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8 minutes ago, SWATeam said:
I think Claypool's best shot is to fill Gabe's role as the vertical threat. Much of his early success was on vertical routes with Ben.
My point he is filling in for a large outside wr. Similar strengths and weaknesses. Playing a few snaps out wide for Mia is a different animal with plays designed for Waddle and Hill. Not being part of the gameplan but having a style of play that is.
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I think it shows they have role they want filled in the offense. Coleman is a style of wr Allen hasn't had and the offense hasn't utilized. I think Shorter, Shavers and Claypool will compete to be the primary back up to Coleman. Hollins though could be that I see him more as Davis/Sherfield role. He is solidly the 4th wr. Isabella and Hamler are also on the roster. I think one of them makes it as well. Slot and deep threat ability with returner duties.
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1 hour ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
Kincaid gets a bunch of defensive attention and he doesn’t factor in here just because of the technicality that he’s officially a tight end I guess. makes it look a little better imo.
i dont think they’re trembling a whole lot less than the second half of last year with how diggs was playing but I understand the point
Defenses really stopped worrying about Diggs getting down field. The offense was fine without getting production from both. Coleman in a condensed set will help in the run game and also provide those big slot routes. Claypool has his best chance since Pittsburgh to produce. Mcdaniel saw him as a te. Could be the primary back up for Coleman. Obvious big role is being developed for him.
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39 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:
Don't forget Curtis Samuel! I'm starting to believe he's going to get way more targets than expected
He is paid as a starter. Samuel and Shakir will get a bunch of targets in the area Diggs and Beasley operated for years. Samuel adds the backfield and jet sweep element without having personnel tip off the defense.
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1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
You don’t think Claypool would’ve been in a training camp somewhere? I actually think he chose us.
I assume he waited til after the draft. Claypool is probably who Beane was referring too. Claypool is at the same age but carries more potential than any 6 or 7 rounder they could have selected. Shavers, Shorter, Claypool and Cephus fight for wr 5 or 6.
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Has potential and probably the best path to make the roster and a role. Low risk full off season with a real qb maybe he matured and takes advantage. At his age athletic profile its a no brainer move.
1 minute ago, 947 said:I guess he's competing with Shorter & Hollins for the old Kumerow role.
I would almost write Hollins on the roster in sharpie at this point.
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7 minutes ago, Logic said:
DJ Chark signs with the Chargers.
Tyler Boyd signs with a team that already employs Calvin Ridley and DeAndre Hopkins.
Odell Beckham Jr signs with a team that already employs Tyreek Hill, Jaylen Waddle, Braxton Berrios, and just drafted Malik Washington.
The Bills sign...Chase Claypool and Quintez Cephus.
I'm sure I'll get a few thumbs down and eyeroll emojis for pointing out the wildly uninspiring way in which the Bills are approaching the wide receiver position. Whatever. Pour me a ***** shot.
I do not see any difference in any name on this list. All of them put up numbers 2 to 3 years ago. Picking the younger guys inspires some hope they could reach those numbers again. Post draft FA signings are all similar unless its a real deal with real guaranteed money like Flloyd last season.
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12 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Yeah I realize jones was good at one point in his career. He’s been bad/unwanted the last 3.
I didn’t say Spector was a lock. I separated them due to being on the team last season. I thought he play relatively well last year and would give him the nod over Jones at this point.
Jmo
I think Jones and Spector are battling for the Matekavic role. Special teams but offer something on defense in coverage if needed.
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The spring battle of Claypool and Shorter for the title of camp hero will be entertaining. Shorter has the age and draft capital but Claypool has the better nickname.
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2 minutes ago, SCBills said:
We have money freeing up on 6/1, which I figured would be used on either WR or DE … Bringing in Claypool and Smoot is interesting as to whether it has any bearing on my assumption for either position.After draft and UDFAs they still are a few shy of 90. These are guys who could make the roster but are vet min guys. Im not sure Beane does anything of note at wr in June. Maybe end of camp if they do not see growth from Coleman or Shakir.
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2 minutes ago, Turbo44 said:
QB's he's played with have been garbage. No risk signing
Played decently with the ghost of Big Ben.
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Low risk move. Has the tools that if he puts it together can be more than camp body. Played special teams the last few years so a strong contestant to be the 5th or 6th wr. Honestly, I will take MapleTron over a late day 3 pick at wr.
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23 hours ago, Chaos said:
Is the complexity other teams can do without, so they can get their best athletes on the field? Or is this for safeties on all teams "if it is the only way"?
Only way? No. But no different than Mikes. They do similar things pre snap a Qb does. This is not highschool or college where you call a play and thats it. Some defenses have a handful of coverages some have more. By utilizing the split saftey look they have the ability to do much more. Mcdermott is a Shanahan McVay defensive coach. His defense changes week by week. At mike and Safety they need guys comfortable with the whole defense to not only execute the game plan but handle the gameday adjustments in real time and keep the defense sound.
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5 hours ago, Sweats said:
The guy had offers from close to 50 schools when he went into the transfer portal........that alone is impressive.
Thats my point. He was giving the full red carpet treatment you could at 19/20. Come practice time saw they needed a return guy and raised his hand. I like the way be carries himself and physicality he plays with. Going to be real easy to root for.
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6 minutes ago, Logic said:
Right. I understand that. I'm just saying that I like him enough that I think by year two you'll be able to remove "backup" from that sentence. I think he's the future starter. I don't think you draft a guy who's potentially only a center at the pro level to JUST be a backup there. The Bills prefer their interior backups to have positional versatility. And I know Kromer said he believes Sed can do that and they'll cross-train him and all that, but...
I'm just saying: I like the prospect. I think he's the future Bills starting center. I'm just not how far into the future that'll be, but I wouldn't guess much past 2025.Agree. McGovern has a short leash.
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4 minutes ago, Logic said:
Right, but it's not just that his arm length limits him to center. It's that his arm length is also shorter than ideal even for that position.
It's listed among his weaknesses in nearly every scouting report.
He is the backup center. If McGovern is a lesser center than guard this gives them the ability to move him back.
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3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
That's interesting, what you say about Samuel. I have trouble seeing him having some kind of career year. I see him as being the player he's been for several years, but in an offense that gives him more opportunities. It's interesting to me to think of him as you suggest.
As I try to visualize the passing attack, I'm asking myself. "Who is going to be the guy who's the premier guy, the feature guy. Not that he dominates so much with big numbers, but is the guy we think of as the go-to guy? Because Diggs was that guy, and that guy is important.
That guy could be Kincaid. He doesn't strike me as a leader, as a feature guy. He may grow into more of a leadership role this year, but his play would have to step up from last season.
As you say, it could be Samuel. I don't see Samuel that way. I think Samuel needs a premier guy next to him for Samuel to be valuable.
Hard to see Shakir as that guy.
And that leaves Coleman. Who knows? Maybe Coleman and Samuel, together, present a combination of match-up problems that forces defenses to reshape, which in turn gives Kincaid and Shakir room to operate. That's definitely an offense where targets would be distributed more evenly, as you say.
I do not expect Samuel to take over that role. I think its likely he sees more volume than he has at any point in his career. I think the targets go Kincaid, Shakir, Samuel, Coleman and Cook. Coleman may move up that list but I think Kincaid and Shakir will be the early driving forces.
Everyone bringing up analytics with Coleman but want to ignore it when explaining the decisions made this offseason in the wr room. The most effective pass catchers in 23 for Buffalo were Kincaid, Shakir and Cook. What changed midway through the season? They moved targets away from Diggs, Davis and Knox to Shakir, Kincaid and Cook.
Coleman out of the box will take the Davis role and similar targets maybe a tick less but more efficient catch rate. They building off last year but upgrading the complimentary pieces.
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3 minutes ago, K-9 said:
I think he’s gonna need a couple years of pro coaching and experience before he really starts to hit his stride. Not saying he won’t contribute immediately, because he will. His sheer athleticism will provide those opportunities and with a guy like Josh throwing to him, he’s gonna get some plays going his way. I’m looking forward to his development because he has so much room for growth at the position. Chris Brown made a good point earlier when he said Coleman spent half his college career playing two sports and that alone suggests he couldn’t devote the time and dedication to learning the position in a comprehensive manner.
Walking into FSU from Michigan St and basically being the guy instantly is impressive. Big time NIL get and tells coach make me the return man. Not many players in the NIL, transfer portal world have that mindset.
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15 hours ago, Chaos said:
What benefits come from this complexity? Do these benefits outweigh having the best talent on the field?
Only way to slow modern day passing attacks. Having the ability to change pre-post snap looks is how you create mistakes and turnovers. Getting in and out of coverages when offenses use formation and motion to stress defensive principles is how you avoid big plays. Mcdermott got his guy lets see what he does.
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8 minutes ago, Johnnycage46 said:
This feels like the analytics folks crushing Allen all over again. Obviously different players, different positions, different metrics, etc. etc. etc. We really won't know anything for a while.
Yes. 20 years old and has concentrated only on wr for 2 years. PFF pods are all over the place with him. There are outliers and he very well could be. Reasonable analyst pretty much agree, clean up somethings and no one would be surprised he is successful.
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On 4/29/2024 at 8:21 AM, mjt328 said:
As I've said before, I think Brandon Beane is easily a Top 5-10 General Manager in the NFL.
But for someone who's nickname is "big baller," his drafts have become extremely conservative and predictable.
That's why so many fans are frustrated. The franchise literally lost a half-dozen guys who were All-Pro talents in previous seasons. But instead of shooting for the stars and trying to land a big-time IMPACT player, Beane was comfortable just filling out the roster with solid and safe players.
At this point, it feels like Beane's drafts are mostly on auto-pilot. He knows what kind of players fit Sean McDermott's defensive system. He knows what kind of character traits fit this locker room. He doesn't like taking guys with injury risks, and prioritizes versatility/special teams ability. He is willing to move around the board 4-5 spots, but tries to avoid parting with any picks 4th Round or earlier.
- Rounds 1-2 he addresses the Bills two biggest needs. Every single time.
- Rounds 3-5 he fills out depth on the roster at positions still needing bodies.
- By the last few rounds, we are usually out of fillable roster spots and he's ready to go home.
I think he was looking to add core pieces. Allen keeps the Bills in the race. Getting younger was needed everywhere. They did that. 2025 they have alot of draft capital and cap space. Gearing up for the new stadium in 26. Its a rebirth of the team. Young guys need to step up. Shakir and Kincaid on offense. Benard and Rousseau on defense. Cook and Oliver did it last year. Still favorites in the East. Need guys to make plays to go further than they have.
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6 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:
He was taken at 23. Jumping six spots would not have been insurmountable.
Time to move on but BTJ, Worthy, and Coleman are all linked now as they were all in play for Beane. I would not have taken Worthy, but many on here wanted a trade up for BTJ.
Hope Coleman is a solid WR. Allen if he truly is a HOF QB should be able to produce with this group.
Who wanted to trade down? That was a spot where everyone had the guy they want fall into their lap. Eagles? Nope. Steelers? easy to say just move up but the the only move was by Jacksonville and pretty obvious they were looking for the same guy.
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On 4/29/2024 at 6:18 AM, Pine Barrens Mafia said:
You have a QB that's a Maserati. He's built for bombs away. But instead of building your offense for that, you build it for plodding, 10 yards at a time max, 10 minute drive offense. So I ask, what is the point?
What's the point of having a guy who's designed by nature to bomb the football deep and whose weakness is dink and dunk stuck in an offensive scheme that is built to do just that?
Why not offload him for someone who's better suited for that kind of thing if you refuse to play to his strengths? That's what I can't wrap my head around. It makes no sense.
20 plus yard passes year over are the least predictable stat year over year. Its the passing version of fumble recover rate. The offense needs to be built on the short and intermediate. Allen has the ability to generate big plays out of structure. Coleman may be able to develop a back shoulder with Allen but those are less efficient plays. Good to have it in your bag but cannot live off of it.
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Bills sign Chase Claypool, Smoot, Jones
in The Stadium Wall
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I don't see them making a big move. Coleman is the earliest Wr drafted by Beane. I also think he is very high on Shakir. Slot and Z will be interchangeable by Samuel and Shakir.