oldmanfan

I don't know why you're shouting. Yes, citizens. And there are efforts being made to make it harder for citizens to do that. And that cannot be allowed.

Bingo

I may have misinterpreted your comment. To me the Republican senators that voted to convict did their jobs. They took an oath to be impartial, they listened, and they voted based on their interpretation of the evidence nd followed their conscience. As for folks getting fired for expressing opinions in their private life, I think people routinely get the first amendment right to free speech wrong. You can speak out against the government all you want. You can also speak out against your employer all you want, express private opinions on things all you want that may affect the business of your employer. But then you must accept the consequences of that behavior.

Except that the politicians being censured did, in fact, do their jobs by voting in the way they felt proper. And except that companies can decide to let people go from their jobs if their behavior will negatively impact the company. Other than that your comparison was intelligent.

Another Internet tough guy. I believe in the Constitution. Every citizen in this country has the constitutional right to vote, and no laws should ever be passed that inhibit their ability to exercise that right. Put your left, liberal cheap crap where the sun doesn’t shine. You don’t have the first idea what real conservative values, based on the constitution, mean.

If we’re going to run as a ticket in the next election, we need to agree to quit using hyperbole and rely on facts. People in urban areas are not as mobile as you and I, especially elder folks. Closing polling places to make people travel farther to vote decreases their ability to do so. State governments allow certain IDs and not others; data indicates it is slanted against minorities. I would have no problem with a national ID card, but every voter should be able to easily access getting one.

Removing polling places to make it difficult to get there for people with transportation issues. Changing the type of required ID to a type many minorities do not have. You know this.

African-Americans in the inner cities along with other minorities. Citizens of the US that have the same right to vote as you or I.

Unfortunately, yes it does. Certain state legislatures are trying to pass laws that would make it harder for inner city minorities to vote.

This is one of, if not the best, posts I have ever read. Many thanks. Sobering thoughts here. Accurate and sobering.

I am 65 years old. I have not lost any individual freedom, with the exception of the quarantine at the beginning of the COVID epidemic. All my rights and freedoms I have I have had my entire adult life. Rather than some pithy picture, engage in the topic at hand. What exactly has people so worked up that they feel “their” America is being lost, “their” freedoms are being taken away? What freedoms do you not have that you had 5-10 years ago?

No they aren’t. Other than COVID which is a unique situation demanding public health measures, how are individual freedoms being taken away. Mine aren’t, nor are they for anyone I know. The ones rioting this summer and the ones attacking the Capitol would define extremists for me. As would those who want to overturn our form of government

The current what I will call political crisis seems to center around what people want to claim as the American Life. The extremists on the right seem to claim that their America is being taken away, that for some reason what they consider the American way of life is being stripped from them. And they want to take it back by whatever means they need to use. On the other side you have the left extremists who want to claim to many are being denied their version of America, that the American Way of Life is being denied to minorities and such. So what is America? What is the American way of life? Frankly for people like me, older, white, of good financial means, I don't see my America being taken away by any stretch of the imagination. I have all my rights granted to me by the Constitution, they are not being affected at all. I am happily married, and I know gay couples that are married and that has absolutely no influence on the state of my marriage. I have no problem with all citizens of our country having the exact same rights, no more, no less, than the next guy regardless of race, ethnicity, sexual orientation. Having all have the same rights to me is American - I am not having anything taken away by that. I believe immigration has been great for our country historically, and that legal immigration should be encouraged and illegal immigration be dealt with harshly. I think most Americans agree with that, that somehow that does destroy the American way of life. I think people should have the right to protest peacefully, and when they do so it does not somehow strip away my America. I think when protestors get violent they should be charged, arrested, convicted, and go to jail. So when some say their America is being taken away, how? Why? We are a melting pot, we always have been (although sometimes with destructive consequences especially our treatment of native Americans). How another person chooses to lead their life has nothing to do with somehow stealing anything from my living my American life. I don't get it. Someone explain it to me.

Yes it is if you are elderly and have troubles getting to the polls, or get to the polls and because of insane laws being passed trying to prevent you voting if you don't have the right kind of ID and such. There is a systematic attempt through gerrymandering and other actions to make it difficult for certain populations to vote, and by and large it is being driven in states with Republican legislatures. Rather that winning based on the content of their ideas (then again they did not even have a specific platform of ideas in the 2020 election), they want to win by disenfranchisement. Anyone who believes in the Constitution should support every citizen of this country having their right to vote protected. I agree that appropriate ID should be presented, but we should be encouraging different ways for voters to do their constitutional duty, not less. The fraud in elections is not that there are fraudulent votes being cast in a systemic fashion, the fraud is that people claim there is a fraud to begin with.

About a month ago. Got a little tired the day after but nothing else. Everyone needs to get vaccinated!

I’m ready!

Wish I could agree, but his narcissism and ego won't allow him to have his legacy as losing the presidency. He'd want to try again, but that will be impossible to do from prison. I believe he'll be indicted and convicted for fraud, extortion, or other charges in NYS, probably Georgia, and quite possibly in DC.

Reporters should ask everyone who voted no if their vote would have changed if the trial took place before Jan 20.

I am sure Beane will make a call.

Three Senators met with Trump’s lawyers tonight. They should not be allowed to vote in this trial. They should ideally be thrown out of the Senate. Oaths mean squat apparently.

I still think we should run for President/VP.

Yep. There are very few people in Congress that care about the country anymore.

Impeachment is a political process. I always think of things this way: if the parties being charged were switched, I.e. if it were a Democratic president, would your vote change? If so, you’re a hypocrite and a blight on the Senate, and you should be voted out of office. And we have a majority sitting in the chamber right now from both parties who would be guilty of this. There should be a lot more people charged with some serious crimes based on the events of Jan 6th. And I would include the former president. But it is only about a month out and these things take time, I suppose.

If the Republicans vote to not convict, then I hope federal and/or DC officials do what guys like Rubio want: arrest Trump for what he did.

Right. They negotiated this between the House and Senate. For Senators to now say it’s unconstitutional is disingenuous at best.