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46 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:
Couldn't agree more. Guys like him have the talent, but don't really love the game. I imagine at some point it stopped being fun for them.
I think they get burnt out from the grind from Pop Warner to now.
Idk… Wr is a 100% dependent position. With Big Ben he was pretty solid. The Pickett offense was bad. The Bears passing game was a disaster. Didnt see him as a fit for what Miami does at wr. Played special teams and decent blocker doesn't point to a guy who doesnt like football. He will have to humble himself to make the team. He does that I see a path for a turn around. Top qb, open targets, and offense suited for his play style.
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13 hours ago, LABILLBACKER said:
In a year that made the most sense to double dip at wr, Beane chose not to. And my reasoning was simply 2 factors. First, you may not see another pool of wr talent in a draft like this for several years. Second, it acts as an insurance policy in case Coleman doesn't pan out. It wouldn't of killed BB to grab Franklin or Walker in the mid rounds. No one is rooting for Keon to shine more than me. But if he struggles, it will go down in "Beane Lore" as a collasal mistake.
It comes down to what you view Shakir as. They think he steps in as a starter. If Shakir can maintain 85 to 90% of his efficiency he will have a very good year. They are replacing Davis with Coleman. Samuel is taking over Shakir role. Shakir is taking over Diggs role but with the end of season targets. I think a mid to late rounder has difficulty making the team this season.
Hedging at Wr because you question your scouting ability is not in the cards for Beane. Is Franklin or Walker better in 2024 than Carter or Davis? Better long term solution than Van Pron Granger? Taking Franklin because you dont like Coleman is not really that strong of a reason. Based on post draft reports Coleman was a popular player and target by multiple team at the top of rd 2. The NFL viewed Franklin must less. Buffalo viewed him much less. Hard to question any of the picks individually. Couple of traitsy OT projects but even that I like taking those swings.
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6 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Oh, I think he will be at 85+. I’m not arguing that he will be thrown the ball more. He needs those targets. I was just saying that, “he didn’t have volume last year.” He didn’t. If he can be as productive on double the targets, he will be a really good player.
Right. That is the gamble they made by doing the Diggs trade. The top 3 pass catchers in Qb rating when targeted last season were Shakir, Kincaid and Cook. Thats who the passing game is going to feature. May not like it or agree with it, but that is what they are doing imo.
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50 minutes ago, OldTimer1960 said:
I’m not saying you’re wrong, but I think Diggs either was hurt, had some issue interfering with his play or is losing it due to age. I don’t think that the idea of fast, quick high quality route runners is expiring. Now, I’ve no issue with adding a bigger receiver to the room to add diversity to the attack, but they may be going too far.
Kincaid, Shakir and Samuel are underneath separators. Coleman is not that. Having that as a prominent role they need someone behind him. Imo Hollins is the Sherfield or kumerow spot. Special teamer but offers something as a wr. Claypool, Shorter and Shavers are battling for a spot behind Coleman.
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23 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
As of today, they are. That’s not really debatable. I think that Samuel can fill Gabe’s volume. I also think that he’s going to see a handful of carries. I’m an Ohio State fan and love the player. He’s more playmaker than pure WR.
Shakir had 24 targets once Brady took over. That extrapolated is 58 targets on the year. As I said, he absolutely did not handle volume last year. Understand now?
He also had 12 in 2 playoff games. Multiple games he had 6 targets. If he averages 6 targets a game thats 100. I do not think it is an unreasonable amount. Projection yes. Something Buffalo wants to explore more? Yes.
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6 hours ago, UmbrellaMan said:
“Keon Coleman (WR – Florida State)
Most similar players: Collin Johnson (0.900), Isaiah Hodgins (0.895), Auden Tate (0.883)
In college, Keon Coleman was a Sportscenter Top 10 play waiting to happen. The issue, as you may notice in those clips, is Coleman’s lack of ability to create separation. According to PFF, Coleman’s separation against single coverage last year ranked 449th out of 450 qualifying players — not great, Bob. Furthermore, when looking at Coleman’s charted stats he falls short in a lot of areas (photo via Reception Perception):
After transferring from Michigan State to Florida State for his final season, Coleman led the Seminoles in receiving yards while his targets per route run rose slightly from 22.9% to 24.9%. Also, despite running a 4.61-second 40-yard dash at the combine, Coleman reached a top speed of 20.36 miles per hour during the gauntlet drill, the fastest speed by any receiver over the last two seasons. Whether or not I like Coleman’s profile is a complex battle between my head (his production and efficiency are poor) and my heart (the dude can ball), so I think landing spot and development will matter slightly more than some of the other receivers.”
The pick was a total disappointment with McConkey right there. Non-WRs like Dejean or Newton would have been better selections than taking a player with so much bust risk. I’m still vexed at how the Bills scouting department thought THIS was their guy.
The primary skill a NFL WR needs is the ability to get open (earn targets). Catching the ball is secondary. Catching the ball is akin to shooting free throws in basketball. There are many gym rats at the ymca who can do it better than NBA players. The skill is earning the free throws.
Not great. However, simply looking at a prospects short comings doesn't paint a complete picture. Simply thinking because Lladd being an undersized guy and unable to make it through a season in college means he cant in the NFL.
I think one of Colemans best attributes is his fluidity and body control for a guy that large. He is good at the line and the catch point. I think Buffalo feels they can refine his route running at the top of the route. Now the separation he didn't require in college is not a fatal flaw.
What Coleman offers as strengths are traits you can’t learn or teach. Buffalo thinks they can improve the route running and that will propel Coleman to meeting his potential. Time will tell. After seeing all the content he is in you can see why they believe in him.
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5 hours ago, BigAl2526 said:
Buffalo's defensive scheme is very complex and demands a great deal mentally from its safeties. That might be the thing that keeps Bishop from starting day one. I do expect he'll be a starter before the season progresses very far though.
I think that is what made him so highly coveted. I dont know if film alone makes him a 2nd round pick. They said how tough the position is than said they feel he is equipped for it.
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28 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
I agree that they absolutely are primarily slot guys. I was simply saying that he offers a skill set that they do not currently have.
I also think that you’re right, that it’ll be a few different guys down the field. If Coleman can be a more reliable Gabe, he will be a good pickup. Gabe’s issue was that he was so limited in the routes that he ran well. To this point, Coleman has similar struggles. He’s young though and has lots of upside.
Gabe has build up speed. Deep passes he could eventually get on top a db but was a struggle. That lumbering style made it hard to incorporate underneath. Coleman offering more early underneath in my mind helps him get to similar places down field as Davis.
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10 minutes ago, Blackbeard said:
TOTALLY my thoughts. The NFL is very much a “chase me” league. You just gotta be the front runner.
Zig when everyone zags. Getting bigger is not a surprise. Bigger personal is no surprise. Use Coleman Kincaid Knox with Samuel/Shakir Cook is an interesting line up. Alot of size and versatility on the field. You can have almost 3 te type alignments with condensing the formation. Next play full spread.
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21 minutes ago, Putin said:
IDK about the stud LB because of his age and injury history , but our new WR is only 25 years old unlike Chicago or especially Miami is coming into a situation we’re he has a chance to win a starting # 3WR job , he has a legitimate franchise QB and we know he’s got the talent and all the tools , and I’m sure he knows that this could be his last opportunity so I’ll wait and see what happens ,
but you’ll can go ahead LOL
Do you think Cook will see more targets then last year ?
I do. I think he is part of the offense. Shakir, Cook and Kincaid see larger shares of the passing attack. Cook was the best player on offense not named Allen for the most part. Cook in a Kamara style role. Brady comes from NO under Payton. He also utilzed Edwards Helaire in LSU. There are plenty of targets to go around and enough guys to pick up the slack if someone does handle the volume.
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57 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
In terms of Gabe, the question was, “who now runs the 9 route?”
Shakir had 45 targets!! What are you talking about that he handled volume??? Kincaid had 91 targets. If you take just the Brady games it was 40. If you extrapolate that across the season it’s 97 targets.
The WR room last year wasn’t good enough. It was way better than this group. Now if Coleman is good and Shakir continues to develop they can be an average WR room. At the moment, they’re inarguably in the bottom 3.
What are you talking about? Why wouldn’t he have been a 6th? He’s little and has short arms, but he’s quick, twitchy and productive. He would have more value on the Bills than on many other teams because we lack that skill set. Neither Shakir nor Samuel are twitchy route runners. They’re converted RBs that are good with the ball in their hands.
You have to throw go routes on occasion. If you don’t throw the ball down the field you’re going to see 11 man boxes. It’ll be tough to run, tough to throw those quick screens that Brady likes and difficult for Josh to find space to take off. And before you say, “yeah but Samuel runs a 4.31” he has a career YPC of 10.7 yards.
Shakir was praised for his route running coming out. Samuel is very good vs man. Washington operates on the field in the same area as Shakir and Samuel. Kind of a redundant player. Both Isabella and Hamler would have made it hard for Washington to catch on imo.
Depending on match up and look Shakir, Coleman, or Samuel can run a go route. 10.7 is not bad when you take into account what Samuel offers at and behind the LOS. The offense doesnt have a deep threat. I do think any of the guys can make plays down field. All have shown that ability. Would also like to see Kincaid and Coleman down the seem. I see Coleman doing all the Davis stuff but offers more underneath with better athleticism and route running upside.
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7 hours ago, Awwufelloff said:
Easily diggs, he was on fire first half of season. Allen had 2nd most Ints in the league last year? Was a rather weak MVP season overall, compared to previous years. Defenses realized that once you took diggs away it was tough for us to get the ball moving. Who is getting doubled teamed or taking the pressure away next year?
Defenses realized Diggs couldnt get behind them. Once Allen stopped force feeding Diggs his ints went down. The offense under Brady featured more Kincaid, Cook, and Shakir. It was more efficient. They are leaning more into that with Samuel and Coleman to complement. If Diggs is as good as you feel he still is why didnt Houston give him more money?
15 minutes ago, Trust The Process said:BILLS WR CORE HEIGHT AND WEIGHT
Shakir: 6’0, 190 lbs
Samuel: 5’11, 195 lbs
Coleman: 6’3, 215 lbs
Hollins: 6’4, 221 lbs
Shorter: 6’4, 223 lbsShavers: 6’4, 211 lbs
Claypool: 6’4, 238 lbs
Cephus: 6’1, 208 lbs
Isabella: 5’9, 188 lbs
Hamler: 5’9, 178 lbsLast season 6 WR’s made the Bills final 53 man roster, and I expect the same amount this year. The first 5 WR’s at the top should all make the 53 man roster. 1 of the other 5 names will compete for the 6th WR spot on the 53 just like we carried last season.
Some of the rest will make the Practice Squad.As you can see we’re a much bigger WR room this season as opposed to the past. This is by design. Bully ball is coming to Buffalo.
I could see 5 if they go heavier DE with the modified return rules. Dline and Oline could see more work on kickoff.
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Second rd Rb, First rd tightend after paying one top 10 money. Second Rd wr. Using more draft capital instead of cap space might be the better answer. Giving Samuel a decent deal pairs well with the rest of the options. Its different than what they had but doesnt mean worst.
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5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Specific to Malik Washington, he has a skill set that the Bills roster currently does not have. He’s incredibly twitchy and gets out of his breaks quickly. That was Diggs. He could find space and because of that could handle volume. It’s a little bit of Beasley. Washington is little but on this roster he had a chance to play and to climb the depth chart. He would be the best pure route runner on the team imo. He would have played over Hollins.
I don’t treat PFF as the Bible but at the same time it’s as good as most. The point being that their list of the top 101 players isn’t a travesty. You could probably nitpick a handful of guys here or there. It’s not like the Bills had 4 or 5 guys that were screwed by not being on there. They had 1 guy make the list.
If he is perceived to be those things Washington would not be a 6th round pick. Shakir and Samuel operate in a very similar manner but with more size. Coleman was a style of Wr Allen has not had in some time. With how defenses are playing them that style could be more productive than slamming a go route into 2 high.
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22 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
Ulofoshio's description really is right in the mold for what Beane likes in the young LBers he drafts. I'd say he has a type.
If Solomon is even half of as productive winning his pass rushing snaps as Huff was last year...that's a solid pick.
If Carter can be the primary backup to Oliver and rotate in consistently and Bishop is playing a lot I see some upside in both. For me, it's not about if Bishop or Carter start, but how many snaps can they eat up during a game. If Bishop does end up starting in that near 100% of the defensive snaps at safety role that Hyde and Poyer often would, great. If Carter can get 40% of the snaps at DT behind Oliver...huge plus.
I think Davis is going to have a nice role as well. Possibly will be "the guy" in the next 2 years when Cook comes up for a new deal. I think Cook carries the load again this year and we see more of a split the following year as they transition. Kind of like it was during Motor's last season here.
I think Bishop starts. Carter is primary back up to Ed. Next season he is given the chance to win the 1T job. Davis is the back up to Cook. Plays the Murray role from last year but has more juice. Johnson is a solid role player but wouldnt want him to approach 10 touches a game. I think in a few years this will be looked at as a very good draft. The success of Coleman will determine the perception of the overall class.
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30 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:
I think a major discourse over the Bills WR room this off season is simply differing preference on what people believe they "should" have and what we "could" have, so to speak.
People get locked into their thought process of having "fast" WRs, or at least one guy that's 6'4" or a dominant type guy. Nothing wrong with thinking any of that, of course.
I think there are a lot of pluses to a more "spread the ball" philosophy as long as your QB is good at identifying mismatches and exploit them. Yes, a WR like Diggs has been in the past is a huge plus. It does open things up. But during his time here we were very fortunate that he never missed time (aside from when he would pull himself out of games, of course) and left a vacuum of targets unaccounted for.
I also am of the thought that with guys like that, you have to get them their targets. And sometimes that leads to tunnel vision and comes at the cost of lost downs. I'm really interested in seeing what this group can be. We have some mismatches on the field. We need Allen to find those. Now, should they bring in a "big name" Alpha type guy, so be it. But I'm good with what we have right now. We will move the ball.
The offense functioned better when Allen wasnt force feeding Diggs targets. Shakir and Samuel function in the manner the offense has had success with. Coleman adds a dimension outside they have not had since Benjamin. Slants, Skinny post and fade routes. I think Coleman puts up numbers on par or better than Gabe out of the box. Thats 80 targets Davis left behind and expect Coleman recieves most if not all. Diggs 160 targets are getting split up between Shakir, Samuel and Kincaid. I expect Shakir to go from 45 targets up to 90 and Kincaid from 90 to 110. That leaves 80 to 90 targets to Samuel. Biggest question mark is Shakir getting more touches. If you take his production down the stretch I think he was already operating close to this volume. Overall not crazy.
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Aaron Schobel and Lee Evans. Kyle Williams broke it. Eric Moulds was pre drought. Biggest holes on the roster. A guy who can get a sack and a deep threat.
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1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:
I guess he's worth a lottery ticket/reclamation project. The older I get, the more I think character is destiny. Reformation does occur, but it's relatively rare.
Having strong role models can make a difference. I'm not sure whose going to show him the way, but someone needs to.
I would be less upset about Beane bringing in this caliber of player if I did not believe there is a gaping hole in the WR room where the primadonna Diggs used to reside. Cap constraints/change in offensive philosophy, however you contextualize it, one has to guess Beane did not plan on trading Diggs and taking on a huge cap hit. What he's done since is reactive, and doesn't seem like a fully thought out plan. Maybe Beane brings someone in who is a more established, higher level player post 6/1, but I'm not confident that happens.
I don't like banking on volume from any of the folks in our WR room right now, and I'm personally not comfortable with the "just spread the targets around" strategy. I still think a dominant WR makes room on the field for others, and who is going to do that with what we have now? We don't have elite route runners, and I don't see a boundary WR who can take the top off, though we have a few fast fellas. Of course, you may luck into someone playing above their past, and maybe Shakir is ascending and will take over that role, but that seems overly optimistic to me.
Unless one is develop in house I dont think they go get another one. They are putting alot into Coleman. They feel he will be able to fit some of that role. Shakir is ascending and will be larger factor than many expect. He will be used liked Diggs not just a slot. Either they look like geniuses or they seal their own fates.
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Just now, Doc said:
Low risk signing. Like you said, he was good with a good QB and he joined Miami last year a month after the season started so no off-season, training camp or pre-season with them. If he's a cancer, you cut him with no repercussions.
Correct. Best Qb he has had a complete offseason with. Brady is making an offense with Coleman as a primary target. Behind Coleman, Shakir, and Samuel it is wide open. By far the best opportunity he could have asked for. For Buffalo if he doesn’t fit in you send him packing.
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I think they keep it as is. Post camp if there is an injury or young skill guys dont take the required “step” I can see Beane making a move at that point.
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I think with Shorter, Shavers, Hollins, Coleman and Claypool they have a prominent role in the offense for a large outside wr. Coleman slides into the lead role with Hollins helping and ultimately being the backup. Shorter, Shavers, and Claypool are fighting for 1 spot. Having 3 guys out of 5 or 6 that style does point to a change in player archtypes.
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Comes down to Shakir and Kincaid. If they maintain some of their efficiency with more volume Buffalo will have a very good offense. Coleman is the x factor. If he plays well the offense could be better. Having top pass catcher also be a plus blocker opens alot up in play action. With smaller defenses and 2 deep coverage Buffalo is going with a more bully style of offense.
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12 hours ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:
They called him Waste Claypool in Pittsburgh because that's what he is, this is just a camp body in hopes of turning into something but most likely wont make the squad. I would hope this signing wouldn't stop the Bills for going out and adding other WR's. I'd much rather have 4 games of Mike Thomas who actually tries then this dude. I think Smoot was a solid get and will make the team as a situational guy for us.
When Claypool had Ben he was good. Chicago was a mess without Claypool. I dont think he was a fit in Miami with the style of Wr they have. He very well could be done. If so he is cut. There is a none 0 zero chance he bounces back to a productive player in Buffalo. Stable environment, elite Qb, and an offense being constructed with a player of his skill set in mind. Add in the targets available with Diggs and Davis gone this is a huge opportunity most likely his last.
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8 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I do wonder if his basketball experience actually has anything to do with his lack of separation on routes. Basketball is largely played in close quarters and plays made against contested defense get a lot more "likes" from observers. It's not even close. I would often slow down on a breakaway to make the defender try hard and look personally defeated at the basket. It's part of the fun of that game. I can't relate to "posterizing" an opponent but uncontested dunks aren't sh!t compared to dunking ON an opponent. Even if the reality is that the opponent was totally out-leveraged and was just compelled to go thru the motion of attempting to stop the play.
I think he was comfortable using body positioning to create separation that way. By being late to football it explains his lack of technique. I hope by training with Chase and Nabers he tightens up his footwork. At the beginning and catch point he is good. Working on his breaks could do wonders.
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Deion Jones signed to 1-year deal per Schefter
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I agree. Most if not all of Davis volume is going to Coleman. I think Diggs is getting split among Shakir, Kincaid and Samuel. Many are not seeing Shakir as a player who will get more volume. They see him as what he was. A 3rd wr. I think he gets as many targets as any wr on the roster. Before the trade they decided Shakir was going to be the Z.