of Breida and Tackle depth.
I wouldn’t be shocked to see another big move between now and the start of the season.
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We could certainly carry 7 WR’s as well.
We go 4 wide a ton. If Stevenson provides speed and is our KR/PR, McKenzie is the gadget guy, and Hodgins is big slot/red zone, it could make sense to have all active on Gamedays.
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Just now, Turk71 said:
they say that 4.45 was slow for him and think he can run a sub 4.4, also that his game speed is as fast as his 40
Yup. Just watch his highlights. Some guys just look different in open space... this guy looks different in open space.-
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I’d be shocked if this guy doesn’t make the active roster.
Phenomenal KR/PR & has blazing speed to be a “take the top off” guy.
Since we got him in the 6th, I’ll write his name in pencil, but I think he’s exactly what we needed.
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Looks like this guy is WR6 as KR/PR/Speed Threat
Kiper says he’s 6 feet, so a burner with some size.
Love the pick!
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I like Cornell Powell. Thought he was a nice player for Clemson, but would be redundant on the outside for us with Diggs, Davis and Sanders.
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I honestly would’ve liked Elijah Moore at 30, but doubling up Rousseau with Basham actually make me like the pick more.
It seems we have an idea of what we want this DL to be, and both have talent and will play this year.
The two OT’s, I get the frustration, but with Nsehke leaving, we didn’t have a swing tackle. Bobby Hart is a Tackle in name only. We throw the ball a ton and need to make sure Josh Allen is making all those throws.
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1. Chiefs 2. Browns 3. Bills
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Bills are really all about “potential”.
Continuity and scheme change are places we probably underestimate. Clearly they believe they can run the ball better, and scheme has been mentioned quite a few times. Re-signing your own isn’t sexy, but there is a reason teams do it... continuity is huge.
Josh Allen has made huge leaps season to season... does he continue?
He is the Offense. We know we have a good Pass Pro OL and WR group. Knox and the running game are potential.
On Defense.. the switch could flip. We have so much talent on that side of the ball now that may or may not be realized.