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6 hours ago, BillsFanNC said:
And remember what @ChiGoose says. These guys are only after the truth!
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Just now, JDHillFan said:
No. A guy with a lifelong record of lies is now a paragon of virtue. That’s the most logical explanation. He’s…fine. Carry on.
Don’t put words in my mouth just because you can’t explain your own theory of the case. -
Just now, JDHillFan said:
I answered your second question. Attention to detail is important for someone that paints themselves as a purveyor of logic beyond that of the common man. Please read more carefully going forward.
To the first question I don’t know. I do know that guilty individuals sometimes try to ease their situations by cooperating and pleading rather than obfuscating. You seem to feel covering up is the only way forward for someone in his position The guy has a lifelong record of telling lies. To me, that makes him untrustworthy. To you, that makes him…fine.
So you think Pence should be indicted then?So Biden took the documents intentionally and then suddenly decided he wanted to hurt himself politically by telling on himself? This is what we are going with as the most logical explanation?
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1 minute ago, SoCal Deek said:
Intentionally? Not sure that's really the problem here...but whatever.
It’s literally the reason why someone does or doesn’t get charged. It’s why Biden and Pence will not be indicted but Trump probably will be.-
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2 hours ago, Tiberius said:
Ask him if Paul Manafort was a Russian asset
He was. He was handing polling data to the Russians who could then use it to target their IRA operations.
But I guess that all the MAGA people here would be totally fine if Hillary had given polling data to the Chinese so that they could better help her. I mean, Trump’s campaign did it, so it must be fine.
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Good. The debt ceiling is dumb and threatening to breach it for political reasons is even dumber. Don’t negotiate with hostage takers and let the American public see that the GOP wants to tank the US economy.
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6 hours ago, JDHillFan said:
That just happened repeatedly to this unwitting dupe over many years.
At least now when you try to lecture everyone on the use of logic and common sense no one needs to give you any credence.
You still haven’t answered my question:If Biden did this intentionally and had been getting away with it for years, why would he suddenly turn himself in?
Also, do you believe Pence took the documents intentionally?
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9 minutes ago, reddogblitz said:
I'm driving down the road and get pulled over by a cop. When I reach into my glove compartment to get my license and registration, an open bottle of Jack Black falls out. It was left there by my buddy who I let use my car to go on a Taco Bell run the night before. I didn't put it there and didn't even know it was there. Think the cop will believe me? Think it will matter? I'm getting a citation or going to jail. How is this different besides it's a powerful special person as opposed to a shmuck like me?
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5 hours ago, JDHillFan said:
Intentionally, yes. With malicious intent, very unlikely. My opinion.
You, as the gatekeeper of logic and common sense, want to believe that a 50+ year creature of Washington, one who has told easily disproved tall tales every step of the way, is a victim and is being done wrong by incompetent staff and is now a stand-up guy for immediately reporting himself after several years of not doing so. In drips and drabs, no less.
To use one of your terms, that’s wish-casting.
Look, I don’t particularly care for Biden. He’s… fine. If he took the documents intentionally, then he should be prosecuted.But I’m looking at the fact that apparently every government employee just walks out of the building with classified documents; and the fact that Biden volunteered that he had docs when nobody knew he did, had his people do a search and invited the feds to do a search, and I have a bit of trouble assuming he took them on purpose.
Again, if he did, he should be indicted. I’m glad the special counsel investigating this is a strong conservative. I feel like he’ll do everything he can to get Biden. If he does, Biden probably deserves it. If he doesn’t, then it’s almost certainly accidental spillage.
We’ll see what happens but I still feel like Biden and Pence are going to be in the clear.
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11 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
Focus for a moment on the documents he has had since his time as a senator. They didn’t accidentally get packed up. He took them. That’s the only way to get them out of a SCIF. IF HE’S WILLING TO DO THAT AS A SENATOR, DO YOU THINK HE WOULD BE MORE RESERVED AS A VICE PRESIDENT OR PRESIDENT? OR DOES LOGIC TELL YOU THAT HE MIGHT THINK HE COULD GET AWAY WITH MORE THAN EVER BEFORE.
apologies for the all caps. Unintentional and I do not wish to correct it. Maybe that’s what happened to Biden Trump and Pence. Unintentional and they just did not wish to correct it until many many years later in Biden’s case and never in trumps case.
Only top secret documents require a SCIF. Secret and confidential documents can be viewed outside of a SCIF. So the docs that look really bad for Biden are the ten with top secret classification. Lower classified documents (apparently) can get picked up with non-classified documents unintentional.
Do you think Pence took the documents intentionally?
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1 hour ago, JDHillFan said:
I guess logic and common sense tells us that this fine public servant, who’s made a career of bullsh*ting that has lasted several decades, decided after many years to just come clean because it was the right thing to do. No external forces at play whatsoever.
If you are going to paint yourself as the voice of reason please at least shoot for some consistency across ideological lines. You are diminishing your own standing as an expert here.
I’m asking honestly, what’s your theory of the case here? Why go to the feds if this was intentional and they weren’t already aware.
My theory is simply that whoever packed up his offices grabbed documents they shouldn’t have. Seems like that’s the case with Pence. I think Jimmy Carter walked away with government docs accidentally too.
If Biden took them intentionally and they can prove that, he should be indicted. Barring a change in facts, I just don’t see that as the likely outcome here. Biden and Pence appear to be in the same bucket with what we know at this stage.
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3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:
Occam’s Razor - it takes a willful act to remove classified docs from a SCIF and a SCIF is where a congressperson would be reviewing classified documents.
You being the foremost practitioner of logic on this board, I figured you would know that.
Then why suddenly decide to tell on yourself? And then conduct a search and turn over more documents.
If this has been intentional and he’d been getting away with it for years, why would he tell the Feds about it?
5 minutes ago, rm -rf /* said:You mean withholding the information prior to the midterms?
He informed the government immediately. Same day they were discovered, I believe.-
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Just now, JDHillFan said:
You wouldn’t answer this previously - did the classified documents from Biden’s time as a senator just accidentally leave the SCIF with him? Stuck to his shoe? Fell in his pocket? Surely you have a logical explanation that absolves this fine public servant.
Accidental spillage!!
I don’t know. That’s what you have an investigation for.
Pence says that his documents were inadvertently packed with his stuff. Maybe it’s the same with Biden. Maybe it’s not. We’ll see.
Clearly the controls around classified documents aren’t effective.
11 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:Sure! Keep right on believing that Biden’s in charge. I’m sure he is. The Deep State is the term used for the permanent bureaucracy class…not some secret society.
So it’s your contention that the bureaucracy is controlling everything and Biden isn’t actually president? Who is in charge of the bureaucracy? Who is making those decisions? -
6 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
There were no nuclear secrets and everyone knows it. That was a ridiculous leak. The raid served its purpose. Trump is further bloodied. Now as to Biden, nobody in the deep state cares about the content. Once again, the ‘discovery’ served its purpose. He has been made to look feeble. His time is over. Now…we all wait to see who they pick as the next puppet king.
Ah, the good old “Deep State” theory. Can’t possibly be that Trump wanted to take documents while Biden and Pence (or their staff) were careless.
Nope, there’s a secret cabal that’s so incredibly powerful that they control everything. Yep, that makes more sense than the simplest explanations that all of the evidence already points to.
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Just now, BillsFanNC said:
I've read it all. Far, far more than you have I can assure you.
The FBI can claim whatever they want about when they began Crossfire hurricane. The fact remains the entire thing was dead in the water by August 2016. The FBI OGC said they did not have sufficient evidence to get FISA warrants.
Enter the Steele Dossier, they got their warrants and it was off to the races.
The investigation was already well under way before the Steele Dossier. Only some of the Carter Page warrants were deemed improper, others were fine. And in any case, Page was a minor part of the overall investigation.
So I guess the truth is whatever you say it is, facts be damned.
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1 minute ago, BillsFanNC said:
Well I certainly don't get it from outlets that have long been proven liars and propagandists as you do.
So there's that.
Heres an idea: read the reports. Or just the executive summaries. Or just the introduction. Or just the freaking table of contents.
Willful ignorance is wild.
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9 minutes ago, BillsFanNC said:
Sure man. It was just the central piece that the FBI used to start the entire thing.
C’mon man. That’s been debunked time and time again. I don’t know where you get your news but it must be terrible.
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For anyone interested in actually learning the truth instead of spewing nonsense, you can check the reports yourself and see both that the Steele Dossier was not the center of the investigations and that the Trump campaign was attempting to work with the Russians to win the election.
Senate Intelligence Report on Russia
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7 minutes ago, Doc said:
Like you guys were and have been wrong on Russian collusion, because it confirms your priors? Read the addition to my previous post. This was one of the worst collusions in history, akin to J6 being one of the worst insurrections in history. But if it plays to your beliefs, who cares, right?
The Trump campaign actively sought assistance from Russia to win the election. They met to try to get oppo info, they shared polling data, they tried to set up a secret back channel so they could communicate with the Russians without anyone finding out.But all that’s fine because he’s your guy, right? And you’d be totally fine if other candidates did it too, right?
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
It was the basis for several things but was ultimately found to be bogus so they tried to bury it.
They looked into it, found most of it to not be credible and moved on to the other heaps of evidence.I get that it’s fun to just read the news that confirms your priors but when we’re talking about investigations that have public reports, why wouldn’t you just read those instead of insisting on being wrong?
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6 minutes ago, Doc said:
It played a central role.
It absolutely did not. The Senate Intelligence report and the Mueller Report are both public. You can go check them for yourself but you’re not going to find a ton about the Steele Dossier because it wasn’t a central part of the investigations.
The media blew up to be way bigger than it was.
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1 minute ago, Doc said:
So then who's colluding with whom? And DJ got nothing from Veselnitskaya (since it was a setup) whereas Steele took a lot of bogus Russian disinformation and used it to get a sitting President removed.
What are you talking about? Do you think that the Steele Dossier was the trigger or basis for the Russia investigation? Because it wasn’t. It was largely discredited and dismissed by investigators.
However, there were dozens of actual contacts between the Russians and the Trump campaign, which was very willing to accept their help.
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2 minutes ago, Doc said:
Yup, Russians.
Yeah, that’s why you’re supposed to vet the info before making it public. -
1 hour ago, Doc said:
From where do you fancy Steele, a disgraced former British spy, got his dirt on Trump?
Igor Danchenko, among others.
Select Subcommittee on the Weaponization of the Federal Government
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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Look, I get it. Your brain is rotted and you can’t figure out facts from fiction. know it’s tough buddy, but keep trying. Maybe someday you’ll say something intelligent. Maybe.