HoofHearted
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10 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Do you have any idea why they aren't committing to running the ball vs light boxes in general though? Apparently they are running vs light boxes at a much lower frequency than in 2021.
Also it looked like they were blocking a lot of inside zone vs Dolphins. Is that a function of the injuries?
I wasn't able to watch the Miami game yet, but I'd venture to guess we aren't seeing as many light boxes as we did last season. Teams had to honor our two home run threats on the outside. I don't think anyone views Gabe Davis as a home run threat worth committing help over the top to. He's not a burner, we've just done a really good job of schemeing him open on deep stuff and he's an excellent route runner for a big guy.
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18 hours ago, PonyBoy said:
Interesting point.
It's funny how a Derrick Henry can make Ryan Tannehill look so very good, but Josh Allen's talent doesn't for our RB's as Henry for Tannehill has.
Not a slam on Allen, you just think with so much focus on Josh and the pass, the RB's would have a hey day when runs are called.
If Allen wasn't a run threat himself I'd bet you'd see this as we'd see more light boxes. Because he is a run threat your can't afford to give us a light box because we have an extra blocker in the box on any given play.
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
I am a member of a general NFL forum and they have told me for the better part of a year now that McDermott holds our roster back. I’ve brushed off these comments for some time, but i’m starting to see their point.
- 0 and 7 in one score games the last two seasons
- Challenging a clear Titans catch last week was indefensible
- Not challenging a potential Gabe Davis TD this week was indefensible
- Playing shallow coverage on 3rd and 22, allowing TWO seperate receivers to get open deep, is indefensible
- Not having your WR’s ready to go down with enough time to spike the ball
- Don’t even get me started on 13 seconds
- Our inability to win short yardage situations for several years is indefensible.
- We as a team seem to have removed QB sneak from the play book. We never run it. Ever. See this tweet for how I feel about that. Hard to think that’s not a directive from the top, seeing that two separate OC’s refuse to call it.
What is “shallow coverage”?
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2 hours ago, Wizard said:
With a top shelf passing game and a solid defense (only going to get better when the CB's and DT's) get healthy, there are no complaints whatsoever about scoring 28-40 points a game with Allen at the helm running a pass heavy offense.
I am curious about the vision the team has for the running game though.
Is there an ideal split for carries? Do the Bills plan on having three or four capable backs and churning over new ones every few years for salary to be used on other positions while Allen is a top 3 QB the next decade? Do we have 4-5 passing options each down and keep doing that until a team learns to slow the offense a bit?
I think it is awesome that the Bills barely utilize a running game. Other than Singletary having like two big games last year to get over 800 yards, our RB's have averaged like 500-600 yards the past 5 years when you take away Allen's running skills.
I wonder if the Bills will have a bell cow back again, or if RB is likely the 4th option on most plays.
Thoughts? Would you like to see anything different or are you indifferent like me as long as we win?
The days of the bell cow back are over. You just have to run enough to keep the defense honest. Allen’s threat as a runner also lends a huge hand in our success in the pass game as well so you can’t abandon that either.
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5 hours ago, Locomark said:
So let’s see we run for 4 yards a play but we pass for 8 yards a play and our QB takes no hits. Hmmm, tough choice. Not. Clock moves slower, we get more possessions, we score more points and we demoralize the Fish even more. This isn’t the old Bills where we were trying to keep other teams from having possessions. We want more possessions, not less.
The thread was “how do you stop this offense?”… I’m not suggesting we do any of this lol.
As I’ve said 2 Man is the best chance to shut down what we want to do, but makes you extremely susceptible to the run game. There’s no good option to “stop” this offense which is what the OP really wants to hear.
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4 hours ago, Captain_Quint said:
It'd be nice if we had a Rex Ryan type defense with a 100+ page playback again.
Then we'd be UNSTOPPABLE!
Is that the tone you got from my response? I love our defense. Keep it simple. The less thinking the faster we can play.
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9 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Not if you have Josh Allen on your team. Virtually any run is a wasted play 😂
The rules are different with him.
Having Josh Allen is even more reason to run - QB run game you got 6 blockers for their 5 defenders.
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
That doesn't force us to run the football, Allen will still pick you apart short.
If you don't run against 2 man then you're a terrible OC - you have a 5 man box!
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9 minutes ago, patzen said:
It's only a penalty if he's engaged as a blocker downfield. Since he wasn't blocking anyone he's allowed to go wherever he wants as long as he reported as an eligible receiver. We snuck him downfield to block in the second level after setting up the screen.
He 100% isn't an eligible receiver on that play - he was covered. Ball started on the 10 - he was close enough within that 1 yard downfield range they allow on screens when not engaged for it to not be a flag.
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5 hours ago, JerseyBills said:
Hypothetically, if you were a fan of another team, going against our boys, what in the world do you do on defense to stop the Bills?
I mean they were tough last year but wow , they are operating on a different level.
We can go 5 wide to a heavy set in a matter of a play and destroy you. With a running game that's effective as well.
Man/zone, a spy, it doesn't Matter..
A DCs worse nightmare.
Just curious about some opinions on What would we be saying in the lead up to a game against Allen and this O? Because I have none. I have no clue how you stop this O, or slow them down for lack of a better term.
Go Bills!
2 man - force us to run the football.
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1 minute ago, Big Turk said:
That's why I think it was a similar play to the one they ran to Davis....Shakir holds the block for a second to let Allen get depth, then releases, Byard comes at Allen and he flips it over his head to a wide open Shakir.
Nah, that play to Gabe was designed to either go to Gabe or have Allen keep it on the Naked Boot. This 4th and 1 was true Zone Read.
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Just now, Big Turk said:
Shakir missed the block...that's where we missed Davis. That's a block he makes.
100% he missed the block, but Byard is Allen's read. That read is telling him to give not keep.
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Josh trying to do too much on that 4th and 1 - Byard attacking the mesh point just give it and let Moss fall forward for a yard.
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Just now, MJS said:
Hmm. Well I am not an expert at this. In the video he explained that Seattle used a lot of 1 high safety looks and started dominating, and the rest of the NFL kind of followed. Now the NFL is going back to two high safeties.
Right, they were playing a ton of Cover 3 - still only rushing 4 though.
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3 minutes ago, MJS said:
Both those teams blitzed quite a bit though.
Denver did. Seattle did not. We run the same Tampa 2 defense that Seattle was running at that time.
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5 minutes ago, JayBaller10 said:
Then I have no idea why Taron didn’t immediately crash down. The bigger fault is rolling 5 DBs out there against that heavy package. Get some more beef on the DL, or more than two LBers on the field.
Trying to hold the disguise as long as possible. Epenesa did him no favors either allowing that B gap to widen. Margin for error is next to nothing down there.
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Just now, JayBaller10 said:
The only way it was possible for Taron to get there is if he had zero responsibility from the WR lined up across him and immediately blitzed from the slot. Even then I’m not 100% sold Taron Johnson stops Derrick Henry. (1:50 mark)
That's exactly right - he had no responsibility for that receiver. They were disguising their front - showing a 4-2 box when really they were playing 4-3 principles.
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Just now, MJS said:
Oh, it absolutely is by design. We will also blitz zero times when we face Patrick Mahomes, I'd be willing to wager. That's the game plan against good QB's who routinely destroy the blitz, and Stafford is in that category as an experienced, good QB.
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7 minutes ago, MJS said:
Yeah, I think he titled his video that just to illustrate the current trend in the NFL of going back to the two-high safeties and to blitz less. The Bills took that to an extreme in week 1 by blitzing zero times. Anyone know how much we blitzed week 2?
The blitz thing isn't by design. Every defensive coordinator wants to be able to just rush 4 an drop everyone else. The reason we didn't blitz was because we didn't have to. That's why you saw us blitzing more vs the Titans because we weren't hitting home just rushing 4.
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15 minutes ago, Rochesterfan said:
Not only that, but if you watch the DL - Groot goes upfield outside and the other DT and DE both were sliding to the right. I think it was a designed slide right - giving Edmunds the inside gap, but the DT got stoned by the guard and it opened a hole where the DT should of been.
You would love to see Edmunds then forgo his gap and fill the opening, but that is not Tremaine - he does his 1/11th and is right where he should be because McD teaches do your responsibilities and allow others to do their responsibility. If Edmunds hits outside and the DT fights through - suddenly you leave a gap in the middle.
Without benefit of knowing the call - I do not blame Edmunds and to go a step further - The DT got moved backwards into Edmunds and that limited his flow once he was sure his area was secure.
Duo is designed to hit strongside A gap. If Edmunds vacated his gap responsibility to fit backside B gap where it hit everyone would be pissed he vacated his gap. The stunt from Phillips and the initial fit from Edmunds is what forced the ball to cutback backside B. That play was on Taron, not Edmunds.
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Yeah, nothing ground breaking here. We are one of the more simplistic teams defensively. We just execute at a very high level.
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15 hours ago, GoBills808 said:
@HoofHeartedcan confirm but I'm pretty sure that's a result of base nickel. Edmunds and Milano both 2gap and the nickel plays the 9hole playside w/the weakside safety plays the other 9
Nah. Base 4-2-5 principles is a 1 gap scheme. Tennessee was running Duo against our 4-2 box. Looks like we were running man coverage to the two receiver side and Cloud coverage to the Tight End/Wing. Duo uses the same blocking rules as Zone - covered to uncovered to backside backer. Basically if you're covered block the guy covering you, if you are uncovered combo the guy to your play side, if the combo overtakes then the initial covered will work up to second level defender (backers). The only movement on the defensive line was from Phillips who slanted from a 3 to a 1 post snap which had both defensive tackles clog A Gaps. It looks like they are back fitting the backers in order to allow Poyer to be a coverage player and not have a run fit responsibility to the Tight End/Wing side while also allowing for Taron Johnson to be an unblocked B gap fitter he was just late to fold.
Here is the blocking scheme:
Here's how we fit it:
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12 hours ago, In Summary said:
Edmunds sack came unopposed with an open lane. I've never seen him do that fighting off a committed blocker. He's not a pass rusher. Lacks necessary hand fighting skills for one. Suppose it was a clever call to send him because it worked.
As to his hit I'm not impressed or apologetic. Seems the better players impact the play early on rather than finish it late in that manner. Just my take.
Having an understanding of how pass rush lanes work would help you understand what and why you are seeing what you're seeing. Go read up on box rules and being a low box vs. high box player.
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There were only 3 or 4 designed runs all game. I'm not sure what all the fuss is about.
Run conundrum
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Why do you think this is an issue?