HoofHearted

Stick around. Maybe you’ll learn you something 😉.

No Edmunds apologist here. He’s an above average player. Not a game changer. Not a weak link. This “instinct” argument though is overplayed… you can’t ad-lib a run fit. Those who understand football know this. Please read.

That 4th and 1 play was unbelievable by Edmunds. Our end (Rousseau I think?) got reached but Tremaine covered for him. Gave up the 1st but we were in 0 right there. It’d likely have been a touchdown.

You can disagree all you’d like - buts that’s how it’s taught. That’s his assignment - he HAS to be in chase until his guy engages with a defender to block. That’s how man coverage works. We’ll learn ya something big fella! Gets a whole lot more interesting when you do!

If he plays the cutback then there is no cutback, and the play runs as it was designed to. Everyone has a role in run defense. You have a gap assignment on every single call, and if you don't fit your gap or have two guys in one gap you get gashed. Expecting a player to be responsible for two gaps is asinine.

Can't play man without having man eyes - his eyes are on his guy and nowhere else as they should be. With all the RPO game now if he peaks in the backfield he's beat in man coverage. They essentially "ran him off" like when a receiver will just run a vertical to take the DB out of the play. He did what he was suppose to do - the front 7 just has to do their job.

Appreciate the advice. The wall of text is absolutely overwhelming. I explain 1 Rat Coverage in a little more detail here (sorry for the wall of text again).

Check this out then.

Patriots are running Counter Trey here - pulling the backside Guard to kick and H-Back to wrap up to the inside backer. Every other offensive lineman (other than the backside Tackle) are blocking down on the first DL to their right. The backside Tackle is scooping to the 3 tech to that they can read the backside end (Rousseau). Bills get caught in their 1 Rat Coverage (Man Free). The root of the issue here is how they plan on treating an H-Back across the formation post-snap. There doesn't appear to be any trade rules in place based on how Taron Johnson is playing the H across as he's looking to following him across the field which ultimately leaves the Bills a guy short in the box. Hughes does a good job of getting to heel line, squeezing, and then leveraging the kick. Milano does not do a very good job of getting downhill to fit tight off the tackle and meet the H-back at the heel line which allows Harris room and time to find the cutback. Tremaine does a good job scraping with the pulling guard, but needs to take a slightly more downhill path to meet the tackle, who ends up working up to the second level, closer to the LoS. He HAS to fit outside of the Tackle that works up to him. Harrison Phillips gets completely stood up and then washed out of the play which is what ultimately opens up the cutback lane that Taron Johnson should fill. Dane Jackson gets caught in no mans land as well (and it looks really bad on film), but he's playing man coverage on the outside receiver. Since that receiver is responsible for blocking Taron and he runs across the formation the receiver follows him all the way across which makes Dane have to follow him assuming he's running some type of shallow cross. Our ultimate cut-back defender (Poyer) isn't visible on the broadcast angle so I can't tell what hung him up, but I would guess he got caught with bad eyes. Really good scheme for what we had dialed up defensively on this play. If we'd been sitting in our "soft zone" 🤣 3 high coverages like we usually do on 1st Down this would have been a 3 yard gain as Taron would have been sitting right there for the cutback. Counter Trey What the run fits should have looked like.

Incorrect. I’ve been arguing that he’s been used as much as he has last year (as per his snap count numbers). And that he’s been used in the same way he was used last year as far as package and play designs. Which is exactly the counter to the point you’ve been making. I dont know what else to say at this point. This has gotten awkward.

They haven’t, but sure if that’s what fits your narrative that’s fine. As far as the X’s and O’s I’m positive I know what I’m talking about and they’ve used him in exactly the same ways they used him last year.

Offensive snap count is down to 17% from 25% last year - that while missing a game due to being inactive. What has increased significantly is his role as a returner this year which is likely part of the reason they aren’t using him as much offensively as well. However, they’ve used him the exact same way they used him last year (up until today) - sparingly - just like last year.

Not what I said at all actually. You asked why we don’t use him. I explained to you why he’s not used as a primary receiver. He’s being used in the same capacity he was last year.

Has everything to do with it. He’s a package player and he’s been used in the same packages he was used in last year.

I assume you think the big 31 yard gain was his fault?

That’s by design. If you are an interior rusher and you lose your first move you are a low box player and coached to hold the LoS until the QB steps up into the pocket. It’s the edge rushers job yo set the high box and force the QB to step up. The play you’re referring to has a stunt between Edmunds and Oliver where Oliver twisted off of Edmunds rush and came through Scott free because Edmonds did his job.

100% agree. He needs to have “his package” of things that he does really well. The misdirection stuff in the run game with the jet/orbit motion game and then the obvious man coverage beaters running high and shallow crossers are mismatches against most nickel corners or safeties.

He’s still a work in progress as far as being able to run the route tree from the slot. He’s not as polished a route runner as Beasley is but was a complete mismatch running those crossers against the Patriots man coverage.

Can you not say this for any play caller in the league? Players make you look good or bad. You can prepare them as much as you want throughout the week, but it ultimately comes down to how guys execute under fire.

Beasley is the more polished route runner - he understand coverages and where the soft spots in zone are. McKenzie is just quick af and good at getting separation on crossers.

More than likely, yeah. But you don’t just give them an unearned touchdown. We weren’t lined up to the shift.

Motor can go with some blocking.

He dumps it off because we are playing tight coverage 😉

Play design was fine on the 2 point - throw needed to be made quicker but since it wasn’t Kumerow needs to adjust his route in front of the defender.

You rather he give them a free touchdown?