Real McClappy
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Bright side of the year has been special teams.
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Big Day! Go BILLS
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3 hours ago, FappyTheClown said:
To become the guy you must beat the man... WOOOO!
I thought of this as well LOL
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1 hour ago, vincec said:
I didn't misquote you. You are saying that the Bills should lose out if they can't win enough games to make the playoffs. I think that's a bad way to build a winning culture, which is really how you build a championship team. If you think that saying the exact opposite of what you said strengthens your argument then I don't know what to say, but carry on.
Tomorrow will tell all with this club. If we get our asses handed to us, do you think we can possibly go 4-1? If the answer is no like I think it is, what is the point of winning another game? You say "building a winning culture and how you build a championship team? We will disagree here until the end of time.
Do you know what 12/3/03 was? It was the day the Bills lost drafting Big Ben due to a pointless win against the Jets to bring us a 6-10 record. Instead of drafting at pick #8 we landed 13th and Pitts had 11th due to tie breaker crap. I'm pretty sure everyone here knows the Bills tried desperately to jump ahead of Pitts and simply could not. Instead we took Lee Evans with that 13th pick and traded back into the first for friggin Losman. So yeah, that extra win against the Jets sure built a "winning culture" back in 2003 and beyond.
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16 minutes ago, vincec said:
There's no one way to build. The Seahawks built their team and then got Russell Wilson. Same with the Patriots when they inserted Brady or the Broncos when they grabbed Manning. There are numerous other examples.
The Sabres and Browns are cautionary tales to anyone who thinks that there is "zero reason to win another game" (as you posted) if they can't make the playoffs because it lowers their draft pick. Winning is a culture and a habit. You don't built it by tanking. Losing is easy and accepting losing turns you into the Browns or Sabres.
Don't misquote me as I said if we do not go 4-2 with the remaining 6 games there is zero reason to win another game as it's hurts the Bills further. With the way we are playing now I see maybe 2 more wins this year. What will those 2 wins do for us other than hurt the us like 7-9 records have done in the past?
Sure you can pull in 2 of the greatest QB's of all time on winning Super bowls as it only strengthens my point that you needs to have a franchise QB to win one. In order to get there or win one we have to draft one very early. a 7-9 record lands you JP Losman over Eli, Ben or Rivers. Your idea of 7-9 or 8-8 is flawed and history has proven it for almost 20 years now.
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2 hours ago, OldTimer1960 said:
Are you thinking of Derek Carr of the Raiders not being a bust? Derek’s brother David was the first overall pick the year he was drafted and established himself as a good starter.
This thread is interesting. It does show how important a good O-line is with a shiny new QB though and is the #1 priority IMO to establish after your guy at QB is drafted or established.
David Carr is an interesting one as he still holds the NFL record for most sacks in a season with 76 and also 3rd all time with 68 in another season. Poor bastard was sacked about 250 times with Houston over 4.5 years which is insane. His career pretty much ended there. If he had a solid O-line from his 2nd year on would he still be playing or busted at the position?
As a team you need to give your QB support (on the O-line and a decent running game) when developing or you can and will break them.
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2 hours ago, vincec said:
How is the tanking working out for the Sabres?
If all it took was losing to win championships then the Browns would be multiple year Champions.
Where the Sabres come from? Apples and Oranges there with a BS lottery draft system.
The list was to show the obvious of getting a QB and then building around him. Would Bill Polian of been as successful if GM McGroder did not draft Kelly in 1983 or Bledsoe drafting Bruce and Reed in 1985? I for one doubt it.
The list is to prove you draft your franchise QB and build around him, not the other way around.
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7 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
Of course not but you can’t commit to 2 guys at once. You have to pick a guy and see if he can play.
I guess the whole not starting him this year is puzzling to me them. I'm not sure why they are waiting to see what he can possibly become?
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3 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
They certainly can but that’s a terrible use of resources. No team is giving up a top 35 pick for a guy that they are ready to move on from already. They are going to give him a big deal (likely) and then see how he plays. In a year or 2 they may be looking again if he doesn’t work out but you can’t commit to 2 guys as your future franchise QB at the same time. That’s essentially what they would be doing if they took one in the 1st.
Is that really a bad decision though if it locks up a 15 year starter as a franchise QB? You can build around him for 5years and go on deep consistent playoff runs after.
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5 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:
The problem is that they are going to either commit to Jimmy G or let him walk. They won’t have the luxury of sitting on him. They gave up an early #2 for him. They will either have to tag him, sign him to a long-term deal or he walks. If you are willing to tag a guy that’s you’ve hardly seen i wouldn’t think that you use a top 2 pick on the same position. It’s one or the other imo.
They do have a ton of Cap room like jrober pointed out. I could see it as a possibility still not knowing what Jimmy is 100%.
I really think our trade partners are either the Colts or Bears sitting at 3-7 with current QB's on their rosters already.
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On the Whole topic of the 49ers being the top trade target. Is this reality though? What if they decide to take one of these top QB's and have them compete or sit behind Garappolo a couple years?
I know many here think 2 QB's in one draft if silly but it is a plausible still if the 9'ers value the position. If they did they would most definitely have their long term QB locked up between the 2 as none of us 100% know what Jimmy will be still.
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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:
I would hate if we pick Josh Allen. I hate to keep using this comparison but he is an EJ Manuel clone.
Not sure what Allen could become though. Could he be EJ or Big Ben 2.0? I'm thinking more like Ben but I understand your thought as well Happy.
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18 minutes ago, xRUSHx said:
My list is.
Rosen
Darnold
Baker
Allen
And nobody else, if they can not land one of them this draft is a huge fail IMO
Agree with your list Rush and have Jackson and Mason after Allen.
Our FO should scout all these hardcore and pop a list of 2 of them and make it happen.
Enough is enough man
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3 hours ago, Rubes said:
2009 1 Aaron Maybin – GONE
2009 1 Eric Wood – Starter
2009 2 Jairus Byrd – GONE
2009 2 Andy Levitre – GONE2010 1 C.J. Spiller – GONE
2010 2 Torell Troup – GONE
2010 3 Alex Carrington – GONE2011 1 Marcell Dareus – GONE
2011 2 Aaron Williams – GONE
2011 3 Kelvin Sheppard – GONE2012 1 Stephon Gilmore – GONE
2012 2 Cordy Glenn – Starter
2012 3 T.J. Graham – GONE2013 1 EJ Manuel – GONE
2013 2 Robert Woods – GONE
2013 2 Kiko Alonso – GONE
2013 3 Marquise Goodwin – GONE2014 1 Sammy Watkins – GONE
2014 2 Cyrus Kouandjio – GONE
2014 3 Preston Brown – Starter2015 1 NONE
2015 2 Ronald Darby – GONE
2015 3 John Miller – NOT EVEN ACTIVE2016 1 Shaq Lawson – Starter
2016 2 Reggie Ragland – GONE
2016 3 Adolphus Washington – StarterGotta build your team around the first three rounds. So few of them left.
I'm right with you 1000%,
This is why you don't toss GM's and HC's every 2 years unless your name is Rex Ryan.
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2 hours ago, ScottLaw said:
Was just about to say.
Ill take Tyrod over Cousins any day.
This is funny Scott! Your realize every starter on Wash O-line and top RB's have been out most the year and he is still 2nd in the league for passing?
To all their own.
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39 minutes ago, BillsFan4 said:
If we kept Lynn, that means Whaley is most likely still the GM.
Remember he benched Tyrod at the end of the year and by most accounts he was ready to move on from him.
Aaron Kromer's contract was up, too. So even if Lynn was hired he still may have left (as it was said the Bills did try to keep him but he chose to work with McVay in LA).
So who knows what our offense would look like.
Personally, I'd take McDermott over Lynn. Chargers are playing well the past 2 games. They should be with the top D line in the league, a true franchise QB (who is one of the better QBs in the NFL) and talent on both sides of the ball.
But they didn't look all that good for most of the year. The past 2 weeks they beat a struggling Bills team with a putrid offensive line and rookie QB throwing 5 picks. Then they played the Cowboys without Ezekiel Elliott, who had really struggled and gone 0-2 leading up to today's game.
Who knows, Lynn may end up being the better coach but I'm sure not ready to crown him yet or say that the Bills made a mistake not hiring him (and it has to be mentioned that he was trained/mentored the last 10 years by Rex Ryan, who the Bills were obviously looking to distance themselves from after the clown show he put on here).
I sill think we have the right head head coach and GM combo to have a good chance at success in the coming years. I'm excited to see what they do these next couple/few drafts. I have hope that they will build a sustained winner.
I do and also remember the woody Whaley had for Watson. Imagine whomever else we drafted with Watson at QB and our previous roster intact? Think about it... Would we be better off today? Would we have made the playoffs?
Either way we have McD and Beane now and need to work with that for awhile now. I'm not sure I'll be excited until I see what happens in the draft and FA. I will hope like a kid on Xmas eve though we get what we want.
I can only support it at this point like you man.
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2 minutes ago, /dev/null said:
My bad fixed it
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4 hours ago, SoTier said:
I got a better idea: get rid of McDermott and Beane.
Dumping your coach and GM every 2-3 years only sets us up back further and further. How about we try to build a real team over a 4-5 year window and then evaluate?
Here is what failure looks like:
Wade Phillips 98-2000 (Should prob still be our HC today?)
Williams 01-03
Mularkey 04-05
Jauron 06-09
Gailey 10-12
Marrone 13-14
Ryan 15-16
McD 17-present (A whole 10 games )
Honestly, Jauron was the only coach that had a fair chance but was over taken with horrible GM's in Levy and Russ Brandon.
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Most likely 2 which is sad.
We pretty much need to go 4-2 over the remaining games left to make the playoffs. If this is not possible I would rather just lose out in all honesty.
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6 hours ago, JaCrispy said:
That was the worst case scenario everyone was afraid of... most fans wanted to make the playoffs- but if we couldn’t most want the bills to lose as much as possible for the better draft pick.
Spot on, boom or bust!
If the Bills can't go 4-2 from here out there is zero reason to win another game as it just hurts us like it has so many years prior.
Some people forget but the way the late 80's and 90's team were built came from from these poor records
1982 4-5 (NFL strike year) = 83 draft - Jim Kelly and Daryl Talley
1983 8-8 = 84 draft - BLAH! - Greg Bell
1984 2-14 = 85 draft - Bruce and Reed
1985 2-14 = 86 draft - Will Wolford
1986 4-12 = 87 draft - Colan, Odoms, House
1987 7-8 (NFL strike year) = 88 draft - Thurman Thomas
6 year span 27-61 record
1988 up - Magic began to happen
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Just Win and the Media negativity goes away.
With that, it be nice for Buffalo and National media outlets understand McD and the FO are in a full rebuild.
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6 minutes ago, kdiggz said:
I am thankful we still have a team to root for. On the other hand, the only way to quit this unhealthy relationship is for them to win the super bowl or to move. I think there's a better chance of them eventually moving
From a football perspective, just glad there still is a team in Buffalo and thankful for it.
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Hey maybe Andy Reid starts Mahomes...
Game Day Thread: Bills vs. Chiefs 1st Half
in The Stadium Wall Archives
Posted · Edited by Real McCoy
Wow a 3 and out
Good job D.