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9 minutes ago, CookieG said:
I don't agree that it was a Catch22. First, Edmunds had inside leverage on the guard. Second, his head was above the guard's left shoulder. He had perfect line of sight on Fournette, probably the best line of sight of anyone on the D. There was no reason for him not to see Fournette's cut upfield.
When Fournette makes his cut, Edmunds does nothing to attempt to mirror him and in fact, keeps moving outside. By the time he makes any type of move back to the inside, Fournette has taken three strides up field and is long gone.
https://www.espn.com/video/clip?id=32854225&ex_cid=espnapi_internal
It can be argued, perhaps, that he couldn't have shed and came back to make a tackle in time...but the point is moot because he never even attempted to do so.
But I also realize that he was drafted for his size/speed/COD skills. It is in a situation like that where those skills come in handy.
Someone else said it best about Edmunds. By the time he diagnoses a play, the RB is already through the hole.
In below average QB's, some call it slow eyes. And that's what he has.
You can disagree all you want - what you are saying isn't within the scope of the defense (or any defense). Defensive players have run fits and they must all fit correctly to get stops. He fit correctly. It hit inside and the person who was supposed to fit inside of him missed the tackle. That's all there is to it.
Without a hat in every gap you get gashed.
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10 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
The Patriots were doing this thing on running plays where they strung out their runs sideways and waited until the defenders (linebackers in particular) hit their gaps and took on blockers, and then cut upfield and past the defense. Over and over again with little adjustment from Frazier and co.
Yeah they ran a lot of G Lead and Outside Zone against us from condensed sets forcing our corners to set an edge. For the most part we handled it well, the long run being the exception.
1 minute ago, RichRiderBills said:You don't allow the ballcarrier to run right by you for the sake of holding your gap. It's silly. The gap system is not as rigid as you portray.
It is my friend.
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2 minutes ago, Old Coot said:
Good question. I was referring to the sideline dumpoffs. It seems that our dumpoffs get less yardage than dumpoffs by other teams and I wondered if that had to do with Josh's ball placement.
Your analysis is excellent. You are the Romo of this board. I hope that you will continue to do analysis of crucial plays in games. The average fan -- & I include myself here -- just sees what happens on a play on the surface, not the intricacies of what the O & D were trying to do. As a result we often think that the play call was bad when in fact, as you have shown, the fault may lie in the execution.
On an unrelated note re that fade to Diggs at the end of regulation. Some have said it was a bone head call but maybe not. Diggs was singled up and the DB had inside leverage so it seems to me that the fade to Diggs was the correct call. Do you agree?
Good question. I was referring to the sideline dumpoffs. It seems that our dumpoffs get less yardage than dumpoffs by other teams and I wondered if that had to do with Josh's ball placement.
Your analysis is excellent. You are the Romo of this board. I hope that you will continue to do analysis of crucial plays in games. The average fan -- & I include myself here -- just sees what happens on a play on the surface, not the intricacies of what the O & D were trying to do. As a result we often think that the play call was bad when in fact, as you have shown, the fault may lie in the execution.
On an unrelated note re that fade to Diggs at the end of regulation. Some have said it was a bone head call but maybe not. Diggs was singled up and the DB had inside leverage so it seems to me that the fade to Diggs was the correct call. Do you agree?
Good question. I was referring to the sideline dumpoffs. It seems that our dumpoffs get less yardage than dumpoffs by other teams and I wondered if that had to do with Josh's ball placement.
Your analysis is excellent. You are the Romo of this board. I hope that you will continue to do analysis of crucial plays in games. The average fan -- & I include myself here -- just sees what happens on a play on the surface, not the intricacies of what the O & D were trying to do. As a result we often think that the play call was bad when in fact, as you have shown, the fault may lie in the execution.
On an unrelated note re that fade to Diggs at the end of regulation. Some have said it was a bone head call but maybe not. Diggs was singled up and the DB had inside leverage so it seems to me that the fade to Diggs was the correct call. Do you agree?
Good question. I was referring to the sideline dumpoffs. It seems that our dumpoffs get less yardage than dumpoffs by other teams and I wondered if that had to do with Josh's ball placement.
Your analysis is excellent. You are the Romo of this board. I hope that you will continue to do analysis of crucial plays in games. The average fan -- & I include myself here -- just sees what happens on a play on the surface, not the intricacies of what the O & D were trying to do. As a result we often think that the play call was bad when in fact, as you have shown, the fault may lie in the execution.
On an unrelated note re that fade to Diggs at the end of regulation. Some have said it was a bone head call but maybe not. Diggs was singled up and the DB had inside leverage so it seems to me that the fade to Diggs was the correct call. Do you agree?
Good question. I was referring to the sideline dumpoffs. It seems that our dumpoffs get less yardage than dumpoffs by other teams and I wondered if that had to do with Josh's ball placement.
Your analysis is excellent. You are the Romo of this board. I hope that you will continue to do analysis of crucial plays in games. The average fan -- & I include myself here -- just sees what happens on a play on the surface, not the intricacies of what the O & D were trying to do. As a result we often think that the play call was bad when in fact, as you have shown, the fault may lie in the execution.
On an unrelated note re that fade to Diggs at the end of regulation. Some have said it was a bone head call but maybe not. Diggs was singled up and the DB had inside leverage so it seems to me that the fade to Diggs was the correct call. Do you agree?
On those sideline throws you’re taught as a QB to throw to the inside hip of the receiver which forces them to turn back to the ball slowing down their momentum so they don’t run out of bounds and allowing them to get some yac. This is just a general rule obviously - certain coverages and field position will change where you want to place the ball.
As far as the play to Diggs I think they had the right mindset. Throw to your best receiver who’s singled up. Only so many routes you can run that close to the endzone - fade, slant, whip, or cross. If they thought the fade gave them the best chance then I’d tend to agree with them. They’re around those guys way more than we are.
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Just now, bigduke6 said:
good breakdown i guess, doesnt explain why Edmunds cant ever get off a block.
Well that’s easy - because he’s 6’5” and takes on blockers standing straight up. Loses the leverage battle and isn’t very active with his hands to either shock and shed or hand fight so they can’t get their hands on him in the first place.
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4 minutes ago, RichRiderBills said:
The purpose of gap coverage is not to fill a gap by hopelessly engaging with an OL while the ball crosses your path and you don't disengage.
The film does not lie: Edmunds is tunnel vision focused on meeting an OL in a hole, at the cost of letting the ball carrier cross in front of him. He is also unable to disengage to attempt a tackle. This isn't some inflexible system, it's a screw up.
I will tip my hat that other players like Poyer, who gets buried. And Hyde could have stopped the TD, but Edmunds is mainly at fault.
Incorrect, sir. Read this. It talks about if he fit tighter as you suggested. Gap integrity is the fundamental building block that run defense is built around. Every man has a responsibility and when they don’t do it the whole thing collapses. The ball hit in Taron Johnson’s gap - he missed the tackle - they scored.
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6 minutes ago, Robert Paulson said:
whatever the writeup/responsibilities were- all Truman had to do was keep filling the hole he had filled and engage the running back. instead he ran past the hole to engage the blocker. it is inexcusable as the first responsibility is to get the guy with the ball down on the ground.
Read this.
3 minutes ago, bouds said:So Edmunds is RAT, he has to disrupt and carry the crosser, but should he ultimately pass it off to Jackson or carry it across the entire way.
If the crosser came in front of him he’d have it man to man. Since it went behind Johnson should have carried it all the way.
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5 minutes ago, bouds said:
Thanks for breaking this down, question for you, what do you think of Dan's take. Watching it live I felt like maybe we had to switch the crossers off? And Dan alludes to that but then doesn't mention that Jackson never switched off.
Yeah, he's essentially saying the same thing I am. Typically in 1 RAT Coverage you're going to pass off the shallow crossers to whoever the RAT is. The shallow cross must be working IN FRONT of the RAT for this to be done though so that he can step up and impede the path of the receiver to slow him down in order to allow him to continue carrying. If it's behind the RAT then the DB should carry that across the field.
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3 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
Do you think the advantages in the pass defense outweigh the liabilities in the run game? Especially considering that we struggle to consistently dictate on offense so we cannot necessarily rely on playing with a lead.
Personally, yeah. It's a pass driven league and it's moving even more and more in that direction every year. There's obviously got to be a balance, right? You saw us start to gash the Bucs in the second half with our run game and it was all because they were penetrating up front which created lanes and angles for us to run through. I think this defensive scheme does a really good job overall of being gap sound regardless of what we're doing which both helps and hinders us at times. You'll never see us run these exotic blitzes that other teams run because they technically aren't gap sound and would get completely gashed if a team tried to run on us while running one, but at the same time those exotic blitzes are often better at overloading a side and getting a guy free or at the very least forcing 1v1 matchups up front. We are very vanilla in what we do up front which makes it easier for teams to pick up in pass pro, but what we do also creates 1v1's for most of our guys (who should be far more athletic than the guys they line up across from).
Ultimately very few teams are going to be patient enough to run for 4 yards a pop all the way down the field.
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7 minutes ago, Dopey said:
14 hours in and barely into page 2 ?!?!? I guess the bashers moved on to a thread that fits their narrative. I'm amazed at how little interaction there is on this post. Great job, HoofHearted. I am wondering if you have an opinion on the long TD run vs. N. E. ? it looked to me that Edmunds made the edge hard for the RB to get anything out of it, so he cut back. I want to ask if you noticed how far off Milano was on that play. At the snap, Milano was to Edmunds' left, but somehow when the cutback happens, Milano is now behind Edmunds and to his right(way out of the play). Obviously the safety was the main culprit with how he over ran the play, but would you say Edmunds was at fault or was Milano way out of position to stop the cutback? I feel it was on Milano and Hyde. I would love a reply from someone who seems level headed, If you disagree, cool. I would rather hear it from you. Thanks in advance, if you decide to answer.
I had a breakdown of this play here. A few posts below that is the X's and O's drawn up. Basically it came down to a total collapse of the entire defense. Everyone was wrong.
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15 minutes ago, Hapless Bills Fan said:
This is great stuff. My old-ass Eyes wish you would chart your Xs and Os a bit bigger, but fantastic that you took the time to do it.
Wish you'd post more.
As far as the "step back" on tackling:
Last year, when we would have a bad defensive game, McDermott would harp on fundamentals. I suspect that the difference between a clean tackle and a whiff is often literally inches or milliseconds. I speculate that with so many returning players, either the coaches haven't drilled on fundamentals as hard (these guys know what they're doing, right?) or the players have not been as driven (We're good, right?) or both. There's also a matter of have you watched enough film that your recognition is instantaneous, or do you have to think for a millisecond.
It's pretty inexcusable to let Tampa march down the field and score on 4 successive drives in the first half, 3 of them TDs.
McDermott said in a presser "you have to have a burning desire to be the Best, Every week"
That has to be somewhat on coaching, but there's also a "cup and the platter clean only on the outside" aspect to it - if the coaches preach the same message, but the players are going "yeah, yeah", it's a player problem too - the coaches think they have players who have a "burning desire to be the best every week" but that fire has been banked and allowed to be embers.
It's probably a little of both. We have largely the same defensive group as last year so the emphasis on the basics, blocking and tackling, i'm sure aren't being reinforced the way they were year one when this staff got here. At the same time I'm sure the players have become more complacent with the basics as well partly due to the success we've had and how that affects one's ego. When you do the same thing over and over and over it's easy to get complacent, but the best teams are the ones who have longevity in their focus and drive and never get bored working on the boring things.
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26 minutes ago, thenorthremembers said:
It was Dane. However, it was a rub play. When he chased Perriman across the middle he got blocked out of coverage.
It was Johnson. Play is broken down here.
24 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:What I dont understand even more, is where was the safety help. How did an entire right side of the field have no defensive backs what so ever and just a MLB who isnt fast enough to keep up with a speed WR? How is there no safety help even in the middle of the field where they could have at least cut off the route to prevent the TD?
Either an absolute terrible play call/design, or some of our guys completely screwed the pooch on that play. Because even if Dane was on Perriman, he isnt fast enough to keep up with him and I don't think the play results in anything different given Perriman has a free run to the end zone on the initial separation anyway.
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26 minutes ago, dave mcbride said:
Agreed. My one question is who had responsibility for Perriman. It appears it wasn't Edmunds, who was apparently supposed to hand him off to a DB. That makes sense because you don't cover a WR with a LB.
I broke the play down here.
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6 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
Thanks. That's great! So Edmunds WAS supposed to be shallow there, and that also explains why he seemed to be so surprised seeing Perriman slashing free across the middle like that. In that case, Edmunds did about everything he could do. Good for him. Good recognition.
I also read your comment about his tackle/miss in the hole. He stops all the time. He doesn't hit; he's a read and react guy, and I don't think he ever will change.
You are right. When he has to make profile tackles he continually stops his feet and lunges. That's just who he is and it'll never change.
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1 hour ago, Shaw66 said:
Thanks you and BTB. I didn't watch many replays, and I didn't understand that. So, maybe Jackson DID cost the Bills the game. White might have been there.
Oh, well.
It's just hard seeing the Bills get close but lose important games this year. Tennessee, New England, Tampa Bay. Win 2 out of 3, and the Bills are 9-4. Tough.
It was Johnson. I've got a breakdown of the play here if interested.
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11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
Is there a breakdown for when Edmunds couldn't stop Fournette on a 3rd and 1 in the backfield, then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?
3rd and 1 - Edmunds fit great and whiffed the tackle because he stopped his feet on contact. No reason to draw that one up.
Game Winning TD - Bills were playing 1 Rat coverage - a variation of Cover 1 (Man Free) and rushing 5. They stunt up front on the defensive left side pinching the 3 tech and 5 tech inside and blitzing Milano off the edge. The 3 tech and 9 tech to the defensive right rushed their lanes respectively. Everyone else is responsible for coverage. It's man so everyone except Poyer (F) has a man responsibility. Wallace (defensive right) has the furthest receiver outside, Johnson ($) has the #2 receiver to that side, Hyde (S) has the Tight End, Edmunds responsible for the back if he releases and is free otherwise, and Jackson (defensive left) has the furthest receiver outside to his side of the field. When they short motioned the outside receiver to the strong side of the field (defensive right) and he worked into a stack alignment with the receiver on the LoS Wallace and Johnson should have checked to a combo coverage here. Combo means Johnson is responsible for the first in-cutting route and Wallace is responsible for the first out-cutting route. There was zero communication and both Wallace and Johnson took #14 on the out-cutting route and no one was on the in-cutting route which was eventually thrown. Based on how i've seen the Bills play their 1 high coverage in the past Johnson should have carried the crosser since it went overtop of Edmunds (Typically in 1 Rat if a cross goes in front of the RAT player then they pick up the cross and whoever was on the receiver running the cross now becomes the RAT). Can't see Poyer in the highlight clip, but I'd assume he was "collected" by the vertical that Gronk ran and it took him out of the play entirely.
Again, it comes down to players all not being on the same page which caused a failure in execution.
19 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:Taron Johnson got a nice pay raise for being an undersized slot corner and has responded by missing tackles at an alarmingly high clip. Has been an issue all year. By contrast there were street FAs in the Bucs secondary yesterday making form tackles all over the field.
Agreed. Our tackling as a defense has taken a huge step back this year. That's one thing (as a coach) I used to be able to point to that the Bills did a really good job of. This year it's like they threw everything they'd done in the past in regards to tackling fundamentals out the window. It needs to be fixed.
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10 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
Ok cool… this has now made the rounds of Twitter. Tough play, yes but again it’s why I don’t think as good as some hype him up to be
Nothing tough about it - Edmunds fit it perfectly and whiffed on the tackle because he stopped his feet on contact. It's inexcusable.
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19 minutes ago, Ridgewaycynic2013 said:
OK, can you do anything to improve this?:
How'd I do?
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2 minutes ago, JohnNord said:
Maybe that play wasn’t his fault but the lengths people will go to try to show that Edmunds is slightly above average is insane.
He is what he is. An average MLB who is a part of a defense that is consistently outmuscled. What’s there to argue?
Don't take this as anything more than it is. In no way am I trying to make Edmunds out to be anything more than what he is - a mediocre inside backer. There's no agenda with this post. I just saw a lot of people were misinformed and thought I'd address it.
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44 minutes ago, TheProcess said:
I have no doubt you’re accurate in your play design, but you know what’s better than funneling your guy back inside? Using your instinct and just making the tackle. Edmunds passed up just making the tackle on Fournette to engage the blocker because that’s what the play told him to do. He went right by him to force the play inside when he could have just shown a little instinct and stopped it right there. Players rely on their instinct and deviate from script all the time to make a play. Rarely, if ever, seems to happen with Tremaine who tends to be out of position on many big plays.
It’s a catch 22. If Edmunds were to have fit tighter in the gap Fournette ultimately hits then the Guard who is wrapping on the Buck Sweep will just hinge back inside on Edmunds and Fournette hits in between the two pulling guards (in the gap Edmunds filled) for likely the same outcome. Everything with stopping the run has to work in unison - when guys don’t do their job and instead do their own thing is when you have breakdowns.
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8 hours ago, BMWR100RT said:
Are you defending Edmunds game today? Ugh.
No. Just this play as I saw a lot of posters bashing him for this one.
8 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:Is there a breakdown for when Edmunds couldn't stop Fournette on a 3rd and 1 in the backfield, then got burned by Tom Brady's eyes that led to the game winning TD?
If I can find a video of both plays where I can see what everyone on both sides of the ball are doing I’ll gladly do breakdowns.
8 hours ago, Old Coot said:Excellent post. You obviously know your X's & O's.
I have a question for you about Josh's ball placement on his dump off passes to RBs.
First the content: Josh throws behind the RB forcing him to turn his back to the D to receive the ball. This allows the D to rally to the RB and the result is that the play gains minimal yardage. When I see similar plays executed by other teams the gain often is 5-7 yards.
Here's the question: are QBs coached to lace the throw behind the RB or is that just Josh?
Are you talking throws to the sideline or middle of the field?
7 hours ago, HurlyBurly51 said:You've only got 37 posts - Post more! Good stuff.
Gotta start somewhere 🤷♂️
6 hours ago, bouds said:Great breakdown brother. Question, what does playing a 50 mean?
Romo even said it on the broadcast, he was talking about our safeties rotating late and keeping QBs off balance, except when you rotate yourself out of position and get slapped. Seems like thats what happened here, because we kept the rest of the run game bottled up.
Appreciate the analysis.
A 50 is the linebackers alignment. Second level defenders follow the same rules as the defensive line as far as what their different alignments are called. They just add a 0 to the end of theirs. So a 3 tech defensive tackle plays outside shade of a guard - a LB in a 30 is playing outside shade of a guard but off ball. So to answer your question a 50 is outside shade of the offensive tackle.
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1 minute ago, Do The Reich Thing said:
Players did execute.
***** excuses. Win the damn thing. Don't rely on the refs.
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Game on the line - Diggs vs Carlton Davis 1 on 1 with no help to win the game - I like our chances. He didn't misread the situation we just didn't execute. Players have to make plays.
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2 minutes ago, ALLEN1QB said:
You should be our defensive coordinator. He probably doesn't understand that.
I assure you he does. If Poyer doesn't get caught rolling at the snap and plays run first (C gap responsibility) like he's intended to then we're good, but Poyer continues to roll pulling him further away from his gap assignment. It's just a good call against what we had called. Taron needs to make the tackle, plain and simple.
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1 minute ago, Billsfan1972 said:
Another long TD run vs. the Bills defense...... This is an issue.
100% it's an issue - but it's not an Edmunds specific issue as people like to make it out to be.
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