ChiGoose

I had a lunch meeting in Milwaukee yesterday. Totally forgot the debate was there tonight until I started seeing all the political billboard ads. Lunch was good though. Milwaukee is a nice city.

Gonna guess that aside from Christie and Hutchinson, the candidates spend very little time attacking the guy they are ostensibly trying to beat.

Definitely over. Guy is pushing three bills

Clearly you’ve read neither.

There are only three: 1. Obtain or maintain power. 2. Transfer as much wealth as possible to the donor class. 3. Push policies that scare or anger voters into electing people who will enable 1 and/or 2. That’s basically it.

South Korea and Japan are both close allies of the US but very much dislike each other. Trying to smooth out the relations between them is a good goal.

Non-Trumpy GOP candidates outperformed Trumpy candidates in 2022. Normie voters are turned off by the extremism and election denialism.

Moderate GOP governors in blue or purple states tend to be pretty popular. Kemp is somewhere between moderate and MAGA while Georgia is a bit more red than purple. He’s the sort of traditional conservative that appeals far more broadly than Trumpy candidates.

Given the evidence in the Mar A Lago case, there's no reason he wouldn't go to prison other than politics. It's the most overwhelming case I've ever seen and the only reason someone in his position wouldn't plead out is because they think they can derail the case, because they cannot seriously hope to win it.

He has NPD. I don't know if he is fundamentally capable of understanding that he might face consequences. He likely wouldn't believe he's going to prison until he's actually in a cell.

He's one of the most well known people in the world. It's not like he can easily just disappear. While I don't love the idea that he could potentially go somewhere that doesn't extradite to the US, I find it incredibly unlikely that he would run.

Finally listening to his lawyers. Could have saved himself a lot of trouble had he started earlier. Then again, maybe Tom Fitton calls him and convinces him to ignore his lawyers again...

I can’t say for certain but I would guess it is. If they could keep the names redacted in this case, I would think they would have.

Trump supporters post names and addresses of Georgia grand jurors online "The purported names and addresses of members of the grand jury that indicted Donald Trump and 18 of his co-defendants on state racketeering charges this week have been posted on a fringe website that often features violent rhetoric, NBC News has learned. *** The grand jurors have come under attack in the days since Trump's indictment, the fourth criminal indictment brought against the twice-impeached former president. “These jurors have signed their death warrant by falsely indicting President Trump," read one post on a pro-Trump forum in response to a post including the names of jurors, which was viewed by NBC News." Can't say it's surprising. The first thing I thought when I saw the indictment had the names of the jurors on it was that they'd be doxxed and threatened.

Fulton county cannot investigate the other states. That's why we have the Feds doing their own investigation. The Georgia investigation is built on violations of Georgia state law. While they cannot charge for the acts in the other states, they can present evidence of them occurring to the jury. The defense can try to explain it away and it'll be up to the jurors to decide who is more believable. For the RICO charge, they just need to prove at least two of the overt acts listed in the charge. They have listed 161 acts, so it would be quite surprising for them to be unable to prove 160 of them.

"This criminal organization constituted an enterprise as that term is defined in O.C.G.A. § 16-14-3(3), that is, a group of individuals associated in fact. The Defendants and other members and associates of the enterprise had connections and relationships with one another and with the enterprise. The enterprise constituted an ongoing organization whose members and associates functioned as a continuing unit for a common purpose of achieving the objectives of the enterprise. The enterprise operated in Fulton County, Georgia, elsewhere in the State of Georgia, in other states, including, but not limited to, Arizona, Michigan, Nevada, New Mexico, Pennsylvania, and Wisconsin, and in the District of Columbia. The enterprise operated for a period of time sufficient to permit its members and associates to pursue its objectives." Page 15 of the indictment Gotta think that meets your criteria for being able to change the national election...

1. That's not how it works. 2. Even if it was, some of the actions that the indictment alleges include trying to get the Georgia legislature to change the outcome for the entire state.

Well this is blatantly false. Anyone who did what Trump did would not only have been charged but would likely not be out on bail pending trial.

If you still believe the lie that Trump has been indicted simply for saying the election was rigged, I would suggest you seek better sources of information.

If he's actually able to prove there was voter fraud (which he won't), it doesn't make him not guilty of committing crimes. If your neighbor actually did steal your stuff, it doesn't mean you can't be convicted for breaking into their house to get it back. There are legal recourses for when you believe there were issues with an election. Trump used those. He lost. That doesn't give him permission to commit crimes.

They are trying to enforce the law. He's doing just fine in the money department. He can always get more donations from his supporters if needed. The overwhelming majority of Americans aren't so tuned into politics as the people who spend time reading and consuming news and posting on message boards. They will be able to find an impartial jury. Citizens selected for juries tend to take their oaths seriously. I am reminded of the MAGA juror on the Manafort trial. She said she "left her red hat in the car" and voted based on the facts of the case.

It's not going to get thrown out of court. You can legitimately believe someone stole your stuff, but when you organize people to try to rob them to get your stuff back, you've committed a crime. Even if the person does have your stuff after all. Trump exhausted his legal avenues and then moved on to illegal means. Even if he truly did believe he won the election, he still committed crimes.

Good thing they aren’t absent here then! Though you do have to appreciate the spin that applying the law is somehow a violation of law and order. Anyone who did what Trump did would likely already be behind bars. He will have a chance to defend himself. If he didn’t want to be charged with crimes, he should have considered not doing so many crimes.

I can't seem to do it from my phone anymore. Did this one on the desktop and it worked.