oldmanfan

There was no problem with the 2020 election. The DOJ, the courts, state audits, and such all confirm that. That is what I base my premise on. Intelligent people look at actual data and that is what the data tell us. You keep claiming there were problems with the election, that there was fraud, when there were not; the only reason to think that is because of the lie that Trump promulgated. You claim there was fraud with absolutely no evidence of such, and because of that the only logical conclusion to be drawn is you believe the lie. Show me your data, not just conjecture but actual data to back up your claim of fraud that could have affected the outcome, because those who looked into it (Georgia did three separate audits as an example) found nothing to support your accusation. Was there maybe a few fraudulent votes? Perhaps. But historically the percentage of fraudulent votes is like 0.00001%. I keep telling you that you can’t just say 2+2=5 just because you feel like that’s true. That is what you are doing here.

Quit trying to deal in absolutes. Because the law isn’t the same as the first Jim Crow laws they aren’t Jim Crow laws. Now this. Rural voters in Georgia don’t have to stand in lines for hours, nor will their votes be potentially overturned by the legislature. Why? Because they vote Republican. They are not my people. I am Independent. You know that. But as an independent I am appalled at legislation that actively tries to disenfranchise anyone. I do not recall Democrats doing such. I do recall the stealing of votes by the Daley machine. That was wrong.

You support the law. The law makes it harder for some to vote. The only reason the law was written was because Trump trumped up false charges about fraud, which I have not seen you acknowledge. Where have I lied?

I have stated that I am for an ID that all citizens can access equally. And the right to vote is paramount to our country, even more than many enumerated in the first and second amendments. Without the right to vote we don’t have a democratic republic at all.

I am sorry you cannot recognize obvious facts and that you choose to be so naive on this issue. We agree on many things. Not on this. And as for earlier complaints by Democrats, tell me when Clinton conceded the 2016 election.

Bull crap yet again. The election results were audited by the states, the DOJ indicated there was no fraud, the courts ruled in dozens of cases that there was no fraud. Trump’s own trumped up committee to investigate supposed fraud in the 2016 election was quietly disbanded when they found nothing. But because one man has such apparent power over you and others you continue to puns thus illegal voting nonsense. Why is it so many cannot apparently think for themselves? Why is it so many are held in the thrall of a con man who lost the Republican Party the presidency and both houses of Congress? Why?

Bull crap. I and others have repeatedly indicated the data by which the Georgia law will adversely affect the black community. No, they are not the Jim Crow laws of yesteryear because thankfully those have been outlawed. Oh, and when it comes to data, the data that is relevant is the data that says the Georgia law and others like it and based on a fantasy. There is no data to suggest that there was fraud in the 2020 election. None. Zero. Nada. These laws are being passed because Trump had a hissy fit about losing and claimed fraud before any votes were even counted, and Republicans didn’t and still don’t have the spine to tell him to shut up.

Then what the hell are you arguing about?

All of the accusations you’ve made were examined and found to be invalid. 2+2=4. You want it to equal 5 because you refuse to accept that there is no data to indicate the election was fraudulent.

One can only hope

I have done this several times as have others. You refuse to believe it because your head is up Trump’s behind. You are incapable apparently of separating your thoughts from that of a con man who cried fraud weeks before the election because his ego would not accept losing. And because of that the craven Republicans in state legislatures scared of him made up laws to fix a non-existent problem, laws that place a greater burden on a certain more Democratic leaning population. You and others when presented with 2+2=4 insist it equals 5 because Trump waits so are to be pitied. You should have more self-respect. I actually hope the Republicans place their trust and hope in a guy that lost the White House and both houses of Congress. When they get beat like a drum again it will hasten the reclamation of the Republican Party by actual Republicans who will espouse policies I oftentimes support. No more posts to you from me on this subject. Speaking to a brick wall does not interest me.

Those were extreme actions which people today are smart enough to not emulate. They do so in subtler fashion such as have been described to you numerous times. Your refusal to get out of Trump’s backside is the issue here.

You have no understanding of statistical methods not of audits. Georgia did just what you ask. And audits do not mean you recheck every single vote, you take a representative sample. You don’t want to believe anything associated with government. You want anarchy.

I expect a big tub of goo to be drafted

Yes we do know for sure. Because the people entrusted with running elections made sure it was so. Your refusal to believe anything is your problem, not an electoral problem. The elections swung late because mail in ballots from heavily Democratic areas got counted later and in at least one state (Pa) because the Republican legislature wanted it so.

Our election this past year was the most secure in history according to those who watch over such things, in addition to the courts, DOJ and everyone else I have already listed for you. Yet you want to use confusion in one primary election in one district to somehow indict an entire system. Because you are a lackey for Trump, and he put it in your head way before the election that if he lost there must be fraud. Because he knew he’d lose and his ego refused to accept it. Think for yourself instead of having an NYC con man do it for you. 2+2=4, not 5. And 100k did not happen. There is absolutely no proof of fraud and because your guy lost you refuse to accept reality. Reality is 2+2=4. Trump wants you to believe it’s 5, and you want to buy into it. Use your head.

I already have as have several others, but you want to remain blind. If Trump insisted the moon was made of green cheese, would you insist he’s correct?

No, the courts, the state audits and the DOJ showed there was no fraud. As far as the primary someone answered above that is was confusion over the process and not fraud. But you refuse to believe anything that doesn’t fit the Trump narrative. 2+2=4, not 5. Jim Crow law started after the Civil War to keep blacks from voting, working, etc. that is happening here again. Quit being a naive troll for Trump and think.

The Republican state legislature has put itself in position to disenfranchise Democratic votes. Go look where most of the Democratic votes from Georgia came from last election and quit being so absurdly naive.

I know exactly what Jim Crowe was and a Republican legislature putting themselves in position to disenfranchise black voters is pretty much textbook for Jim Crowe.

The Republican legislature passed this. Republicans. After a non-fraudulent election. Try again.

The state legislature, which is Republican, can decide on a whim that a given county election is questionable and take control over the ballots, thus being able to disenfranchise any voters they want. They could throw out votes from the black community if they want to throw the election. This is the most egregious example. Do that answer your question?

That was a primary. Do you know what a primary is? There was no evidence of fraud whatsoever in the general election. Quit being so damn gullible and believing anything a proven liar tells you. I don’t excuse the primary by the way. But it has nothing to do with the general election in which multiple election agencies, courts and the DOJ all said that there was no fraud. Which is great for Independents like me to hear.

There is no true fraud in elections. The percent is like 0.0001%. The commission Trump set up after 2016 to investigate supposed fraud found nothing and was disbanded as a result. The DOJ found nothing in 2020. Georgia did three audits and found nothing. The changes to voter laws in Georgia and elsewhere are complete farces, being done because of some slavish devotion to an ex-President who lost the White House and both houses of Congress. I swear if Trump said 2+ 2= 5 many like you would fall all over themselves trying to rewrite the basic laws of math. Enough already. Make sure everyone has the same form of federal ID and other than that make sure everyone has the unfettered ability to vote. And that means making more opportunities available, not less. It means the state legislature can’t invalidate votes on a whim.

We have to decide when to announce our candidacy for 2024.