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This has been discussed a dozen times. It just doesn't work like that. Also you'd also lose two positions at once if they ever got hurt.

Did the announcer say we were playing starters on offense? Coulda fooled me.

Every play: Literally every whistle: An umpire is within 48 nautical miles of something that can make a shrill sound: These announcers: "THERE'S A FLAG....err, oops nevermind just a whistle."

Enough with the short dumps already.

Hey look, something we actually kind of agree with.

I'm pretty sure the notion of her actually telling people she was a college student/legal age might have something to do with defending a stat rape charge. This part isn't a he said/she said case that needs a long investigation, he already admitted to having sex with her. The fact that he wasn't charged with stat rape long ago is likely proof that there's something there with the claims she was lying about making it known she was underage.

I take MASSIVE ethical/moral issues with your #1. It should not be so easy to turn someone's life upside down on a whim, just because you can afford the consequences without regard to the human life you are destroying. Only highly paid QBs and the like deserve fundamental rights and respect now?

Knowingly pushing for punishments for rape against a potentially innocent man cheapens the experiences of women who were actually raped by those they accused. Blindly screaming with the emotional mob does NOTHING to help actual rape victims (even if she was raped, and she probably was, that's not the point), and actually does more harm than good. You also CAN'T reinforce the notion that all you have to do is make a claim to have your enemies harmed, this is a literal cornerstone of the legal system and society as a whole.

I can't get over how many people are trying to pull the "cut him, he's just a punter, who cares" card. As I've said before, I don't care if he's an All Pro QB, "just a punter", the waterboy, or a bum in the street, your station or fame shouldn't dictate what rights you have. Way to reinforce the idea that only the rich and famous are worthy of respect, dignity, and fundamental rights.

As far as I know, the league itself can't punish him (happened in college and not subject to league rules), but the team can still cut him for just about any (non discriminatory) reason.

No, the best case scenario is that the witnesses are true that she was actually telling people she was in college, which would likely negate the statutory rape charge.

Absolutely. NO ONE here is saying we shouldn't lynch a rapist. We're just saying we should verify he IS a rapist BEFORE we lynch him. The fact that people are eagerly willing to lynch someone who could be innocent "just to be safe" is alarming. I never wish harm on people, but I absolutely wish false rape charges on everyone willing to lynch a man based on nothing more than a single allegation before the facts come out.

My search history is now filled with entries about STDs, date rape drugs, and statutory rape laws thanks to this thread. Those were not the kinds of lists I expected to end up on as a member of Bills Mafia.

This is about PEOPLE. The punter is a PERSON too and deserves the same rights as everyone else. The fact you completely lack any sense of empathy for the possibility of someone having their life ruined from a false charge is alarming.

Yeah LITERALLY NOTHING is gained by jumping to mob outrage and lynching. Everyone who calls for him to be cut even if innocent because of "distraction" deserves to have false rape charges laid against them to see if their tune suddenly changes about if you should wait for facts first before losing your livelihood and reputation.

THEY ONLY FOUND OUT AFTER THEY DRAFTED HIM.

Where do you guys get this "intentionally gave her an STD thing? All I saw in the article was a line saying he admitted to having sex with her, and then separately suggesting she get tested. Nothing saying he had an STD or intentionally gave her one. They may have intentionally phrased it in a way to imply he gave her the STD, but she just had sexual contact with several strange men so a recommendation to get tested is prudent advice in general.

Way to intentionally not get the point. It's about THERE'S NO EVIDENCE YET, and yes false claims do sometimes happen, especially when a popular athlete is involved. There doesn't need to be some grand conspiracy on her end, she could just be mistaken and having false memories, she could be absolutely true, she could be telling an absolute lie, WE DON'T KNOW. Also as for derailing his career, the alleged incident happened before NFL rules applied to him, so they can't punish him. Any career derailment would have to be unofficial with teams just not wanting to sign him (Colin K), but you know damn well he'll have a million dollar job on any number of teams if the only controversy is a single unverified claim. So yeah, the cash grab angle is still possible (not saying likely) especially with this only going public after he secured a starting job.

There's also the Occam's Razor thing. What is more likely in a state with STRICT statutory rape laws... ...that a 17 year old girl told everyone she was only 17/in high school and he was still like ok cool let's get an automatic rape charge? ...or that a girl who drinks underage and sleeps with random men would tell everyone she was 18/in college at a college party? Whether or not the allegations of rape are true, teenage girls lie about their age to get booze/sex ALL THE DAMN TIME.

No, he didn't admit to that. He suggested she get tested, a completely rational suggestion for someone who sleeps with random men at parties and (consensual or not) just had sexual contact with a number at once.

It sure as hell can. For the hundredth time, I'm not absolutely claiming him to be innocent, but I have literal firsthand knowledge of false claims arising from EXACTLY THAT SCENARIO. I've personally been witness to teenage girls talking about making up a story to have my best friend charged with rape, with them even admitting to having her mother in on the lie to punish him for perceived grievances against them. If he's guilty I'll gladly sign off on a bullet being put in him. But he hasn't at all been proven guilty by any means.

And there's also reports saying she was telling people she was in college, not high school.

As much as that sucks it happened to you, I guess I'm in agreement I'm being glad it was you rather than her. But your story is why I'm so dubious about these claims she was roofied and somehow remembers just enough to implicate him. There is close to zero chance a recollection of him after their consensual encounter would be clear enough whether or not he was involved. As I've said she -probably- was raped, but the evidence just isn't there yet to say if he was involved (and I don't -think- he was based on the timeline so far).

As I've posted, I've had a friend who was nearly charged with rape based on nothing other than petty teenage girls wanting to break up with him and make him look bad, and had an uncle serve time for false rape charges (it was actually a different uncle who did it) based solely on a petty family grudge. Both sets of accusers privately admitted the claims were false, so I personally have direct experience false rape claims absolutely do happen. The perceived seriousness of the claims have no logical bearing on the truth of the claim.

Yeah I think it is highly likely she was raped. But I also think it's entirely possible she's misremembering things and her brain is falsely tying him to the rape in a desperate bid to make sense of a traumatic and chaotic thing that happened to her. She so clearly remembers having sex with him, but then details only get fuzzy after so she wasn't roofied (if she was) until after his involvement. Again, it's also possible he WAS involved in the rape, but from what I'm seeing there isn't any evidence of that yet. Would be really strange for him to roofie her only AFTER having sex with her, that's like begging to be caught because her sex with you would be the one thing she's most likely to remember.