HoofHearted
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1 minute ago, ßookie_tech said:
Yeah I saw that post. He lost his first move? But what was his first move? It should have been a bull rush and plow right through Bolden to the QB. But he didn't really do anything. There was a big play there to be made and he didn't deliver imo.
He did try to bull rush - lost the leverage battle - that's gonna happen quite a bit when you're 6'5" unfortunately. That's why they hardly blitz him - he's not good at it. Dude frequently loses the leverage battle and gets stood up. Hope reading that post clears up the back half of that play from him though.
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26 minutes ago, ßookie_tech said:
On the third play from scrimmage last Sunday vs. New England (3rd and 10), TE fires through the A gap untouched. Brandon Bolden steps up in the pocket to pick him up. Edmunds has a full head of steam. Bolden is 5-11 220, about 6 inches shorter and 30 pounds lighter than TE. I thought Edmunds was going to steamroll him and either sack Jones or totally disrupt the play. Instead, he kind of lets up, gets stonewalled and even gets pushed back a few yards. That was a great spot for him to make a splash play and set the tone. But he came up so flat on that play. I'm not saying he had a bad game, I think he had a nice game. But I don't see him bull rushing or running around any NFL offensive tackles.
If you're referring to the play where Oliver got the sack please read here for more understanding of what actually happens when you blitz/rush an interior gap.
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6 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:
I wish they used him to blitz more. I think he’s fine where he is, it is just difficult to quantify his value. I think he does what the team asks him to do. I think he’d make a million plays in a Baltimore type attacking 3-4.
That said, that tipped pass play that AJ Klein made was all instinct and I am not sure Tremaine will ever make that type of play. I hope he does.
Can you explain why you think it was “all instinct”? Genuinely interested in your response.
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Coach McDermott is building it the right way. A team composed of unselfish disciplined players.
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Pro Bowl is almost solely based on popular opinion. We’re not a big market team. Don’t expect out guys to make it. I would be extremely surprised if our guys don’t make 1st or 2nd team All-Pro as these are voted on by their peers and coaches though.
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29 minutes ago, Mynamemike said:
Great write up Virgil. Edmunds drives me crazy man, the dude consistently over purses and he can’t shed a block to save his life. Flys around in that 5-15 yard range and does a good job in pass defense but he has been a liability in the run game from day one. It seems like every single big run he’s out of position or getting blown up.
Overall though, this was a wonderful cap to great Christmas weekend. Happy holidays all! Go Bills!
Leverage is his cryptonite for sure. At 6’5” it’s hard for him to win leverage battles against OL without great technique. He has to understand pad level going forward in order to win these matchups.
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11 minutes ago, fergie's ire said:
I had been thinking the same thing. I am not one of those Edmunds haters and think he does bring something to our pass defense...and those that praise him must see something I don't. But I remember some middle linebacker talking about being like the running back but from the defense...that his job was to find the hole and run to it and meet the running back there. Edmunds seems to run right by the hole into a blockers arms....It's weird.
It’s just the scheme. In a base 4-2-5 defense he is a leverage player meaning he is going to take on a whatever blocker with outside leverage. If that player is a puller from the opposite side and Edmunds does his job then it will force a cutback. Our nickels need to be trained like outside backers (not saying they aren’t), because against heavy personnel(21, 22, 20 personnel) we will line up in a 4-3 “look” and they’ll be responsible for the cutback.
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1 hour ago, Virgil said:
2 - Blocking - I wanted to talk about Knox here, but Spencer Williams and Dawkins also played great games for me. There were multiple runs to the outside where our guys released their blocks at the perfect time as to not draw the holding penalty. This is something we haven't seen often and I really believe it made a difference. Knox was left on an island on quite a few plays and held his own, minus one holding penalty. Judon could only get a hit in by being an ####### with his tripping, because he was a non-factor in the game itself. Whatever scheme adjustments Daboll made, Josh had all day to throw with a back-up line and it seems they are figuring it out at the right time.
Protection and Run Blocking was the best we’ve seen all season long - against the top defense in the league. Very encouraging going into the final weeks of the regular season!
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55 minutes ago, Virgil said:
6 - Daboll - Welcome to the party! The pre-snap motions, Allen runs, McKenzie sweeps, delayed-release blocks were all on display in this game and it led to the first ever zero punt game against the Hoodie in Foxboro.
Don’t get too used to these - they played right into the man coverage looks they expected from the Patriots. You’ll see much different looks vs. this Tampa 2 defense we’ll see this week.
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47 minutes ago, Virgil said:
5 - Run Defense - In hindsight, I should have noticed this sooner, but the biggest Achilles heal for our run defense are counters and cut backs It seemed like every big run came from some form misdirection where our guys over-pursued and then couldn't cut back without running into a blocked. Worse than that, Edmunds continues to find ways to get blocked. If I didn't know any better, I would think he was instructed to run into the first blocker he sees in order to free up a defender behind him. I'm not only picking on Edmunds and Hyde and Poyer are also terrible at over-running plays. I will say though, for a big guy, Harrison is moving fast and catching people on the edge. I think he may have finally figured it out.
You’re not far off my friend. Any scheme that has any pull to the strong side will have Edmunds as a leverage player - meaning he will fit outside any puller to him and force the ball back inside. If you see this he’s doing his job and it’s okay!
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3 hours ago, maddenboy said:
Good eye.
So, what's the counter that we should be expecting as defenses watch film? Double-team rushes on Knox's side, then one of the rushers peels back to defend him? Or just putting him on the ground on the way to the qb?
(there was a play like this last nite Saints v Fish. Kamara looked like he did this but he stumbled coming off his possibly fake block, and when the ball arrived he was off balance and could not adjust).
A lot of the delayed release stuff we’ve been taking advantage of because we knew we were going to be getting man looks from New England. Don’t expect to see a lot of it against heavy zone teams.
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I’m with you. They’ve been utilizing the RPO a lot more down in the RedZone lately as well. There’s been a noticeable attempt to marry their run and pass game more off of each other as well. You saw that a lot this last game with all of the play action off the outside zone blocking up front (the rollouts with Knox blocking for him). Been seeing this for a couple weeks now. The cool thing is the concepts, for the most part, have stayed the same - the window dressing has just changed.
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27 minutes ago, CNYfan said:
If this is true, which I will assume it is, what is Dawkins responsibility on seeing the same set?
He’s blocking the called run concept. That’s why you see him block out on the end. Josh has to know he can get the edge on that guy.
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5 hours ago, Protocal69 said:
I was looking at this video and one of the guys brought up a good point that he thought the play call was to hand it off the running back but Josh decided to keep it himself that was why Dawkins basically let his man get to the outside and Diggs didnt even try to block the WR and that gt me to thinking he might be right
https://youtu.be/-GGrVads1-k?t=1452
So went looking for the play and Dan Orlowsky broke down the play to show it seems like that is exactly what he did.
https://youtu.be/8oTmykbPR1g?t=353
That took a lot of balls to make that call on your own without your own team knowing what you was about to do. I know he did that before a couple of times this year and that was a huge moment in the game. That is being self confident at its finest.
Definitely didn't go rogue. As others have said it's built in to the rules/design of the play. Count the numbers in the box - if the box is loaded and you can get the edge you keep it on the boot. You'd be surprised how many play calls are determined by box counts.
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8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Oh we got a weak one here.......
Stick around. Maybe you’ll learn you something 😉.
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1 hour ago, BADOLBILZ said:
This concept is very hard for a lot of the Edmunds apologists to reconcile.
They are so caught up trying to be the polar opposite of the "Edmunds sucks" contingent that they don't realize that the answer is in the middle.
He's the most physically talented MLB in the NFL. The size and athleticism combo is pretty unique.
So being a top 10-12 MLB/ILB.........a devalued position.........is still a considerable underachievement.
No Edmunds apologist here. He’s an above average player. Not a game changer. Not a weak link. This “instinct” argument though is overplayed… you can’t ad-lib a run fit. Those who understand football know this.
2 hours ago, HappyDays said:A lot of great defensive players will abandon their responsibility when a play is there to be made. But that requires great instincts which Edmunds obviously does not have. I would refer to Tre White as an example of what I mean. A lot of his interceptions happen when he abandons his man or zone because he anticipates where the QB is about to throw the ball. Even Levi Wallace had a pick like that against the Dolphins.
That's what an elite game changing defensive player brings to the table. The athletic and technical ability to follow the rules of the defense, but also the intelligence to break them when doing so creates the better play. The best of them will even bait the offensive player into making a move that they are ready to stop. That's the difference between playing checkers and playing chess.
So sure, Edmunds had a fine play and filled his responsibility. A better player would have anticipated the cut back and been ready to stop it. Edmunds is what he is at this point. An elite athlete with a below average feel for the game. I think that's all he will ever be.
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10 minutes ago, MasterStrategist said:
He sees a pulling guard, his "key / gap assignment", is to scrape not sit and wait for a cutback.
On his "hokey pokey" as you call it (or angle route), that's the most difficult route for a MLB to cover 1-1. He also covered it great 3x during the game.
How about the NE 4th and 1, where they ran a stretch to the weak side and Edmunds made an unbelievable play to scrape and tackle him for a gain of 3 (otherwise that might have been a huge play)?
How about his "insticts" on the many times NE tried to hit Hunter Henry on deeper drags but Edmunds was there to pick it up?
Both Sean and Frazier have said high remarks about Tremaine, and we as fans don't know the exact assignment on each play. I'll go with their judgment and what my eyes tell me, which is he's a above average MLB (not a superstar) but very good and gives them a lot of options in pass coverage/disguises/blitzes because of his skills.
That 4th and 1 play was unbelievable by Edmunds. Our end (Rousseau I think?) got reached but Tremaine covered for him. Gave up the 1st but we were in 0 right there. It’d likely have been a touchdown.
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4 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
I'm not buying that at all. 1. The defense communicates "run" and sometimes even who has the ball while the play is going on and 2. Harris is in Dane's field of vision as the play unfolds. They have to be communicating effectively and Dane has to be more aware so that he's not so easily taken out of the play. If he has tunnel vision on his man, then he has "bad eyes." The play is in front of him like it is for the safety.
A receiver running a vertical that turns a DB's eyes away from the play is totally different.
You can disagree all you’d like - buts that’s how it’s taught. That’s his assignment - he HAS to be in chase until his guy engages with a defender to block. That’s how man coverage works.
1 minute ago, Freddie's Dead said:You lost me at 3, 5, 9 technique. Nice try, but I'm at ABC level in my analysis. My Edmunds and Ford reports are See Spot Run, while your breakdown is Ulysses.
We’ll learn ya something big fella! Gets a whole lot more interesting when you do!
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2 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
What he didn't do is recognize the potential cut back coming.........and that's a feel/instinct thing.
Edmunds doesn't make plays because he lacks to ability to process and anticipate.........he's the embodiment of checker player at MLB.
That hokey-pokey he played with the Pats RB in pass pro where the scrub just ran a circle around him allowing feeble Mac to hit him for a first down was another Edmunds gem.
If he had the instincts of AJ Klein he'd be an NFLDPOY candidate.
If he plays the cutback then there is no cutback, and the play runs as it was designed to. Everyone has a role in run defense. You have a gap assignment on every single call, and if you don't fit your gap or have two guys in one gap you get gashed. Expecting a player to be responsible for two gaps is asinine.
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2 minutes ago, LeGOATski said:
I would say Dane had bad eyes here too. Even though he's following his man, he has to recognize the run and locate the ball. Harris is already coming through the hole as Dane comes across the formation and he is extremely late to react.
Can't play man without having man eyes - his eyes are on his guy and nowhere else as they should be. With all the RPO game now if he peaks in the backfield he's beat in man coverage. They essentially "ran him off" like when a receiver will just run a vertical to take the DB out of the play. He did what he was suppose to do - the front 7 just has to do their job.
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6 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:
TLDR. Paragraphs help. Please explain your jargon so a person who doesn't know WTF "1 Rat Coverage (Man Free)" is might understand WTF you're talking about. Also, 49 overran the play
Appreciate the advice. The wall of text is absolutely overwhelming. I explain 1 Rat Coverage in a little more detail here (sorry for the wall of text again).
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30 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:
Hahaha I’m hoping if it’s said over and over that McDermott will see 😂
Just one of the many
Check this out then.
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Patriots are running Counter Trey here - pulling the backside Guard to kick and H-Back to wrap up to the inside backer. Every other offensive lineman (other than the backside Tackle) are blocking down on the first DL to their right. The backside Tackle is scooping to the 3 tech to that they can read the backside end (Rousseau). Bills get caught in their 1 Rat Coverage (Man Free).
The root of the issue here is how they plan on treating an H-Back across the formation post-snap. There doesn't appear to be any trade rules in place based on how Taron Johnson is playing the H across as he's looking to following him across the field which ultimately leaves the Bills a guy short in the box. Hughes does a good job of getting to heel line, squeezing, and then leveraging the kick. Milano does not do a very good job of getting downhill to fit tight off the tackle and meet the H-back at the heel line which allows Harris room and time to find the cutback. Tremaine does a good job scraping with the pulling guard, but needs to take a slightly more downhill path to meet the tackle, who ends up working up to the second level, closer to the LoS. He HAS to fit outside of the Tackle that works up to him. Harrison Phillips gets completely stood up and then washed out of the play which is what ultimately opens up the cutback lane that Taron Johnson should fill.
Dane Jackson gets caught in no mans land as well (and it looks really bad on film), but he's playing man coverage on the outside receiver. Since that receiver is responsible for blocking Taron and he runs across the formation the receiver follows him all the way across which makes Dane have to follow him assuming he's running some type of shallow cross. Our ultimate cut-back defender (Poyer) isn't visible on the broadcast angle so I can't tell what hung him up, but I would guess he got caught with bad eyes.
Really good scheme for what we had dialed up defensively on this play. If we'd been sitting in our "soft zone" 🤣 3 high coverages like we usually do on 1st Down this would have been a 3 yard gain as Taron would have been sitting right there for the cutback.
Counter Trey
What the run fits should have looked like.
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4 minutes ago, Bangarang said:
My narrative is that he hasn’t been used at the same rate as last year and our offense is missing that creative element and speed. You seem to be arguing points I haven’t made.Incorrect. I’ve been arguing that he’s been used as much as he has last year (as per his snap count numbers). And that he’s been used in the same way he was used last year as far as package and play designs. Which is exactly the counter to the point you’ve been making. I dont
know what else to say at this point. This has gotten awkward.
Move Tremaine Edmunds to DE next season.
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The play everyone is talking about was a designed blitz. However, you're not wrong. When we get into our man coverage stuff and he's responsible for the back out - if the back stays in to block then he's an add on to the rush by design, but has to rush through the outside shoulder of the back and push him back into the QB as he's still responsible for that back in man coverage. So all the chip and release stuff or screen game he'd look like a delayed blitzer but is ultimately responsible for going where the back goes.