transplantbillsfan

Why do you think it is that NFL teams have significantly lower winning %s when their QBs are throwing above their average passing yards? Exactly

Can you give us a list of guys who have thrown five interceptions and a half?

The 32 QBs, all of who started most of their games (Hundley instead of Rodgers / Savage instead of Watson / Siemian instead of Osweiler or Lynch) averaged 30.8% of their passing attempts when they were leading. That's all QBs. Obviously there are going to be QBs who win a ton and have the lead a whole bunch whose percentages will be higher and you'll have utterly crappy teams like the Browns who almost never have the lead, which is why only 6.1% of Deshone Kizer's passes come when his team was leading. I'm almost surprised there were any in that case. But there were 17 teams who finished with records between 7-9 & 11-5. Not so utterly crappy they never have a lead. Not so dominant they always have it. The QBs for those 17 teams averaged 33.3% of their passing attempts with those teams leading. Please, feel free to check those calculations to make sure they're correct. You'll find them easily in the "situational stats" portion of the stats for each player on NFL.com. Conclusion: On average the Bills threw the ball significantly less than other teams in the NFL with a lead.

We've played this game before. I think at least a couple of us have given you a number of QBs and given reasoning, you just don't seem to listen. Clearly you don't agree, and that's fine. But that doesn't mean you are right. What a GM would do is not the same as whether the QB is better. Bunching those two questions together, which are two very separate things, is a really stupid and dirty way for you to just try and change the argument. Guess you like making moving targets, too. You're probably right

This, very simply, is "the world in reality" , and we have some flexibility in making certainly we don't downgrade and/or we can get some value for Taylor as opposed to just cutting him, which is a possibility but a lot less likely than many here seem to think. You're being naive if you think $16m isn't a modest contract for a top 20 veteran QB. Do us all a favor if Taylor is the starter here in 2018... it's something that seems nearly impossible for you: admit you were very wrong

No, you're just doing your typical you and making a bull crap moving target, like you always do. Remember last year when Taylor was fantastic in the red zone and you still complained constantly about him? If it's what happens in the RZ that counts, then why weren't you a Taylorite (is that really the moronic new name you're using?) last offseason? Hey look! Another moving target! Sorry but I have a life. What time I spend on here I want to spend in focused discussion, not discussion that's CONSTANTLY being shifted because a poster is all friggin over the place.

I've given you 9 QBs already, but let's get to 1/3rd of the teams in the NFL so I'll throw a few more in: Drew Brees- 45.3% with a lead & 15.5% with a 2 score lead. Blake Bortles- 39% with a lead & 8.4% with a 2 score lead. Cam Newton- 37.8% with a lead & 5.9% with a 2 score lead. 12 QBs, including Taylor, average % of passes when leading is 40.1%. Taylor, once again, averaged 26%. 40.1% is not 2% more than what Taylor averaged. 40.1% is not 10% more than what Taylor averaged. 40.1% is 14% more than what Taylor averaged. Friggin hell dude even Jacoby Brissett, QB of a 4-14 team averaged more passes from ahead than Taylor at 28.9%. My context text was based on watching what other teams do with a lead because I sit in a bar watching every game unfold every week since I can't watch the Bills at home since they're never on TV. So I had context, just from literally watching the games. Now I've provided you with some statistical context that, in fact, supports what I was saying. You're welcome Weird, I responded to your request to give you some "context," despite the fact that I already had some, but you ignore discussing the weight of that context as it relates to the argument. Why is that? Because perhaps it supports my point, not yours? Hmmmmmm???

Agreed. This is why Taylor his contract is so valuable right now. We can draft a guy in the first round, still keep Taylor and evaluate that new guy, who will (we assume) be an upgrade on Taylor. If worse comes to worse and all hell breaks loose with that kid, we still have a competent starter we could extend or Franchise, if absolutely necessary.

Agreed. The little I watched or know of college football, he's actually the guy I want most. Sorry, I read these threads chronologically. I literally just got to this post. I'm pretty sure I responded to this already, at this point.

What an absolutely head scratching statement. Taylor is your QB for at least one hopefully more games and you're saying that you would prefer that our OC doesn't alter his game planning and play calling to the strengths of his personnel rather than rigidly sticking to whatever his philosophical ideals are offensively? We can go and draft a QB in the off-season. If you don't want Denison at this point adjusting to the strengths of his personnel in order to win some playoff games… well, that's just incredibly weird if you are a bills fan.

Really fantastic find here. PFR is really an invaluable resource. Stupidity like this is annoying. Still assuming this is the reincarnation of the perma-banned Crusher. Same posting style and maybe a little extra bravado now that he's granted some anonymity.

What the HELL did this have to do with Maine-iac's comments about Shady's runs by quarter and half?! Oy

McDermott... keep up with me here... is satisfied with winning. That's priority #1. Unlike the nitpickers of yards and points, it seems pretty clear literally the only thing McDermott cares about is having more points than the other team when the clock strikes 0. Yeah, I think he's damn happy with 7 points on the board if the other team had less.

Really bad guess on your part http://stats.washingtonpost.com/fb/leaders.asp?range=NFL&rank=047&type=Passing&year=2017 Taylor, in fact, was 12th in the NFL out of 37 tracked QBs in 3rd and 8+ yard passing conversions. Plus, he was 5/8 converting 3rd and 8+ yard passing plays with his legs on scrambles. If you were to factor those 3rd and 8+ yard scrambles in he was actually 8th %-wise converting 1st downs on those "clear passing situations." Better than the top 25% ain't to shabby now, is it?

Forget? What the F are you talking about?!?! Shady, you're acting like multiple sub 50 passer rating games are uncommon for NFL QBs when, in fact, they aren't. I only looked up Joe Flacco, Phillip Rivers, Andy Dalton, Eli Manning and Cam Newton and every single one of them had multiple sub 50 passer rating games. Honestly Shady, is your disdain for Taylor seriously blinding you this much?

We were 6th in the league in rushing largely because of Taylor... you realize that, right? Take his rushing yards out alone and we drop to 25th. Oh man... best post I've read so far this week!

What you say here sounds like a coaching thing.

Do you mean the "make him a QB" blueprint? I don't understand how people still say this 44 games into Taylor's career as a Bill... and what... 29 games since we heard that from the Ravens and everyone thought... "welp!!! Now Taylor's not going to be able to play QB because every team will do THAT!!!" Except they haven't. Why is that?

Not on 3rd downs

Fantastic interview/article for a really fantastic player. Man if Gaines could just stay healthy I think you could argue our top 2 CBs and starting Safeties make up the best secondary in the league.

And you have a bad habit of doing the opposite. Yes Taylor regressed a bit in the red zone, where he was fantastic in 2016, that was why I didn't include it in the OP, which was all about his 2 most valuable assets in 2017, not his 2 biggest detriments. You get that, right? But since you brought it up, I don't know total drives per team to the red zone, but if Charles Clay could catch and hold onto the damn ball (and/or Riveron weren't being paid under the table by the Pats) the Bills would have 2 more red zone TDs and one less interception an the team would jump up a handful of spots from 21st considering the difference between 21 and 10 is 52.27% to 57.69%.

Interesting the way you don't even address the 3rd down thing. You're just always searching for something to pick apart when it's anything pro-Tyrod. % of QB passes when leading... just some examples: Tyrod- 26% Wilson- 25% Rivers- 30.6% Cousins- 32.4% Smith- 38.2% Jimmy G- 44.4% Brady- 48.2% Wentz- 52.5% Goff- 61.8% And if you wanted the percentages in terms of a two score lead, they would be as follows: Tyrod- 8.6% Wilson- 4% Rivers- 9.4% Cousins- 6.5% Smith- 13.9% Jimmy G- 10.1%% Brady- 12.6% Wentz- 9.1% Goff- 13.8%

God I wish I could go to this game, but it's a little difficult to do that flight from Honolulu. Regardless, despite the fact that this game will be on TV, I'm going to the bar to watch this game with the bills fans that I've watched and suffered with for years now. Hopefully, we're celebrating a win at the end of the day! Sorry, I heard my name

I've been trying to search for this a while because I really think you're right. If we aren't top of the league we're definitely top five. It'd be awesome if someone could find this stat. Taylor has the 8th most 3rd and 8+ yardage to go on third down passing plays among all 37 tracked NFL QBs. And all of the guys in front of him started all 16 games, while Taylor missed almost a full 2 games.