ChiGoose
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9 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
We define success differently. So be it. Hail New Zealand for their caring.
New Zealand deaths per capita: 49.65US deaths per capita: 333.15
Seems like they’re doing a lot better than we are
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5 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
Thank you. Since you feel that covid is still raging mostly because we don’t care about mitigation, can you direct me to a single success story where covid mitigation steps have proved successful and how success is defined? It certainly isn’t a highly vaxxed/masked country like Japan.
New Zealand-
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Just now, JDHillFan said:
Thank you. Your mask protects others even though I suspect you have been vaxxed repeatedly. But why only one? Dr Fauci recommends two.
I usually use a KN-95, which is fine by itself. Stopped using cloth masks long ago. -
Just now, JDHillFan said:
You obviously care deeply. Kudos to you. Do you wear one mask or two when you go out?
Do your part, stay six feet apart!
I do wear a mask when indoors in public spaces.-
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3 minutes ago, Tenhigh said:
I thought only Chigoose is allowed to make the "Republicans are evil, Democrats are only inept" argument?
Some Dems are bad.
In fact, the reason the Trump appointed US Attorney in Chicago is still employed and able to oversee the Biden investigation is because he’s also overseeing the Madigan investigation. Madigan is as corrupt as they come and the senators from Illinois wanted the US attorney to continue going after him so Biden didn’t ask for his resignation when he came into office.
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1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said:
Just when I think they can't get any stupider...
There’s no bottom.-
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1 minute ago, Gene Frenkle said:
Has it, Tim?
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1 minute ago, Chris farley said:
LMAO. we all know Biden will never even respond to investigators. maybe a lawyer.
Adn the MSM will explain the reasoning as "orange man bad"
and then crickets.
But then again old Hillary has been working her old contacts and money big time. like she is planning something in 2024
Biden is already cooperating with investigators.
Do you actually look anything up before posting or do you prefer to just be wrong all the time?
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1 minute ago, Chris farley said:
So we will see search warrants to confirm their isn't any more hidden docs?
Only if Biden decides to obstruct and lie to investigators.-
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1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:
Who is “they”?
Most Americans.
Even after a million deaths, they oppose even the simplest mitigations like mask wearing.
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10 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
But you didn’t steal something from me. Well, my time maybe with silly ‘what if you stole donuts from my kitchen’ questions, but I can forgive you for that. I can see you’re struggling to back me into a corner that doesn’t exist.
Trump stole from the government and retained the stolen goods for 8 months after being told to return them.
I find it really hard to believe you would oppose the execution of a search warrant in that scenario if it wasn’t Trump.
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3 hours ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
No, that’s not necessary when we can focus on the facts as they happened.
Assuming Garland was negotiating for return over items in Trump’s possession for 6 or 8 months, there’s no reason to believe additional administrative/court action could not be undertaken. It also implies to me that rumors of Trump betraying the country are quite unlikely to be true.
Once Garland pulled the trigger on the raid, I’d think the process would take place with the utmost professionalism to avoid the obvious political ramifications that come with the AG appointed by one party sending investigators to another. I don’t believe that happened.
I am uncomfortable painting the individuals carrying out the search (people do have responsibility and orders to follow), but when you control the premises for multiple hours, have specific data you are looking for, I would think great care would be taken to limit your search to that which you are there to take however long it takes. Instead, we end up with leaks, inferences, photo shoots and the like and the DOJ rejecting the judges rather benign assignment of an independent party to render an opinion on items that apparently should not have been taken.
Again, I get they can do all that. I just don’t know that they should have.
Anyway, this about Biden, and thankfully some folks not beholden to team Biden are going to look into it:
He seems to be blaming his attorneys for grabbing the documents. Interesting spin.
So if I stole something from you and you knew where I was keeping your stuff, you would oppose the police taking your things back from me?10 minutes ago, Chris farley said:The irony is deep.
If the Same DOJ that ordered a raid on Trumps place, doesn't investigate Biden. it proves its not justice, but political.
It is investigating Biden. It even assigned a Trump-appointed US attorney to oversee the investigation.
But facts are hard for Trumpers
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3 hours ago, Doc said:
No, the left doesn't care to show the truth about the number of deaths because Joke won and it's inconvenient for him to have more deaths under his watch than Trump, who was totally responsible for Wuhan virus.
Then I have to assume that Fox, Newsmax, OAN, and all the other right wing “news” outlets have COVID death counters on every broadcast, right?-
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21 minutes ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
This deep state stuff makes you sound a little bit off your rocker, Chi. If you can’t have a reasonable conversation about actions undertaken by the DOJ you’re wasting your time.
While Trump is most certainly a victim of political persecution—AG Barr and common sense tell us as much, it’s important to differentiate between events that clearly were malicious and problems that are potentially self-inflicted. Perhaps a separate post could be dedicated to his state of mind and psychological trauma as a result of the persecution and how it may have impacted him here, but let’s put that aside.
I have previously stated he created the problem with classified material, that’s obvious to me. Clearly he’s not a victim in that regard. I think your argument that Merrick Garland had no middle ground between resolving differences with Trump and and the swat team approach and what followed is both silly and preposterous. There’s always middle ground, but Garland chose the aggressive route to send the message he wanted to send. He had the legal right to pursue as such, so it is what it is. I should add this here—if Trump was selling or giving away intelligence, I’ll happily retroactively applaud AG Garland for his actions.
Likewise, Biden is no victim. The matter needs to be addressed, and given that the issues run the gamut from his time in the WH to time as private citizen, to his now quite hilarious declaration about playing fast and loses with top secret material, the most logical resolution is an independent party looking over what he knew, when he knew it, and why he was holding onto top secret material over a 6 or 7 year period. I see a number of politicians expressing grave concerns over Biden’s actions, that concerns me.
You should want this too, Chi, and I am surprised to see you defend the indefensible even though it’s your guy with his hand in the cookie jar.
Ok, let’s try a different tact here.
Let’s say you’re a member of law enforcement. You know John Doe has stolen property. He has been notified that he needs to return it. For more than half a year, he refuses to return it. At one point, he then says he’s returning it but your sources tell you that he’s lying and still has much of the stolen property.
At what point do you seek a search warrant? 6 months? 8? Never?
Because I think the DoJ was being more than reasonable waiting as long as it did for someone who clearly was never going to comply.
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1 hour ago, leh-nerd skin-erd said:
The Donald’s home was raided by an armed task force, kept under control of the govt for 10 hours, they seized items outside the scope of the investigation, fought judicial efforts to have an independent third party go through the material and remove items not relevant to the probe, prevailed on appeal, maintain possession of items they have no right to hold, and cited national security as the primary reason they should be allowed to self-report. Meanwhile, confidential attorney-client correspondence is said to be in play, though the DOJ pinky swears they won’t look at anything again that they may probably should not look at.
All of the foregoing is completely legal, of course, and if you prefer, brought on by The Donald getting porky over what he should or shouldn’t have.
The flip side of the argument you’re making is a career politician scoops up top secret documents apparently over a 3 year time frame, in violation of the law, whereabouts unknown from 2013-mid2017, apparently files them between his Hair Club for men treatment plan, the Macy’s credit card bill and Jill’s student loan documents, and apparently cannot account for who may/may mit have had access. Then, they’re found prior to the election, they fall off the radar for a couple months and stage argument is what brave and honest soldiers they are because they immediately told someone they had documents for 6 years.
Trump made his bed, and exposed his throat to his political enemies. You support whatever comes next, I assume.
This isn’t about Trump. Biden, too, made his bed, and exposed his throat to his political enemies. He’s sloppy, as is consistent with his political career. An independent review of his actions, especially illegal activity while a private citizen can only be undertaken by an independent special counsel.
This is a great opportunity to rebuild some trust in our system, but I sincerely doubt that’s the game plan. Like the 1/6 committee showed, side deals and protecting an ally is the order of the day.
There was absolutely zero precedent for the legal relief that Trump wanted. When asked by the appellate court, his lawyers could not cite one case that supported their motion for the special master.If Trump didn’t want a search warranted executed against him, he should have returned the government’s property when they first asked instead of obstructing for months, then returning some and lying that he returned it all.
Trump isn’t some victim or martyr to the deep state, here. All of this is singularly because he refused to obey the law despite being given ample opportunity to do so. Had he just handed over the property when asked, none of this would have happened to him.
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5 minutes ago, MILFHUNTER#518 said:
People don’t care about COVID anymore. They’d rather have people die needlessly than be inconvenienced.
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13 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
Ok- we do agree on what the law is but I think this more like 5 miles over the speed limit on a highway, technically illegal but not worth the attention. You can obviously disagree.
Generally, I agree. This is only an issue when people are asked to return the documents and don’t, destroy them, or give them away.
As I stated earlier, if Trump had just handed the documents over when NARA asked, it would be a nothingburger.
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50 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
So you are actually at the point of arguing that the piece of paper it is printed on is now important? Nice job of becoming even more pedantic. BTW you are arguing that Biden is certainly guilty also.
I’m explaining what the law is. If the president scrawls notes from a meeting on the back of a BBQ takeout menu, the archives will take that menu into its possession by the end of the president’s term.
And yes, Biden also violated the law.
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1 hour ago, Orlando Tim said:
That is not true, Can you give me a topic of which we can't have access to something that is not classified.
Under the Presidential Records Act, any presidential documents become property of the archives the moment the president’s time in office ends. This is true regardless of whether or not the documents are classified.
So even if a regular citizen may not have any prohibitions against learning the info contained in the documents, possession of the documents themselves without agreement from the archives would be prohibited.
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3 minutes ago, KDIGGZ said:
Are they going to raid his house too? Only seems fair. They might find some of Hunter's heroin while they are at it
Unlikely since Biden is cooperating with law enforcement instead of obstructing them and lying to them.-
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22 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
Please reread what I said and compare it to what you wrote. If it is still here in a few hours I will respond but I think you are confusing the idea of a document vs the information contained.
Just to reiterate: whether the documents were classified or not is legally irrelevant here. The second someone is no longer president, they lose the right to possess any presidential documents, classified or not. -
6 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:The highly curated leaks from Biden’s people are meant to get in front of the news. That’s their job. The political media, in turn, repeated, nearly verbatim, what they are told. That’s not their job. Their job is to be as skeptical of Biden’s contentions as they were of Trump’s or Clinton’s. The president, after all, has proven to be an inveterate liar.
Hey, let me know when Biden’s team signs an affidavit falsely claiming they returned all the documents when they didn’t. -
3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:
Trump, and any citizen of the country, has a right to government information that is not classified, most of us have to go through a much larger process but we all have the right to it. It being classified is the crux of the argument, I am confused on how anyone would argue otherwise.
You do not have a right to physically possess any government documents you want, whether they are classified or not. Are you arguing that you can just go into a government building and take any documents you want so long as they aren’t classified?None of the statutes that Trump is being investigated for violating require the documents to be classified. I don’t think they even mention classification at all. The fact that some were classified underscores the potential danger of mishandling of government documents but is not very relevant to the legal jeopardy Trump is in.
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Just now, Orlando Tim said:
Trump as president has the authority to declassify anything he wanted, Biden never did. Since there is not an official formal process that must be followed to declassify something the simplest argument is Trump declassified them. What is Bidens reason?
Whether or not they were classified is completely irrelevant. Neither person has the right to posses them, classified or not.
What is the same: Trump and Biden had documents they had no right to
What is different: When Biden’s team discovered the documents, they notified the government and handed them over. Trump refused to return the documents even when told he had no right to possess them.
If Trump had handed all of the documents back, he wouldn’t be in trouble.
If it’s discovered that Biden knew he had the documents he shouldn’t have and refused to return them, he should be in trouble.
This really isn’t that hard, folks.
Biden, A Good American President, Pilfers Classified Docs
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He sent a letter to the DoJ saying he had returned all the documents when he actually hadn’t.