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42 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yeah just like how the moon landing was faked with CGI 

Some people will fall for the dumbest propaganda from the geniuses who confused SIM cards with the game “The Sims”

 

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10 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

 

Lol no American troops there. 

 

100,000 Russian troops have been killed……allegedly!  Per Ukraine 

No coverage. 
 

Just deep fake videos.  

There’s tons of coverage. I see videos from the war literally every day. There are embedded journalists, there are independent outlets covering it, it’s everywhere if you’re looking for it. 
 

The only way you could believe that there’s no coverage is if you live in such an isolated bubble that the real world cannot penetrate it. 

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3 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:

One thing they have in common is that both cities have experienced the “benefit” of democrat/progressive rule for decades running. 

Top 5 states by homicide rate:

1. Mississippi

2. Louisiana

3. Alabama

4. Missouri

5. Arkansas

Didn’t realize progressives were running those states…

Also:

“But there is a large piece of the homicide story that is missing and calls into question the veracity of the right-wing obsession over homicides in Democratic cities: murder rates are far higher in Trump-voting red states than Biden-voting blue states. And sometimes, murder rates are highest in cities with Republican mayors.

 

For example, Jacksonville, a city with a Republican mayor, had 128 more murders in 2020 than San Francisco, a city with a Democrat mayor, despite their comparable populations. In fact, the homicide rate in Speaker Nancy Pelosi’s San Francisco was half that of House Republican Leader Kevin McCarthy’s Bakersfield, a city with a Republican mayor that overwhelmingly voted for Trump. Yet there is barely a whisper, let alone an outcry, over the stunning levels of murders in these and other places.”

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19 minutes ago, Boatdrinks said:

A check of the Police blotter would show that most days in Chicago are a day of hate anyway. 

2022 Homicide rates:

Chicago - 25.8

Buffalo - 24.6

 

Is every day in Buffalo a day of hate too?

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22 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

there hasnt even been any disclosure of peace. boris johnson flew out as fast as he could to disrupt peace talks between the two early on BEFORE so much extra death torture and distruction took place which is pretty insane since his people lives were not in direct consideration.

 

your under the assumption where china "stalled" and we are about to turn the tide. if the us was completely dep on another nation and we were against a nuclear arsenal with a mad man with one press of a button could wipe everyone out including those that have supported us then i seriously would have to concider peace talks. its not like we could not take back our country and fight in other ways. Ukraine and russia have been at war ling before the invasion. bombing raids in crimea has that ever stopped. so this hatred and war is just a escalation of the things your saying. 

So any time a nuclear power wants to take territory and kill civilians, we should just let them? Let’s just carve out the world for Russia and China so they can take whatever want and we’ll just come to the “negotiations” with our tails between our legs. 

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32 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

so ill ask you the same. should they fight to every man woman child is lost instead of making a compromise with peace or is that the correct coarse of action. if they are losing badly and could have made a agreement are you ready to send your kids or yourself? seems american leadership is willing to do that so this is not a hypothetical.

 

Let me ask you this:

 

If China invaded the United States, took a good chunk of our territory before stalling out, was torturing and murdering civilians, instituted a policy of kidnapping American kids and taking them to re-education camps so that they can be brainwashed into thinking that China is superior and the US really doesn’t exist, would you be willing to cede a parts of the US to them? Would you condemn US citizens to indoctrination, torture, and death?

 

If China had stalled out and the US was poised to take the upper hand and potentially regain the occupied territories, would you instead sue for peace?

 

Because I sure as hell wouldn’t. 

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29 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

B make honest ongoing efforts to bring about peace. it would be nice if this too was transparent. dep on what the compromise to achieve peace im thinking avoiding nuclear war, ww3 or even just avoiding prolonged mass bloodshed for a single day may be a bit more important then some land because dead people do not need land. 

They’ve been pretty clear about this: restoration of their borders and sovereignty. 

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4 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Maybe he's been living in a cave?

Maybe PJRedStateBartTwitchyDotMAGADotWin doesn’t have good war correspondents?

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2 minutes ago, Big Blitz said:

Yep.  
 

 

This stuff is readily available for anyone who is interested. Maybe it’s not that it’s not there but that some people have closed their bubbles so they never see it. 

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Saw this going around here in Chicago and it looks like it may not be limited to just the Illinois Nazis:

 

Hopefully it’s overblown and these losers just keep losing and embarrassing themselves but be vigilant this weekend and stay safe just the same.  

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55 minutes ago, L Ron Burgundy said:

I dont think the pro Russia people understand what Russia does with the countries under their thumb.  Former eastern bloc nations,  aside from Serbia, despise Russia.  

Russia is torturing and executing civilians and they are even kidnapping children and “re-educating” them to eliminate their Ukrainian heritage. 
 

It’s textbook genocide: trying to erase a culture. 
 

And yet some people are surprised that Ukraine doesn’t want to capitulate to Russia and leave its citizens in the hands of those who wish to liquidate them. 

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12 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Thanks Goose

Then we agree. The free world should be looking to end this NOW. Whether that’s through peace talks, strongly worded ‘negotiations’, or just supplying them with an unbeatable force. But…this has gone on long enough and has evolved from a ‘small incursion’ to a year long virtual stalemate. This is unacceptable in the 21st Century. If the world can’t settle this sort of conflict, we’ve really not evolved much at all. Sad. 

Well, peace talks will go nowhere at this point. Putin likely won’t settle for less than overthrowing the Ukrainian government and installing a pro-Russia puppet. And Ukraine (rightfully) won’t want to cede territory that leaves any Ukrainians in the hands of those torturing, killing, and kidnapping them as part of their plan of genocide. 
 

So the only way to bring this to a close quicker is to ensure one side gains the decisive upper hand. I would very much prefer that side to be Ukraine. 

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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Well instead of a snarky response, why not tell me why this ‘war’ is still going on? Are you a military expert? Or just a guy who slept in a Holiday Inn Express last night? 

Ukraine is a smaller country with a smaller army that has been transitioning to a more modern NATO style but was similarly decrepit as Russia as recently as 2014. 
 

If we want to end this quickly, we should just give Ukraine everything they need to launch a counteroffensive and reclaim their territory. Anything short of that and this war is going to continue to drag on as a small modern force defends against a much larger outdated military.

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5 hours ago, BrooklynBills said:

I think the Bills would probably pay that deal too

I would be good with that 

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58 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

well i will say you put effort out to reply. i will do the same. 

 

 

i grew up in a time the right was the ones censoring based on relgion. i fought against that and would to this day. when you talk about being a christian theocracy. sorry but that was the major religion in western society so yes..thats what we were based on. 

 

a good point being raised is why this religion is so hated today by leftists. sure there were atrocities, they happen with every entity to gain power. that doesnt mean that churches where communities gather and the overall teachings..most that promote citizens being kind and generous to each other is the evil entity so many would like to portray or at all comp to the points i raised.

 

 

your being hyperbolic as with much of this response. i dont see that. i dont see a wide call for fully auto military weaponry. there are major checkpoints in place the left wants to keep increasing until guns are unattainable to average people. they cant clean up areas under their complete control. blame Rs somehow. they have laxed illegal gun possession. they blame legal gun owners for every evil and yes they want to take pretty much all guns. how again has the right not routinley compromised yet the left demands more? how is it this isnt against the very fundamental of the founding of this nation.

 

 

 

more hyporbolics. you may not care but that doesn't mean its not being implemented. that was a example. sorry I'm a true liberal on this issue holding MLKs teachings in high regard. the right isnt saying whites are "not white" if they are liberal but you will hear the worst words if a minority is conservative. this subject is non negotiable to me. treat everyone as equal individuals and not groups. in your head you here a different racist message but where is the implementation?

 

 

sigh. so stopping any age inappropriate content from schools is evil? hitler must be at the head of the FCC. banning movies books and words off of our media for decades! if you want to see banning take a look at amazon and others that happily stop the sales of books to everyone..not just children. 

 

 

its referencing covid lies. its referencing federal prisons puting men into the womens population based on only their words. rapists...women prisoners becoming pregnant. i could go on but you need to do a bit of research if that accusation is foriegn to you.

 

 

well that's great to hear. this is the closest i think to a admitting the left is wrong and should be fought against. the thing is it doesnt change the outcome of victims that have already been affected or their grieving families. i can go into great detail but here is one example in my city. 

 

https://www.blackenterprise.com/mother-of-three-fatally-shot-in-front-of-kids-after-posting-domestic-violence-video/

 

crime may be up but for a side that wanted to completely abolish police lessen or eliminate punishments not long ago. eventually changing your mind does not help those who suffered from the crime that was completely preventable if not for leftist demands. you should probably hurry up in reversing coarse.

 

 

im showing you examples of ideology and its results that are having destructive effects on our country. so how long do citizens sit and see the distruction and say they no longer want to be part of it or fight against it? as much as you want to think its small segments of your party. alot is being implemented or echoed federally to these people. in response you have explained anecdotes and hyperbole. ban books when everyone knows the left is the driving force of cancel culture. people want rocket launchers and chain fed guns? come on? one pizza shop guy who believed the powerful were running a pedo ring...before epstein was arrested 🤔. libs of tictok? is that your example? reposting peoples videos to the public...that they made public. these are the examples you give to the death, destruction and division ones i gave? the issue is not the fringe on both sides. its the fact those who are not them but still in their faction refusal to fight against them on fear of them being labled as "the other" so it spirals deeper.

also it is about thinking the other side is the worst of human kind. you contribute to this in your PS. "literal nazis"? the press made trump disavow  hmm so i guess we won't look at the "literal communists" that scream burn it all down while throwing molotovs while the media rarely asks about and our democratic leaders refuse to even acknowledge the existence of.

 

but this has nothing to do with civil war. 

 

 

This is why I didn’t want to do a point-by-point response. It’s just devolves into arguing about literally every single possible issue instead of the topic at hand. 
 

A national divorce would lead to a civil war. It would be messy, people would die and even in the most optimistic scenario, we would all be far worse off than we are now. 
 

Personally, I think that’s bad and we should work to bring ourselves more together not push each other further apart. Surprisingly, it seems a good number of people disagree. 
 

And my point about the Nazis was that we SHOULDN’T judge a party by its worst members. I thought that was pretty clear. 

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Another in a long line of unpopular GOP policies designed at helping the rich at the expense of the rest of us. 
 

This is also why they spend all their time talking about culture war issues to get people mad and rile up their base: GOP policies are generally deeply unpopular with the average Americans so they want people voting based on anger and fear, not policies. 

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I didn’t want to list them out because I think it misses the point, but I’ll throw some out from the top of my head because you asked. 

 

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how? one side thinks the fundamental principals on which the country was founded are a good basis for living and the other sees them as wrong and must be changed from the very roots. how in the hell is that sustainable and what would make ANYONE think changing them is going to bring about more individual prosperity and freedom then the one place on the planet that has the most? 

 

The Right doesn’t own the founding of this country. The Founders were careful to keep the endorsement of a specific religion out of the Constitution but the right insists that we are a Christian theocracy. 
 

The founders grounded the right to bear arms as a way to maintain well regulated militias but the right believes this means everyone has the right to own any kind of gun with few to no restrictions. 
 

The right today is mythologizing a past that never existed. 
 

 

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the left wants to divide the national anthem! smothered in identity politics that no longer sees people on a individual basis. it doesn't get more divisive then saying some are discluded from a national anthem or different. you claim the right does this yet i never saw evidence.

 

I bet that if you asked, a full 90% of the left wouldn’t really care about the anthem debate. 
 

And as for identity politics, you might be missing the “real American” identify driving the right. It’s rural white Christians as the true Americans and everyone else is “the other”

How many memes have you seen about this being a conservative country because if you plot the presidential vote by land instead of people, there’s more red?

 

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the left thinks parents should not have the ability to discern their own children's education and this administration has targeted as terrorists if they demand it.

The right is literally banning books. When in the entirety of world history have the people who ban books turned out to be the good guys?
 

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the left has changed definitions and science to push agendas. not extreme at all.

 

I honestly don’t know what this means or is referencing. 
 

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the left has emboldened criminal behavior with woke DAs slapping people on the wrist while seeking harsh criminal sentances to those who have defended their lives and not the aggressors.

The progressive prosecutor movement isn’t even super popular on the left. Here in Chicago, the likely leading mayoral candidate is strongly pro-police and is endorsed by the police union.
 

However, the impact of these prosecutors on crime is greatly over exaggerated on the right because they won’t compare crime rates in similar cities with different approaches (hint: crime is up everywhere)
 

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freedom of speech is being erased by the left and ignored/cheered when tactics are used against anyone with differing opinions. covid was prime example twitter was conclusive in this.

 

This conversation started because some on the right are literally calling for a war against their own country because they don’t like what people say. 
 

In addition to that, people’s lives are being endangered because the right insists on slandering trans people and drag queens as pedophiles. 

A guy with a gun went into a pizza place because he thought the owners were using the non-existent basement for pedophilia.

 

There is a popular twitter account on the right that routinely dehumanizes trans people and drag queens, driving people to threaten them or even instigate violence. 

 

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these arent minor things and there is no justification should be made for any of the above..yet you will and say this will lead to a "better tomorrow". i see it on this board everyday.

 

These aren’t minor things and there is no justification that should be made for any of the above.. yet you will say this will “return us to our values”. I see it on this board every day. 
 

 

Look, the extremists on both sides push unpopular ideas that get popularized by the corporatist media that cares more about getting people mad so they stay tuned in than reporting the truth. 

 

But the overwhelming majority on both sides just care about kitchen table issues. They aren’t dialed into politics 24/7 and they aren’t familiar with the majority of things discussed on this board. 
 

Instead of defending the position of having us kill each other, why not advocate for ways to bring us back together?

 

PS: if you’re trying to say all members of a political party are as bad as the worst members of that party, do try to remember that the current GOP is supported by literal Nazis. 

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5 minutes ago, Buffarukus said:

 

how? one side thinks the fundamental principals on which the country was founded are a good basis for living and the other sees them as wrong and must be changed from the very roots. how in the hell is that sustainable and what would make ANYONE think changing them is going to bring about more individual prosperity and freedom then the one place on the planet that has the most? 

 

the left wants to divide the national anthem! smothered in identity politics that no longer sees people on a individual basis. it doesn't get more divisive then saying some are discluded from a national anthem or different. you claim the right does this yet i never saw evidence.

 

the left thinks parents should not have the ability to discern their own children's education and this administration has targeted as terrorists if they demand it.

 

the left has changed definitions and science to push agendas. not extreme at all.

 

the left has emboldened criminal behavior with woke DAs slapping people on the wrist while seeking harsh criminal sentances to those who have defended their lives and not the aggressors.

 

freedom of speech is being erased by the left and ignored/cheered when tactics are used against anyone with differing opinions. covid was prime example twitter was conclusive in this.

 

these arent minor things and there is no justification should be made for any of the above..yet you will and say this will lead to a "better tomorrow". i see it on this board everyday.

 

 

 

Already explained it, but divorcing an abusive spouse doesn’t result in a war in which people die. 
 

Also, I could list a similar litany of ways the GOP has betrayed the values of this country and denigrates the left, but it would be pointless. 
 

If you’re unhappy with how things are (as I am), you should be advocating for ways to make them better instead of excusing those who are advocating for us to kill each other. 

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4 minutes ago, BillStime said:

 

You know, we could save the planet if we just hooked Reagan’s coffin to the power grid. He’s gotta be spinning so fast he could power the entire country. 

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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Okay…so ‘you’ have the bulky pulpit now. How about if Biden knocks it off? Do we have a deal? 

Sorry to break it to you, but the President of the United States doesn’t take my calls. 

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4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

You’re a reasonable guy Goose. Did you REALLY think that elected officials could call American citizens every name in the book, and it NOT end up with some people getting REALLY pissed off? Really? 

Sure, people get pissed off at the dumbest things. 
 

Doesn’t mean that a second civil war is a good idea. 
 

Maybe we should focus our energies on reforms that would turn down the heat instead of accelerating it. 

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3 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:

Sure Goose. You must be right. You’re always right….in your mind. 

Divorces in abusive relationships don’t usually end in an actual war. What is being proposed here would. 

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1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Couldn’t agree more. It far better to stay married in an abusive relationship where one side calls the other side, deplorable, Neanderthal terrorists. 😉

That’s an absolutely ridiculous comparison and you know it. 

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6 minutes ago, Tiberius said:

 

No, I’m pretty sure that if we stopped supplying Ukraine and made them give Putin what he wants, then Putin will totally stop and world peace will ensue with rainbows and puppies for all. 

 

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Anyone supporting the dissolution of the United States is a traitor and should be treated as such.

 

We may have our disagreements but the moment you start seeing your fellow Americans as the enemy is the moment you’ve betrayed the values this country was founded upon.