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    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    Just now, Hapless Bills Fan said:

     

    I don't think it's that uncommon for high-level vets the team really wants to retain to negotiate for salary "protected against injury". 

     

    Would typically be a handful of players per team as I understand it.  It's a risk mitigation tool for the player and a cap management tool for the team - "my guy could get more $$ on the open market" "we'll give him an injury guarantee" "OK!"

     

     

    I fully understand that. And Eric deserves everything.

     

    my initial post days ago was all in regards to the cap. Not if he deserves it as a man 

    Source: Bills all in on Peterman unless they can land Sam Darnold

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    2 minutes ago, Foreigner said:

    What is it with this guy and Peterman, a 5th rounder who can't play? I don"t get this.

     

    Neither do I.

     

    EJ Manuel was a better QB day 1 of his rookie season and we couldn't wait to run him outta town

     

    Peterman might be able to develop into a backup , he isn't even there yet , even if he just spent the season as the #2.

     

    we need a better starter and backup 

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    NCAA to Allow CFB & CBB Players Transfer without Sitting Out?

    in College Football

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    9 minutes ago, CritMark said:

     

    Obviously the devil is in the details.  I would add to freshmen any athlete not on scholarship.  Expanding on my original idea, any athlete on a 50% or less scholarship can transfer without a wait.  Look at the Mayfield situation.  While the stories vary on what did or did not get communicated or was going to be communicated, the fact remains that Mayfield was never on scholarship at TTU.  If a school didn't think it important enough to get any athlete on scholarship, why can't they move at any time without penalty.

     

    In absence of a scholarship, what committeemen has the school made to the athlete?

     

    Completely agree...

     

    Baker Mayfield should have never had to sit out a year...Tech never gave him what he deserved 

     

    and he should have been allowed to play

     

    But that Redshirt year probably did help Baker improve a lot even if it shouldn't have been mandated 

    NCAA to Allow CFB & CBB Players Transfer without Sitting Out?

    in College Football

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    4 minutes ago, JohnC said:

    There is another twist to your view. If a player is anchored to the bench in a high powered program with a load of more talent coming in with the next recruiting class then that player would have an incentive to transfer to a mid-major program and get immediate playing time. Will the top talent at the mid-major have an incentive to bolt to a higher program? Not necessarily, because those programs are so loaded that the big fish in the small pond can turn out to be big  fish lost in the surplus of the bigger pond. 

     

    Why is it fair for a coach to recruit a player and then bolt without the player having an option to leave? In that circumstance of a coaching departure that player could be lost in the shuffle of the new staff that wants to run a system on offense/defense in which he isn't suited for. 

     

    You certainly make valid points.

     

    I also made a point that players do commit to a school first and a coach second.

     

    its a commitment and certainly a coach is a HUGE factor but the school is giving them a scholarship and making a commitment to them for 4 years as well

     

    there are always exceptions like a coach bolting and I don't hold it against them for wanting to transfer ...

     

    but as of now they should have to wait a year and redshirt like everyone else before them. If they change it , I just hope it doesn't start poaching 

    NCAA to Allow CFB & CBB Players Transfer without Sitting Out?

    in College Football

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    2 minutes ago, CritMark said:

     

    A very legitimate concern. 

     

    Here's an idea that popped in to my head that is likely a bad one as I have not spent any time thinking it through.  What if the restriction isn't in the transfer but the scholarship?  Perhaps limit the amount of the scholarship offer to an equivalent 75% or 50% for the first year of the transfer. 

     

    Just a thought.

     

    Thats really not a bad start but their are a lot of variables at play.

     

    a kid transferring because his coach left and he's coming off his freshmen year.. I'm cool with that 

     

    but the stud JR WR at UB or Toledo that gets poached off their roster for Ohio ST or Michigan should definitely not be rewarded 

     

    The year wait really is a deterrent for player poaching 

    NCAA to Allow CFB & CBB Players Transfer without Sitting Out?

    in College Football

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    1 minute ago, CritMark said:

     

    I agree with you in concept but I don't think it holds up to today's reality.  I seems to me that a lot of top athletes are selecting schools based almost exclusively for their football/basketball program.  Should they is a different question.

     

    Look at the mess at Tennessee.  It was handled so badly that several coaches said thanks but no thanks.  Why should the players have to suffer the consequences when a coach they went there to play for leaves and the institution messes up the replacement process so badly that the school ends up with its 4th or 5th choice as head coach? 

     

    Why should a player be stuck at a school that changed coaches and the new system is totally inconsistent with that players skill set?  You you could argue that it is an opportunity to show you can prosper in any system but that doesn't hold any value in some circumstances.  Say I am a pure pocket passer (Josh Rosen from UCLA) and the new coach wants to run a Louisville style offense that requires a QB like Lamar Jackson or Deshaun Watson.  Rosen does not work in that scenario and it is likely the new coach would recruit a kid that fits his scheme.  Why should Rosen have to sit out a year?  Worse yet, why should Rosen's growth as a pocket passer be compromised by forcing him to try to adapt to a system that will not serve him well in college or in the NFL?

     

    BTW - I think this is primarily an issue for Football.  Basketball with the one and done rule means the best players would have a much smaller window of impact.

    There are definitely times I wouldn't hold it against a student athlete to transfer 

     

    im just talking on the slippery slope.

     

    UB develops a stud WR who is going into his JR year. Ohio State needs a WR... OSU poaches WR off UBs roster with a scholarship offer

     

    thats the stuff I'm talking about 

    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    Just now, ddaryl said:

     

     

    Yeah caught that.. Just saying in regards to the contract hit it leaves in the wake. How do you avoid that especially with a player like Woods.. You can't without losing face, which may cost us more in the future as other players take notice,  so we live with the cap hit

     

    I agree 

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    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted

    8 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

     

     

    Took us long enough but we found that common ground..

     From the Bills perspective, how do you look a model soldier in the eye and tell them sorry no guarentees for you... it was a gamble / calculated risk... but Woods deserved his guarentees.. He was a good soldier

     

    I actually agreed with you a page back but I didn't quote you so I don't blame you if you didn't see it

     

    Wood deserves every penny he has ever gotten and deserves any guarantees and incentives that his contract may have 

     

    he was a model Player and citizen here for nearly a decade. He has came back from numerous heart wrenching injuries and I definitely valued him as a Bill

     

    he will be missed 

    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

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    2 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

     

    I agree its pointless..  don't know a single person / lawyer who would sacrifice themselves without injury protection... or why anyone feels the Bills did something bad here.

     

    Again I never thought what they did was bad. It is a very good thing from a personal standpoint and I'm praying for Eric

     

    i was just stating that the cap hit is bad from a business standpoint.

     

    you could be right . More players may have injury clauses than I know , it certainly isn't public till it happens 

    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    1 minute ago, ddaryl said:

     

    I disagree.. I think they very much are... you get injured and can no longer play, your contract is signed and you get paid. medical retirment is no different than unable to continue to play catostrophic injury 

     

    The CBA states it is not standard in all NFL contracts .

     

    but I'm done arguing something that is pointless... I'm glad wood is ok and I hope he lives a long healthy life

    Eric Wood's Cap Hit

    in The Stadium Wall Archives

    Posted · Edited by Buffalo716

    12 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

     

    The contrats are guarenteed because they are written that way... A medical retirement is the same as being injured an unable to play. A decision to just no longer play the game is a different story... This is where you are confused.. Medical Retirement is different than normal retirement.

     

    But not a lot of contracts in the NFL are guaranteed for medical retirement 

     

    only the top 20 picks and that's fairly new...

     

    it doesn't matter, wood deserves everything . The cap hit sucks as of now and that's a fact. That was my only point 

     

    no other player on our team besides a top 20 pick has that injury clause besides Wood and maybe kyle Williams 

     

    TT definitely doesn't 

     

     

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