transplantbillsfan

Before I click on this article and read it, I'm going to apologize in advance for what this thread will almost certainly devolve into. I hope I'm wrong. I'll be out all night so I'll check when I get back:

Find whatever you want unreasonable. When you accuse someone of being delusional, you're asking for exactly what this thread thread turned into.

Such a friggin hypocrite. "Stop talking about this subject so much! It's spamming and grounds for an infraction!" "They gone... ?" "Man, those guys are delusional idiots and here's why... again"

I'm not going to respond, but posts like this is why I keep posting on the subject. It's a thoughtful post. But one with which I disagree in some parts, and those parts are the ones that are presented in a condescending manner. Why has this thread continued and why have I continued posting on the subject? Because I'm not a buffoon and posts like this paint me as one because of my opinion, which you disagree with so strongly you decide to paint the likes of me and John as idiots because we disagree. And you can't call me a hypocrite in this case because I've said time and time again that I understand your position because it's reasonable, but I disagree. And I've explained why. Reasonably. And still you paint us as idiots. That's why this conversation keeps going. It's not spamming. It's because we aren't the idiots you paint us as and our position even on this subject you disagree with is not idiotic. And you're part of keeping this going, too.

You say bottom tier, I think he's closer to the middle than the bottom tier. But even saying Taylor is a top 15-20 QB somehow puts you in the stupid CoT that some whacko over here came up with. And I'll say again, I think he's earned 1 more season before a final and relatively accurate evaluation of what he is. 29 starts with a ton of instability in those starts between changing OCs, a revolving door at WR, an often porous OL, HC issues, and a defense that wasn't very good.

And if you think Tyrod is a capable NFL starting QB who could use a little more time to be better evaluated you're not only a Tyrod homer, but suddenly you're placed into a cult. Even dumber. Roman's offense wasn't designed around timing routes. Pretty well documented with that not only in Buffalo but also in SF with Kaep and Alex Smith. It was the offensive system more than anything, though you could see that Lynn tried implementing those things more. Yeah, that's why you saw that when he took over the Bills started implementing more of those timing routes. But even though Anthony Lynn's preferred offense is a WCO, he was calling plays out of Roman's playbook, which wasn't predicated on those routes. Lucky for us we get to find out this year because that's pretty much what it seems Dennison is expecting out of him

Thanks poop face

What? Are you denying that Lynn and especially Roman didn't have much playcalling with those short timing routes designed to get the ball out quickly for that YAC you so desperately crave? I thought that was pretty obvious. Or if you're questioning whether Dennison will do it more, apparently he said he would on WGR today http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/194093-rick-dennison-interview-on-wgr/

100% spot on! Historically going waaaaaay back if you look up Super Bowl winners those teams are usually in the top 10 of at least one of 2 critical defensive stats: yards allowed and/or points allowed. And this year was no exception. Brady was pretty awful for more than half of that game against Atlanta and has a great defensive performance and a miracle catch by Edleman to thank for getting back on track to his HOF self.

Yeah, it's not being dismissed. It's just perceived as a less difficult throw than those 30+ yard throws and, therefore, given less value. According to Dennison, we should be seeing a lot more of those short timing patters with YAC built into the offense for Taylor, anyway. I don't think Taylor has a problem running that kind offense and making those throws, our offenses under Roman and Lynn didn't call them much, though Lynn definitely called them more than Roman once he took over.

Well said, but some folks are going to chime in that you're dead wrong... and I'll bet you can guess which glass those folks have in front of them

Maybe a perfectly thrown 30 yard pass is more difficult than a perfectly thrown 3 yard pass. It's not about taking credit away from the 3 yard pass itself, it's more about all the work the WR does after that gets added in and factored into normal passer rating

This is a fantastic post. It's almost exactly how I feel. Good stuff

Considering I've started all of 2 threads since joining this board and I'm in this one carrying on a civil discussion with a couple posters while a couple others are being pretty immature with their responses, I think I'm good. Thanks, though

Weird... I don't even have 1,000 posts here but you've heard my opinion 42,000 times, huh? Why do people get their panties all in a bunch when others disagree with them and explain why using logic and/or reasoning and/or stats and/or other means of rationale? Why is it so offensive to some to have a discussion with someone you might not sway in terms of opinion but will openly accept your own differing opinion if it's reasonable and you're being civil? I blame social media. It's making everyone so terse. Okay... well apparently the mods don't think much because I haven't heard from them or received a warning or anything. Thanks for the support

Ummm, no, it's dialogue because I'm generally addressing posts directed at me, if you'll notice. It's conversation. This is a DISCUSSION board. But pretty ironic considering how much you're posting in here, as well. Sorry but there aren't many topics outside the QB position I enjoy discussing in the offseason.

You're right... message boards are better when everyone shares the same opinion...

Thank you for including the word "probably." It acknowledges that it's merely an opinion. I still disagree. I'm a big boy. If you don't get personal I'm fine with strong disagreement. If these arguments are so "ridiculous and pointless," why do you and others keep chiming in? If you presume I'm just delusional, why bother? You're just clearly too perfect to ever be at fault I guess

And I'm saying that McDermott might actually view Tyrod as the QB of the future (let's also remember that those words came out of his mouth almost 2 full months after Taylor restructured his deal, also) now, but has an out if he wants.

Kinda a unique situation here, though. The Bills haven't tried to upgrade the position this offseason. It's pretty clearly a "wait and see" approach. You're making definitive statements as though Taylor "is" or "is not" the QB of the future... like the absolute decision is now. McDermott will clearly use the 2017 season to make that final determination. But that doesn't mean he doesn't have or isn't allowed to form thoughts and feelings based on what he's seen so far in Taylor. And based on his statement and then Dennison's comments the other day about Taylor, this looks like Taylor's team and it looks like there's some excitement about his long term prospects amongst them. The entire year in the NBA pretty much everyone said that it would be the Cavs and Warriors in the NBA finals. Sure looks like they were right. That doesn't mean the season and playoffs didn't need to play out.

This is what's irritating with these posters. They gloss over the fact that I accept their opinions as reasonable but disagree. Apparently they don't realize that message boards are for discussion. Personally, I find discussion most enjoyable when you're able to see different perspectives, even if you don't entirely agree with them. I guess they just want everyone in their party boat where all their opinions are facts.

So don't read my posts if they bother you so much. I'd respond to the rest of that post because I do have responses to it, but it's also clear you don't see any reason when you see that I'm typing it. I understand your position. I respect it. I probably agree with some of it if it were all to be fleshed out at one time. But at this point, it's you and your ilk who are the ones being unreasonable in thinking that you get to decide what are facts and what are opinions. Baiting... More baiting... just sad... Sorry bro. People are complex. Not everyone operates in the exact same way. Because the human factor is involved in this, this is a lot more speculative than you realize.

I'm not saying McDermott thinks Taylor is the QB of the future in the way the Seahawks think Wilson is or the Panthers think Newton is or the way the Raiders think Carr is. McDermott obviously is basing his opinion on only what he's seen on tape and in person. Aren't there varying levels of belief in the same way that wagers in Vegas vary in terms of odds? While the Raiders might give Carr 90/10 odds that he's the QB for the next 10 years, maybe McDermott is giving Taylor 60/40 odds. Those are completely arbitrary and random odds and I'm not saying that those are the numbers, but that means that there's more risk that he won't be, but he stands a better chance of being the QB of the future than not, thus McDermott's statements, thus McDermott's statement about Taylor being the QB of the future and also not addressing the position until late in the draft. But McDermott is smart. He's hedging his bets. He doesn't know for sure or have absolute confidence that Taylor is the long term answer, so while he wants to run with a QB he think can be the long term answer, he'll probably determine that relatively quickly... certainly by the end of the season so the team can get in the position in next year's draft if need be to draft a guy. Why ask him to take this new contract and pay cut? Because it was all already setting up for McDermott by the time he arrived in Buffalo. Taylor had already mentioned that he'd consider restructuring and the game was already afoot in the media. Why would a team not want to free up more money for other players if it can while in this process creating a contract and situation where you can be sure you get your franchise QB sooner rather than later if you're wrong? It's not like there's some lasting relationship McDermott is destroying with Taylor. He just started working with him and can mend the relationship as they progress if there are any problems.

I'm legitimately curious here. Maybe I missed a piece of information here. Is there something that is not speculation that I'm missing or are you just so adamantly against me that my posts cloud your own judgement and you're making something up?

What information contradicts it? Information, not speculation... Why did you ask the question when you knew what my answer was? Were you baiting? This post is pretty childish. I gave you a thoughtful response and you give me this...