SoCal Deek
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Why does it feel like the Patriots are going through exactly what the Bills went through following the Kelly era? It’ll be interesting to see how long they wonder in the wilderness.
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8 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
Yep. Please do. Gives us the specific details about this event. Don't just describe a timeshare sales event.
Ugh! First of all, it’s not an ‘event’. I’m suggesting that it sure sounds like the typical 90 minute ‘presentation’ that one gets at a timeshare. Is this REALLY that hard to understand? Or do you just want to argue about an observation?
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7 hours ago, LeGOATski said:
What sales tactic? Give us the specific details of the shady tactics they're using at this event.
Before I do…..Have you ever been to a timeshare presentation? If you haven’t, I’m not sure what experience you bring here.
10 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:Deets when your done.
They can tap dance all they want. All I want to know is what can I afford. Give me a rate card and a break down of amenities.
A clarification: what you really want to know is what it costs, not what you can afford. Asking what you can afford is one of the classic hallmarks of both new car sales and timeshare ‘presentations’.
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25 minutes ago, Chuck Schick said:
Yeah, I don’t get the analogy. It’s JUST like a timeshare condo pitch, other than you are buying something completely different than a tmeshare? 🤔🤔
Sheeesh. For the love of God! It’s the sales tactic not the product. 🙄
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8 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:
Yes but nobody is forcing the Buffalo Bills season ticket holders to buy PSL’s they have mouths they can say no. At the end of day NFL football like anything else is a business. The bottom line like others have said the Bills organization knows this is going to be a hard sell. That is why I said at a point when the Bills can’t sell a lot of the not so great seats in the end zones the Bills are going to have to make hard decisions about PSL’s. Also Bills fans should keep in mind the owner they are defending as wonderful, wonderful makes what between $20 to $30 million a year right now on the Buffalo Bills through television, merchandise and gate.
How much money and profits is enough? Think about that $20 million dollar? The average person would have trouble spending that in a life time if you live a modest lifestyle. Terry Pegula makes that for one year off of the Buffalo Bills. Also this is the same so called Buffalo fan owner is doing business with a snake in Dallas Cowboys Jerry Jones. If Bills fans can’t figure that out and get taken by the Bills that is on them. Again 50 yard line tickets sure they will be hot PSL’s. But end zone Bills seating or worse standing room I wouldn’t pay a dime for PSL’s wait out Terry Pegula on Bills season tickets like that. The Bills organization will eventually panic as we get closer to the new Bills stadium opening and you hear there is no PSL’s on those not so great seats. If Bills fans run down there sign up for PSL’s sure Terry Pegula will laugh all the way to the bank. I don’t feel sorry for Bills fans because they can say no like I said. I wouldn’t even show up for the Bills experience. Yes it’s a nice new clean shiny stadium that will smell like beer and throw up in 5 years like the present Bills stadium. So no PSL’s for Buffalo Super Fan wait out the Bills organization they will give in on the PSL’s because they aren’t going to want to embarrass themselves with empty seats in rows of sections in a brand new stadium the NFL and television doesn’t like that stuff in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo
My issue is NOT with the Bills trying to make money or sell seats. I’d absolutely expect them to. But if you’ve ever sat in a timeshare presentation you’d know it’s one of the most deceitful sales techniques used today. In fact it’s notoriously so! What I’m reading about the ‘Experience’ is that it’s being set up exactly like one of those presentations; and not by accident.
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I was going to make a post showing everyone the robust list of over achievers the Bills have picked in the 4th Round in the last decade or more….but that list is REALLY short! (Really, really short.)
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1 hour ago, BillsFanForever19 said:
Franklin at 28 is pretty much out. He was more of a projection by fans of the board that watched highlights than a consensus 1st Round Pick to begin with.
After a historically bad Combine, both in performance and metrics, dispelling everything that made him a 1st Round projection by some and confirming concerns - he's settled in universally as a mid 2nd Round Pick on all Mocks. Seriously, take a look and find me one person who has him as a 1st these days.
He's no better than WR9 at this point across the board.
What if Franklin purposefully tanked the combine so as to drop right into the willing lap of….the Buffalo Bills! Hmmmmm? 😉
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4 minutes ago, PBF81 said:
Well, think about it, we're talking about a county where the median income is 68k. That's not exactly a honey hole for PSLs and tix in the $200-400 range per game.
They're definitely working it. It is a business. I'm sure we'll start hearing some things once those tours begin. Word and fan sentiment should get out pretty quickly.
Please tell me that the socio economic makeup of WNY isn’t a surprise to the people in charge of this marketing operation. If it is, the Pegulas need to get a new marketing team. Sitting people of less than ample means down in a room and pressuring/guilting them into buying something they can’t afford (or being less than up front with the actual cost of this investment’) is NO WAY to treat your loyal customers.
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I have a football that OJ signed for me the year he gained 2003 yards. The signature is mostly faded after 50 years, but it’s there.
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So it's a no on Zach Ertz....again?
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1 hour ago, BillsPride12 said:
I mean obviously their goal and the point of this is to sell new season tickets and get people to commit(PSL's and all)...what exactly were you expecting?
I wasn't expecting them to use the high pressure tactics that are EXACTLY like those infamously assigned to the Time Share industry. This is the 21st Century. All of this smells like something out of the 1950s.
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1 hour ago, Mr Info said:
First my current club seat rep contacted me and informed me about the new stadium rep who would be following up with me. Then the new rep called me a few days later and discussed attending the stadium experience. I noted to her that I am a remote STH and not in the area often but planned to be there in March. Then today I received the invite from her. On the Bills Stadium Experience site, I could select the date & time for my appt. and whether I was bringing any guests (up to 3).
I’ll say it again….this all sounds more and more like a timeshare sales presentation than anything else….which isn’t a good thing! I’ve been Mr Optimistic through all of my posts on the new stadium, but I’m rapidly changing my mind.
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4 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:
I said crappy teams have to go to the minor leagues. How was that wrong?
I realize there is a difference between a crappy team and salary cap non-compliance, I was just using crappy English soccer teams as an example.
The term clarification isn’t synonymous with wrong. It’s a term that means adding more definition. 😉
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30 minutes ago, Mr Info said:
Just booked my Bills Stadium Experience for March 19 @3:30 pm. The info indicates it will take 90 minutes.
I did the same thing with a timeshare. Be prepared for the sales pitch and be prepared to walk out.
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1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
I imagine we see Josh restructuring today, which gets us under the cap with some room to spare. Should be in good shape for the 11th.
If Beane buys Josh a new pair of pants, does that count against the Cap? Asking for a friend in Paris.
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I’m not the least bit surprised. As offenses focus more and more on the passing game it only stands to reason that safeties, who’ve become more one dimensional focusing less and less on run stuffing, would be de-valued.
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36 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:
What happens if a team doesn’t get under the cap? I know in soccer in England crappy teams have to go to the minor leagues. Is it something like that? Or do they have to move? St. Louis Rams over the cap?
Clarification: In England, teams are relegated because they finish in the bottom three in their league. Likewise teams move up a league if they finish in the Top 3 of the league below. It’s not because of money. With only one true professional football league in America that can’t happen. The closest thing we have here is baseball which has multiple tiers of professional leagues.
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Isn’t that the stuff people sprinkle on their poke’ while sitting on Waikiki Beach? I love that stuff!
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12 minutes ago, Tuco said:
That's technically true. But the alternative was to leave that $8+ million as salary. And if he still didn't produce he would have gotten the money even if he didn't get a single sack. Perspective.
Not saying the new deal isn’t better than the old one….but come on! $1M per sack…..sheesh
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We’ve gotten so used to these o rely inflated numbers but am I right in reading that his new incentive deal equates to more or less $1,000,000 per sack? I mean, really?
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37 minutes ago, Bruffalo said:
I'd be mad if he kept them all. This isn't a knock on Poyer, Hyde, White or any of the others, because I appreciate the awesome plays they made and what they contributed over the years, but they all needed to go.
We have to get younger. I'm not saying the guys that were cut would be holding us back next season, but they certainly wouldn't be pushing us to another level.We have to get cheaper. And the easiest way to do that is by getting younger.
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I saw this coming weeks ago but figured the flamers would’ve been all over the prediction had I posted it. Makes perfect sense.
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Sad? Shocked? Nope! On the contrary, I’d have been mystified if Beane found a way to keep them all. This was all in a word…. inevitable.
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On 2/29/2024 at 9:35 AM, GASabresIUFan said:
Group 1 (29) - Players certain or almost certain to return
Offense (13)
QB - Allen, Trubisky - (signed 3/6)
RB - Cook
WR - Diggs, Shakir
TE - Knox, Kincaid
OL - Brown, Dawkins, Torrence, McGovern, Van Demark, and Edwards (Re-signed 2yrs $6million)
Defense (13)
DL - Rousseau, Miller, Oliver, Jonathan
LB - Milano, Benard, Williams, Spector
CB - Benford, Douglas, Elam, Johnson
S - Rapp - reports have him re-signing (3 yrs $14.5)
Specialist (3) - Bass (PK), Ferguson (LS), (P) Haack (re-signed on 3/6)
Group 2 (4) - Players under contract likely to return, but could also end up as cap casualties if K's not restructured
OL - Morse,S - Poyer- Poyer released 3/6P - Martin
Group 3 (5) - Returning Developmental players
WR- Shorter
OL - Anderson, Doyle
DL - Ankou, Cline
Group 4 (6) - Potential (likely?) cap casualties
RB - HinesHines to be released (3/3)FB - Gilliam
WR - Harty- Harty released 3/6CB - Neal, White- Neal released 3/6, White released with a 6/1 designationS - Hamlin
Group 5 (13) - Futures/Reserve players
QB - Buechele
WR - Isabella, Hamler, Shavers, Thompson
RB - Evans
TE - McKitty, Davidson
OL - Gouriage, Jarvis
CB - Ingram, Brown
S - Williamson
Assuming all of the players in groups 1-3 return, that's 35 of 53 roster spots already spoken for. Admittedly the group 3 players could all end up on the practice squad. Except for Hamlin, all the Group 4 players may return, but it will be at lower cap figures than they currently possess. Hamlin's cap figure is low (1.05 with a 40k dead cap) it's just a question of whether he can earn a job on the 53-man roster. Right now I don't see any of the Group 5 players making the team, but that's what camp is for.
Group 6 (11) - FAs who could be re-signed (or who people here may want re-sign). (I only have an interest in Jones, Epenesa, Ty Johnson and Edwards)
DT - Jones, Joseph
Edge - Epenesa, Floyd
RB - Johnson
S - Rapp - reports have him re-signing (3 yrs $14.5)
OL - Edwards - Re-signed (2 years $6 million)
TE - Morris
CB - Lewis, Jackson
LB -Dodson
Group 7 (12) - Other FAs
DL - Phillips, Settle, Ford, Lawson
QB - K Allen
RB - Murray, Harris, Fournette
WR - Sherfield, Davis
LB - Matakevich, Klein
Group 8 - FA's signed
P - Haack (signed 3/6)
QB - Trubisky (signed 3/6)
You know how big a fan I am of your thread and roster list. I wish more people on here would take the time to review it, instead of going crazy over each individual move. You were spot on! It’s as if you have a peep hole into OBD. Very well done!
So I guess all that’s left now is to see what happens with Gilliam, Hamlin, and Martin?
Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)
in The Stadium Wall
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It’s an interesting question. In most cases this would be called a Design/Build contract in which the Owners (Pegula and the State) would stipulate design criteria to the architect/construction team. Their ‘bid’, sometimes called a guaranteed maximum price or GMP would have to include all of those stipulated criteria…like a certain number of heated seats…be part of the minimum that’s provided within that GMP. This is obviously not a typical construction project but it must have some similar checks and balances.