BullBuchanan

Reminder: All Cops are "a person who uses unlawful violence and intimidation, especially against civilians, in the pursuit of political aims."

Just more personal attacks. You seem to be incapable of an adult conversation.

What set the tone? the 13 pages of people murdered and assaulted by the police that I've posted here for you. I have hundreds of additional examples.

What would a "GREAT" interaction with a police officer be? One where they didn't kill a dog or kill an autistic kid? Why can't any of you go 5 minutes without resorting to personal attacks? I made a claim that police promote a culture of violence. I backed that up with statistics of how many people they've killed I made a claim that police promote a "good vs evil" and an "us vs them" narrative to justify their actions and win sympathy I backed that up with a manifesto from one of the officers that murdered Breonna Taylor, and in other threads you've been a part of: examples of Dave Grossman's teaching of Sheepdogs & Wolves, in addition to La'Ron Singletary's coverup, direct disobedience from police chiefs towards mayors. and attacks from unions toward mayors. and on and on. All you've done is ask for more and more evidence without even ackowledging a single time that what I've presented is accurate and valid. Every single thing is always "yEa bUt iS tHaT aLl oF tHeM?" It's blatant trolling, and I don't have time for it. You don't have a point and you have nothing to add to the conversation. I've been completely civil and even polite to you and I've answered all of your questions, but you at no point have been willing to exchange the same courtesy. Maybe you're too biased to see it or maybe it's too traumatizing for you to see it, but the facts are the facts. If you want to pretend like they aren't happening you do what you gotta do to get through the day. The information is here as well as additional resources like police training videos glorifying violence, Dave Grossman glorifying killing and talking about how it'll get you laid, and on and on.

Yes, they must be as they are all part of a terrorist organization as I've defined it. Why are you so hung up on the word "terrorist"? It's simply a collection of letters that has a definition that happens to apply in this case. Wouldn't our time be better spent talking about how they do or do not fit the definition of that word? Very few, if any, people set out to be "terrorists" and likewise very few, if any, organizations refer to themselves as "terrorists". It's a label placed on them by people external to their organization based on their behavior.

So every police organization, officers, unions and leadership are part of a terrorist organization? YES This is THEIR whole motivation? NO This is why THEY exist is to terrorize the public? NO Because when you say THEY you are insinuating all. YES Is that what you're saying here? YES?

Police Organizations including: Officers, their unions, and their leadership

Agreed?

I have absolutely no idea what you mean. All you did was bold "their" a bunch of times and say "How are they?" How are they what? How are they accomplishing their objectives? Through committing the offences I already sourced and making statements designed to get subsections of society sympathetic to their cause.

So if my evidence is valid, what's the problem?

So, is my evidence valid or not? Are you suggesting that the numbers are so drastically wrong that they disprove my point or weaken my argument?

"You don't hear me lambasting, engaging in personal attacks, getting nasty. I don't think that belongs in politics." Ted Cruz Please explain to me how a chart from Homeland Security is an "opinion piece"? "The National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START) is supported in part by the Science and Technology Directorate of the U.S. Department of Homeland Security" You're really running on empty now.

extremely likely, but I want to prove that I'm more than willing to back up everything I claim with evidence.

can you clarify your question?

No it's always been about violence. The police don't keep records of their own brutality however, so as I said it's extremely difficult to give you an exact number. Deaths are one metric of violence. Settlements following civil cases of police misconduct are another metric of violence What's their political motivation? Their open desire to be perceived as a force of good fighting evil. Their open desire to not be held accountable by the elected officials of their districts. They want power and control and a total lack of accountability. They want to be a paramilitary organization that operates within the US. So now my sources are innacurate? Based on what? What terms are mixed up? The sources I posted don't even require you to read them - you just have to compare the numbers. over 21 years: Antifa: 0 Terrorists: 3393 Police: > 1000+ per year ~21000

Let's be real though, not a single piece of data I've ever presented to you has ever caused you to question what you believe. You aren't trying to verify what I'm telling you, you're looking to test me and find new openings for attacks.

Antifa Zero Murders: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/27/us-rightwing-extremists-attacks-deaths-database-leftwing-antifa https://www.businessinsider.com/right-wing-extremists-kill-329-since-1994-antifa-killed-none-2020-7 "Seth Jones, a counter-terrorism expert, who helped create the dataset, told The Guardian: "Left-wing violence has not been a major terrorism threat." He said currently: "The most significant domestic terrorism threat comes from white supremacists, anti-government militias and a handful of individuals associated with the 'boogaloo' movement that are attempting to create a civil war in the United States." It wasn't just CSIS either. Researchers at the Global Project Against Hate and Extremism, and at the Anti-Defamation League, told The Guardian they did not know of any murders linked to antifa in the US in the last 25 years." Total Terrorist Deaths: https://start.umd.edu/pubs/START_AmericanTerrorismDeaths_FactSheet_Nov2017.pdf Various sources of +1000 deaths at the hands of police and an investigation into the FBI's incorrect reporting of police deaths that they acknowledged and then made changes to https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/11/police-killings-counted-harvard-study https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2015/jun/01/the-counted-police-killings-us-database https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/what-the-data-say-about-police-shootings/ https://mappingpoliceviolence.org/

I post things without links? where? I post a link on everything I ever post from a reputable source, unless I'm summarizing something that I've already cited in the past. Ok then. It seems your brain shuts off after one line. Provide credibly sourced information of people committing violence = "spew hate" If that's the case, I'm extremely proud of it. I consider it my patriotic duty.

Getting an authoritarian Russian asset and criminal out of the White House vs an asterisk denoted championship? I'll take the best interests of my country.

So just more personal attacks, and no evidence to refute mine then? I have never once seen you create a single post of substance.

If they aren't defined by violence and political motivation, what then? To be clear - you've said the police as a group are good people with a few bad apples The data makes it clear that they've killed exponentially more Americans than every than every terrorist organization combined Their own words say they are in a "battle of good vs evil" The FBI has found significant levels of gang and white supremacist involvement within the ranks of the police There are countless videos showing groups of dozens or more police instigating violence or refusing to intervene while they watch other members commit violence They settle thousands of cases of police misconduct for millions of dollars at taxpayer expense They are routinely caught covering up badge numbers to prevent identification and turning off body cameras to prevent their actions from being witnessed by the public Pretend for a second that you were raised somewhere else and that as small children we weren't repetitively told by media that police are good people and heroes and that we should aspire to grow up to be one of them. Pretend for a second that you don't know a police officer who happens to be a nice guy to you or who did you a solid once. Once you've put yourself in that space, take a look at the actions of thousands upon thousands of police officers who have been videotaped and/or credibly reported doing the above things and tell me that you still think that police are the good guys, and the people protesting their behavior are the "violent thugs" and "terrorists". If you still think that - why? At what point would your opinion change? Is there a magic number, or a certain event that would have to occur?

No shocker you failed science.

Why exactly is that going off the deep end? We have a thread on this very site that labels ANTIFA a terrorist organization. ANTIFA has been responsible for 0 deaths in the last 25 years. Al Qaeda and all official terrorist organizations combined accounts for 3393 American deaths across 21 years. 88% of which occurred on 9/11 American Police kill over 1000 americans per year. Across the same time period this would be a conservatively measured 20,000 American Deaths. This isn't my opinion - it's addition. You’re not supposed to talk about this, though. But the data are what the data are. Believe in science. So you're trying to tell me black people are stopped by the police more than white people? Yes, I know. You're approaching the point of understanding what systemic racism is. Keep reading. Your source claims that 100% of homicides in St Louis are committed by black people? Is this a Klan website?

Why? Can you refute any of my evidence? I gave you a 10+ point list in the defund thread as my justification why this is absolutely not a case of 1 isolated cad cop out of hundreds of thousands of Andy Griffith cops. This is all ***** that happened, from major news sites, backed up by the police themselves in most cases. Just because it doesn't fit your agenda, it isn't valid I guess.

Isn't Al-Qaeda bad just because they have some members that did some bad things?