Mat68
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7 minutes ago, Buffalo4Life01 said:
I don't think anyone is hating on him. He is a very good player. I think people, including myself, don't view his position as the biggest need right now, though yes it is a need.
I think the gap between Dejean and Newton compared other S or DT prospects at 60 is wider than Mitchell or Mcconkey and Wr available at 60. Alot of teams picked a wr in rd 1. Probably expect them to go elsewhere rd 2. Beane very well could get a wr at 60 many want at 33.
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4 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:
Are people hating on Cooper DeJean because they don’t want a defensive player? Even if he is clearly the best available in a pretty thin safety class?
Yes. I wanted Worthy or Leggette. Buffalo did not. The 2 highest rated players available are Newton or Dejean. Most cases you are not exchanging players you picking. I think they asked offense or defense. Big or small. Sorry to break it to some but they are not drafting a wr at 33. Its Dejean at S, Newton at DT maybe Powers Johnson or Fraizer at C as a long shot. Consensus will have Newton and Dejean as the beat availble.
60 and 95 will be wr imo. I think 1 of them is Burton from Alabama.
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Newton or Dejean. If they were targeting a wr they dont trade with Kc or Carolina.
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Allen, Dawkins, Taron Johnson, Bernard, Miller, Ferguson set. than Cook, Knox or McGovern for the final spot.
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4 minutes ago, Dunkirk Donski said:
Told yall we should've signed Ertz
Ertz and Brian Johnson
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22 minutes ago, london_bills said:
I always think of Marquise Goodwin when is see Worthy
Besides the uniform and speed they are not alike. Goodwin never had more than 450 receiving yards in any of his for years. The combine speed list is a list of track of track guys that had little college production or at best 1 year. Worthy has been productive since his freshman year.
On an offense with multiple top 100 picks Worthy was the guy. If he weighed 15 more pounds he would be a top 15 pick. Imo he got leaner than normal because he was chasing the 40 record. I think he will weigh around 175-180 during the season.
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1 minute ago, SCBills said:
Perfect example of that for us would be Terrell Bernard. Pick made no sense in a vacuum of one year for where he was taken, with Edmunds and Milano on the roster.
Fast forward two years and the guy is a key piece of the defense and an absolute stud in our system.
I think the idea is round 1 impact player. Round 2 starter and round 3 role player future starter. Beane has made is money on day 3. He seems to have a good feel. His worst pick is Elam but imo Elam starts for half the league.
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5 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I really thing it's a fool's errand to expect that superior talent can over come mediocre coaching. I think it's a strategy that works, at best, for a year or so, but then you're quickly stuck again with talent that matches every other team. This happens because of the draft, the cap, and free agency. Every team's roster turns over quickly. I think the average is something like a third of your roster changes from year to year. Now, granted, that's weighted toward the lower end of the roster, but there are significant departures almost annually, and certainly over three years. QB is the only position that doesn't turn over. If you have your starter, you keep him. Left tackle is next.
Because of the roster turnover, it's a coaches' league. And because it's a coaches' league, you're always going to be in a hole if you don't have quality coaches. As I said yesterday, Dorsey was a serious mistake. Daboll was decent, and we'll see about Brady, but the Bills essentially wasted two seasons by letting Dorsey run the offense.
If you believe, as I do, that Reid's talent at designing and implementing offense is a major part of the Chiefs' success, I think you also can see how unlikely it is that the Bills could accumulate so much talent that they could overcome what Reid does. His offensive success essentially means that he makes every player on offense better, and it isn't possible to upgrade every position on defense so that the talent of your players overcome the advantage they have because of coaching.
The Bills need a really good OC, and they need to hold on to him for several seasons. I think Brady could be the guy, but I don't know. This season will tell us a lot. The Bills will have the offensive roster they want - yes, even at wide receiver - they'll have an offensive line they have confidence in, and of course they have the QB. It's very much up to Brady, and a part of that is driven by the leadership he gets from McDermott.
I agree about the second, not the first. He said it his presser - it's no fun sitting in on the first night of the draft with no pick. My own rule is that major trade ups in the first round are prudent only for a QB - no other position is worth the draft capital it costs.
True. I think in the heat of the moment he can talk himself into thinking that Vikes 2nd will be about the same as our 1st when we win the superbowl.
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16 minutes ago, nosejob said:
I'd rather...and believe Beane will pull a pick or 2 from next year out of his pocket to make sure we get a handful of impact players this year. We'll have FA money next year, so now's the time for him to ball out.
I think a 2nd next year is in the chamber. If they can go all the way up next years 1 instead of a 2nd is in play.
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2 hours ago, section122 said:
I was trying to find dads that werre succesful and then the son was better than them.
There are tons of families that played just not a lot of elite father son duos.
Manning. That said Marvin Harrison Jr has been a touted recruit. Been hyped his whole career and has met the expectations. That hype and pressure would fold a guy that wasnt it. Especially, now in the NIL about me culture. Seems to be like his dad. Out of the spot light hard worker. If your giving up a ransom you do it for him imo. Otherwise sit and pick our move to 19 to 23.
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As a football junkie the 30 mins from 730 to 8:00 will be a must watch imo. Bill Breaking down his board his way and what to expect Rd 1 will be interesting. Im a Pat guy and would watch either way. I think Bill uncensored on a live mike for 3 hours will change many peoples opinion of him.
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F them picks. If you make a massive move just go all the way. Get Marvin Harrison. Safest pick in the draft.
If they are making a move all this talk about Udunze could be the smoke screen for trying to get Harrison.
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22 hours ago, YattaOkasan said:
Yes it maybe a back up role but back up 3 tech will get a lot of snaps. They will likely play ~50% of the snaps. Do we have another position where a player @ 60 could get that many snaps (let alone impactful snaps)? Safety, WR, iOL are the only ones I can think of. Safety and iOL they would have to beat a vet for the job which shouldnt be an expectation, and I would argue 70% of snaps at WR is less impactful than 50% snaps at DT because every DT snap matters and not every WR snap matters.
In terms of Ed's contract, I like the idea of him and a rookie ending their contracts at similar times so we can presumably have his replacement ready to go when his extension is at an end. I dont think that would be a tough pill to stomach. I would be pumped for obvious passing downs to have Rousseau, Fiske, Ed, AJ. Thats a young group that I think could get after it (especially up the middle).
I think you get more out of edge at 60. Same ability to enter the rotation but replacement for Von Miller is more pressing than replacement for Jones. Having the ability to collapse the edge without leveraging the rush lane is more important in the NFL vs college. Trice, Braswell, Issac or Kneeland imo would be more impactful than fiske day 1 and a clearer path to a larger role in 25.
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15 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
I thought (I could be wrong) that NFL.com used the official data from the combine. They typically lack data from players who didn't participate in drills at the combine, for example, even if data from their college pro days is out there. Of course a typo is possible anywhere, I guess.
I'm not paying so much attention to his height and weight, as to his scouting report because Zierlein usually says stuff I nod about if I come back to it in a couple years. I "get it" that there's an argument to be made for BPA, but taken to its extreme obviously you could wind up with a team full of DE and no DT or something. So "need" has to crawl into there somehow.
Like many here, my perception of the Bills current best receivers (Kincaid, Samuel, Shakir) is that all of them do their best work with a free release, and none of them are at their best trying to win a release against press man on the boundary. Samuel can do it, but I think I read his most recent years have been ~75% of his snaps from the slot. Shakir can play on the boundary but at best "he has to demonstrate" against press man and his short arms handicap him there.IMO, we really have lacked someone with the tools to win against "sticky" physical coverage even with Diggs on the team the last couple of years and it's cost us in playoffs. It certainly cost us in 2019 when our top receivers were 5'10 John Brown and 5'8" Cole Beasley, and Allen wound up directing critical throws to Duke Williams and Pat DiMarco in the playoffs 'cuz Brown and Beasley were being erased.
So when I read stuff like " lacks play strength and release quickness to defeat a quality NFL press" and "lacks the physical tools to catch when contested and needs to prove he can hold up to a more physical brand of football" as well as "needs to improve efficiency and quickness getting off the ball. Lack of hand strength gets him bullied on contested catches......Takes reps off when he’s not expecting the throw to come his way......Fails to adjust his speed to ball placement consistently enough." I have a hard time seeing him as the right match of "need-adjusted BPA" or whatever it is being called now.
Of course, as Beane has pointed out, there are different ways to fill needs, so if he falls to us and we've rated him as BPA because they have enthusiasm for his potential, So Be It but I'm going to have uncomfortable CJ Spiller flashbacks if the Bills trade up for the guy.
I honestly can't pretend to know enough about college football to have a meaningful personal opinion about who we should draft, but I do have views about where the Bills current roster has shown itself lacking the previous season and likely to lack after new-league-year roster moves.
Beane was a big body guy. Drafted Benjamin and trade for him. Brought in Andre Holmes. Soon realized that was not the best method and went with Jon Brown, Cole Beasley and Diggs. Need a guy that can beat man coverage and stress a defensive deep. The big body red zone threat should be Kincaid. Need a deep threat most. Thomas, Worthy, Franklin and Walker. Wildcard is Burton. I am 100% convinced that is why Beane choose Alabama's pro day over Texas, to get first hand intel on Burton.
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I work til 4-5 Thursday. Grill some chicken and be ready to go draft time at 730. Last 3-4 years I have become a non traditional draft watcher.
Started with bleacher report with Lefkoe and Simms. This year with Buffalo picking late I will mainly watch the Pat Mcafee draft spectacular. Having Bill Belichick on a hot mike uncensored for the duration of rd 1 is a must watch for me. On the clock I will go to a national crew because I assuming Pat and boys will be way off the rails by than but would want Bill’s analysis.
Days 2 and 3 exclusively bleacher report. Analysis and grade of every pick in real time. The ESPN and NFL network coverage becomes a variety show.
Before having a full time job and a family I really hated the change from saturday and sunday. That was like the start of summer when I was college age. Now I much appreciate being able to see the complete first 3 rounds live.
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1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said:
As an FSU fan, Fiske is the guy I want to see on the Bills. Great guy by all accounts, incredibly hard worker, relentless motor, and has the will to want to dominate. Love the kid, mentality, and player. I think he has a chance to go in the top 40 and should be gone by 50 but he is an older prospectI dont see him as anything but the second 3 tech on the roster. Tough to draft a guy at 60 to be a back up. Oliver coming off a career year and new extension isnt going anywhere. His game doesnt really fit as a 1 tech.
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After everything all offseason. Im back to where I was when Texas beat Alabama. What would Worthy look like with a Qb like Josh Allen. His ability to separate while tracking a ball in the air deep is rare. Desean Jackson Randy Moss rare. Played all over the formation at Texas. He is a fast football player not a fast guy playing football.
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Makes sense to me. If the guys they deem first rders are gone trade down. Pick up a third. Beane has a handful of guys he likes. Wont know until draft night how the order falls.
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I think Llyod at USC would be a target with a 4th or 5th. May go earlier but if a back is sticking out day 3 I think Buffalo takes them.
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4 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:
The next two edge players picked in his mock after The Bills pick at 60
67 Commanders Adisa Isaac Edge Penn State
75 Bears Chris Braswell Edge Alabama
FWIW he has the ravens doing this at 62
62 Ravens Xavier Legette WR South Carolina
I would take Isaac or Braswell at 60 over Bishop. I think either guy can step into a full rotation at edge without a drop off. Possible for either to take the other edge spot of
Von doesnt perform.
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11 minutes ago, DJB said:
Other than Harrison, Odunze is place Ladd McConkey as the safest WR to draft .
At minimum you have a high end slot guy with good work ethic, character, ability to separate and hands.
If he’s able to work as an outside guy then you will have hit a home run.
Availability is your best ability. He has all the tools but has yet to complete a season. Smaller guy often injured is not an ideal combination.
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Kraft seems like an ass. The doc was a smear campaign on Bill. Not wanting Bill to get hired and win elsewhere is petty. Kraft believes Brady would have won another Superbowl in Ne and Bill ruined it. Reality is New England didnt have the roster.
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I would rather flip edge and safety. Go edge at 60 and safety at 163. I do not see much difference in the safety prospects as a whole to draft one at 60. Im not depending on Von to bounce back at his age. I think you need to add guy ready for snaps immediately. Edwards and Rapp is an ok pairing. Im not sure there is a safety in the class better than either. Not looking for elite traits for the position the need to invest a day 2 pick seems unnecessary.
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1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Posted this in another thread but thought it needed to be here too.
Sounds like a team wants him to slide to them. Fluid guy with plus hands. Best games vs best competition. I think he is very much a possible target at 28.
5 minutes ago, DJB said:The more I think about it the more we aren’t taking a WR round 1 barring a trade up for one of the top 3 guys.
The rest of the group have so many other issues with each prospect and we’ve brought in a bunch of round 1 guys that aren’t WR’s into the building.
Tells me that unless we get one of the big three , perhaps we move up a little in the 2nd to grab a WR which helps mitigate the risk/reward (with regards to draft capital if he busts)
I would than question what player available at 28 wont have a level of risk? If they were clean prospects they would be top 5 or top 10 guys.
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Deep dive on 2024 WR class - Beane’s analysis is in line with this
in The Stadium Wall
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I think most agreed after Top 3 wrs rest are all similar graded players. 5 people have 5 different orders of players. Wr picked in rd 2 is likley similarly graded or graded higher than the players selected at 28 and 32. They were favorites but both have lots of questions. This is the meat of the wr class. Rds 2 and 3 is the bulk of the class.
I also heard some nuggets that over 100 draft-able prospects went back to college. Due to NIL they would be better going back to school instead of being late picks. With transfer portal and NIL starters make about the same as a low pick but may better their position for next year. I dont think Beane drafts a player after 160. Trading those late picks for earlier ones is just as important as getting that 3rd. I suspect Buffalo have 160ish draft grades. Rest are priorty FAs. I suspect those late picks are moved today or early tomorrow.
Buffalo is going value. I suspect Dejean or Newton. I lean Newton because of a higher position of value vs Saftey. Than a combo of 2 wrs with the other day 2 picks. Maybe im wrong and they love Polk, Mcconkey, Mitchell and take them at 33. These are the same players discussed for weeks at 28 still available now plus a 3rd and multiple late picks improved by 40 spots.