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18 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
Phillips has always hated taking on blocks and he plays high so he has terrible leverage and is easily steered out of the way. He's all about shooting gaps and chasing and he's excellent when he can just do that. I thought Jones really got pushed around last night too, surprisingly. Run defense is all about want-to and technique and though they were determined to stay in nickel it's fair to say there were still a lot of business decisions going on out there. Milano might have been the only obvious exception. They were clearly expecting a night off in run defense.
Milano made a bunch of business decisions as well taking on those pullers when they ran Counter.
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Just now, BillsFan130 said:
I am not even talking about just the run game.
I am talking about the pass game as well.
When was the last time he had an interception?
Serious question. I think he got one last September against the Texans? That’s the last I remember .
Forced fumble? Recovered fumble ?
If that's the measurement for success then I guess Tre White isn't a very good player either since he only had 1 INT last year. Try to look past the stats and see the actual impact he has on how a game is being played/called by our opponents.
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2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
Don’t you want to see more plays from him though?
Sure we can break down the Xs and Os and his responsibilities and all of that .
But was there one play that was like , “wow nice play by Edmunds “.?
I get he does a lot of underrated things.
But I think his success as a run defender heavily depends on the guys up front, (like most LBs of course) and he just doesn’t seem to make many things happen on his own.
Nobody does when it comes to run defense - that's the thing most fans don't understand. Every player is responsible for a specific gap pre-snap. Based on what their post-snap read is that gap can change, but without 11 guys doing what they're suppose to be doing big plays don't happen. I think that's what gets lost here. Everyone thinks its "see ball get ball" when that couldn't be further from the truth. Also keep in mind we hardly ever blitz him whereas you see more negative plays from backers on teams like the ravens or steelers because they send those guys more frequently.
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11 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
I’ve asked twice , I’ll ask again haha.
Quantifiably, how do you think Edmunds played on Sunday night?
In run defense just okay. None of the big runs were his fault. Did see him getting off blocks that two years ago he would have just been swallowed up by, but at other times he got squared up and stalemated. In coverage he looked his normal self - his presence forces the ball to the sidelines a lot.
EDIT: His tackling wasn't very good this game overall. Pad level way too high.
9 minutes ago, SCBills said:
I definitely agree that his value is in pass defense, elite potential there, but I just don’t think the drop off from Edmunds to Milano-clone Bernard or a draft pick is a game changer. The DL is the engine, and we have a loaded CB room, with one of the best LB’s in the NFL locked down.
Mid-high teens per year may be what we’re willing to do, but I’d rather have two undersized speed/quickness LB’s behind a heavily invested in DL, than a freak in Edmunds occupying that much cap space.
Bernard won't hold up inside. Milano is really bad when he's forced to spill blocks. It's just not their game.
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Just now, SCBills said:
I feel like everything you just said reminds us why you can’t be paying two LB’s big time money when DL and Secondary are so much more important.
Edmunds looks great when the DL is dominant.
Edmunds has his worst game of the year when the DL struggles in run defense.
Ok… Well, that is precisely why letting him walk after the season isn’t a massive blow to the defense.
Every LB looks great vs the run with a dominant DL. That's why teams invest so much money in them. Finding a LB who can fit the run as well as Edmunds isn't the issue, it's finding a guy who can do what Edmunds does in coverage that will be hard to replace. I'm with you though, I dunno how they'll be able to afford to keep him.
2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:Do you think some of that was because the Bills were expecting pass most of the 2nd half?
Outside of Von - none of our guys are good enough right now to go into a play with a pass rush mindset regardless of what their read tells them to do. It shouldn't be allowed. Read your key and react accordingly.
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2 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
Ok and he’s not allowed to shed a block and make a tackle?
Again, what is your opinion on how he played out of curiosity?
Packers game planned around him and the interior defensive line. When they ran counter they free released their offensive tackle directly to Edmunds. Without our defensive ends getting hands on those tackles and not allowing them to immediately work second level Edmunds had no shot. Which forced him to fit underneath that block and Taron to wrap over top. Milano and Taron both looked slow all night in their fits vs gap scheme concepts. The outside zone game they were free releasing their center up to Edmunds and they just reached our big interior DL with ease. Forced our corners to make tackles on those big backs.
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2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
How much would the Bills D suffer if Edmunds isn't here next year? Do you feel he is replaceable relatively easily or a major loss?
It would certainly be a loss. He's without a doubt a top 10 player at his position in the league. Our DL looked like DL's of past years against the Packers - defensive ends not getting hands on tackles and defensive tackles not getting hands on guards and centers. There were free releases from OL up to the second level all night long when they were running GH Counter and Outside Zone. The defensive line play wasn't good and Taron got fooled a couple of times with eye candy on misdirection out of the backfield.
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1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:
When he is blocked and he goes inside and the RB goes outside for an example..
My biggest issue was him not being able to shed off any blocks and make any impact plays
As an inside backer in a 4-3 box (which is what we were in most of the night) you are a spill player. Essentially you're job is to fit the open gap as tight as you can to force the ball to "spill" outside to our unblocked defenders.
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1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:
It wasn’t a blanket statement.
It was my opinion on what I saw.
I don’t have the Xs and Os and I can very well be wrong.
But to “Me”, he just looked lost out there on Sunday night and seemingly seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times.
I guess I just don't understand how you can say he "seemed to be in the wrong spot a lot of the times" when you don't know where he was suppose to be.
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1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:
I never once said “this is what happened”.
I said “I saw a guy” and listed the things I thought he didn’t do well.
Its called an opinion.
It’s a message board. Believe it or not , this is usually the place that people share their opinion on the bills and football and not everything is “black and white”
Which is why it’s fun to agree/disagree with different “opinions”..
"I saw a guy picking the wrong gaps all game" sounds more like a statement of fact than opinion to me. Anyway, didn't mean to pick at you specifically. This just seems to be a common theme around here. People making blanket statements without the ability to back them up and then they deflect once they are questioned about those statements.
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6 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
Nope I can’t, neither can any fan as we don’t have the play calls/responsibilities for each player on each play …lol
So does mean none of us should have an opinion on players? Based on your logic there…
If you know football you can get a pretty clear picture of what a players responsibility is based on alignments and post-snap movements. This isn't a "you" problem. It's just amusing to me how much statements like "we constantly fit the wrong gaps" gets thrown around here by people who have zero understanding of scheme or, more specifically, how run fits work.
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10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
Sounds good buddy, I’ll send you the invoice for my breakdown on him!
My apologies. I thought since you were throwing around statements as if they were fact that you'd be able to back them up. That's my mistake.
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10 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:
I think the reason why a lot of people at cover 1 and the film loves Edmunds is because he “does what he’s supposed to do” for the most part.
However, it seems like he can never just go off script and “make a play “.
Thats what makes good/great players in the nfl.
See Milano for one. I’m sure he doesn’t hit every gap perfect, but the dude just makes impact plays game after game
Oh, I meant I'd like to see you provide that breakdown.
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12 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
Sometimes I wonder if I watch the same games as Tremaine Edmunds fans..
I saw a guy who was getting eat up by blocks, picking the wrong gaps all Game, and getting run over by Aj Dillon .
Sure he made 16 tackles, but how many were those 6-10’yards downfield?
Now I will say Edmunds has had a pretty good year to date.
But I don’t see how he had a good game yesterday as I thought he was borderline horrible.
Would love to see a breakdown of his play including specifics about the defensive fits in general, his specific reads and fits, and diagrams showing what he was suppose to do versus what he actually did.
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3 hours ago, Back2Buff said:
This was our issue for years now, but the Bills just roll out the same formations no matter the opponent and it continues to make no sense.
I have no idea why the Bills went nickel pretty much the entire game yesterday. If you can't stop those WR without a third CB on field, you have bigger issues with your secondary that will get you no where fast.
When the other team is missing two LBs and you are up 17 points, you go big and you run the ball down their throats. You don't try to run it out of shotgun with 3 WRs on field.
It's so frustrating to feel like we are a dumb football team because we don't adapt to the situation at hand. It's like we are too stubborn or something.
This is why many national reporter say the Bills rely on Allen too much, because they do. They are 100% right. Singletary and Cook were running fine with the right personnel in the game, yet Dorsey got so cocky.
Please explain in detail how taking Taron off for a Linebacker would have helped us fit the run better.
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6 minutes ago, Virgil said:
A slot receiver should almost primarily by the #3 receiver on a team. If only Davis and Diggs are stacked up top, I'm not going to say one of them is a slot receiver going forward
Was Edelman a slot?
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
AJ Hawk asked him "What did the Commanders do on defense that was surprising to you?"
Rodgers answered "Nothing. They played Cover 4 almost all game and sprinkled in a few plays where they had weak inserts and a few plays of man to man coverage and that was it."
Referring to Cover 3 Insert. Rolling the Safety down into the box to replace an inside backer rather than rolling down outside over #2 to replace an outside backer.
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10 hours ago, Big Turk said:
Rodgers talked about the Commanders doing a few "weak inserts" on D, tried to find out what this was but Google gave me nothing
@HoofHearted any help?
Do you have a link to the interview? I'd need a little more context in order to know what exactly he was talking about.
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3 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
Just to clarify I didn't mean they ignored the run game. So then, it's the talent of the players and/or coaching scheme that is the problem.
Without a change in personnel, what can be done this year to improve the run game?
I'll have a better answer for you after I start breaking it down in a few weeks.
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5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:
I've noticed a lot of Josh's RPOs that end up being a handoff, both he and the RB are pretty stationary. I speculate that this is caused by
Josh wanting to pull the ball back and throw or run himself.
I do agree with the timing aspect being important. It seems to me a good number of Bills running plays just don't look crisp. I have
speculated that not enough effort (as of now) has been put into the running game. I also wonder how effective practice time has been
for the offense when the Bills' run D is so good.
My hope is the run game will improve as the new OC settles in with his passing game and can give more attention with his new OL coach
to the running game. Do you see any merit in my thought or do you think I'm just dreaming?
There's a read element on RPO's but the mesh shouldn't look any different than non-RPO's out of gun. I can guarantee you the run game is a staple of practice every day. I have never been around an OC that doesn't spend at least 20 minutes on mesh and run polish every day. Then you get some type of inside run work in a team setting on top of that.
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2 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
I was under the impression that was the basis for the creating of the Pistol Formation...to make running more effective from the gun.
Ault's mindset for running was a downhill style of run game. It took him and his staff at Nevada quite some time to figure out ideal depths for the QB and RB when they first started messing around with the Pistol because it threw the timing off of all their run concepts. Ultimately though it came down to timing over everything as to whether or not a concept was able to be successful or not.
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13 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Running in general is more effective under center because the RB is moving forward as he gets the handoff versus standing still.
I wouldn't say this is inherently true either. A lot of what makes run games effective is timing, not the rate at which the RB is moving forward when he gets the handoff. Additionally, outside of some type of draw, there shouldn't ever be a time where a RB isn't moving when receiving a ball in any concept.
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3 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
All I remember is I heard someone who seemed to know he was talking about say that running the stretch handoff is more effective in the wide zone than running out of the gun. He didn't explain why, and I don't know enough to know whether what he said actually makes sense. He didn't say you can't run it from the gun; obviously, you can. He said it was more effective.
Yeah, that's just simply not true.
Goal line offensive strategy
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Naked Bootlegs have been the go-to down there all season as well as in down and short situations all year long.