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2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:
I mentioned something the other day that I liked about this draft, which is that they took guys with significant upside throughout the draft. Coleman, Bishop, Carter, Davis, Van Pran-Granger, Ulofoshio, Solomon, Grable, Hardy, and Clayton. Each one is a guy who, if he pans out, will end up being a bargain, and each is a guy who actually could pan out. .
Very excited with the draft and I think Beane did a great job
He lets the board fall to him and he has an eye for good football players... Vpg is a football player through and through
You couldn't measure Matt milano's heart coming out
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On 4/30/2024 at 1:08 PM, Sweats said:
In my opinion, Maye was the best QB to target in this draft and i don't like that he's in the AFCEast.........he's got some mechanics and footwork issues to work on, but he has the most upside IMO.
I don't blame NE for wanting to stand pat and get this guy.
Maye has way more to correct then Caleb Williams... Including a not perfect release and playing weaker in the pocket despite giving 20 lb to Caleb...
There's a reason why the 6'2 220 lb quarterback went over the 6'4 235 lb guy
The bigger guy has the look... But his faults do not bode well to the NFL unless he corrects a lot... Including a longer release, struggles under pressure and times gets lost with his reads
Caleb Williams can go from his first to his fourth read.. is the strongest in the pocket in the draft.. super super plus arm with velocity and is a better athlete
Maye didn't take the step this year that I thought he would... He's also very young and raw... He's a guy that is going to take 3 years but he does have a lot of talent
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1 minute ago, Shaw66 said:
Fifth round picks usually are projects of some sort. This is no exception.
Have the Bills invested in an arm-stretching machine yet?
Hahahah the rack! I have seen it around some of the seedier parts of one Bills drive 🤣
What also hurt his draft stock is that he is basically a center only... The bills and most of the NFL value position flexibility
If you're a large guard who can play right tackle it's a boost... If you're an athletic big guard who could play center... It's boost
If you can play left and right tackle it's a boost
He is strictly a center... In the modern NFL that probably did push him down another round.. what I do like about him...
Is that he is a very aggressive blocker... You can't teach aggression... It's a trait you have or don't
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3 hours ago, Shaw66 said:
I have to agree. Guy's started at center in a big-time college program, so it's practically a given that he has the mental skills to play the position now. Given that, it's telling that he fell to the fifth round. It must be clear to the scouts and GMs that his physical limitations raise real questions about whether he ever can succeed in the NFL, let alone start as a rookie.
If he wins the starting job as a rookie, he will be the steal of the draft.
His short arms and inconsistent ability to play with good technique are definitely his biggest flaws
If the bills online coach can basically mold his technique over the next year... And get him into the weight room... I can see taking the next step at the NFL level
But he needs to work on his technique and gain some Mass
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45 minutes ago, Augie said:
Was that in a previous life? Or did you have a “procedure”? 😋
We can rebuild him... Better.. stronger
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1 hour ago, Doc said:
I hear what you're saying, but then I look at the Chiefs in 2021. They drafted Humphrey in the 2nd round and Trey Smith (RG) in the 5th round and both started from Day 1 despite the Chiefs having just gone to the SB and having an All-World QB they wanted to protect. I'm sure there was an OL like McGovern who by all accounts should have started over Humphrey, but they took the chance. And Torrence is a 2nd year RG, not a rookie like Smith.
And another thing to consider is that, while McGovern has more professional experience, Van Pran has spent the last 8 years playing only center, and the last 3 years on the premier college football program that finished 1st, 1st and 5th in the nation, often times going up against future NFL players. McGovern OTOH hasn't played center since his sophomore season in college and 1 game as a junior.
Now I agree that Van Pran likely won't win the starting job because I don't see the Bills taking a chance like the Chiefs did. But you never know.
Yes the only thing that is giving vpg the leg up right now... Is that he has been playing strictly center and starting for years in the sec
Which is AAA to the MLB... He has been groomed
Now the flip side of the coin... Is that in the modern NFL.. it's physically tougher to play guard because they get more one-on-ones
Center is mentally tougher... Centers can be smaller better athletes... Guards need to be big mauling athletes
If McGovern has the mental aptitude to play center which he says he was being groomed for in Dallas... Then he physically is one of the bigger more athletic centers in the NFL
Vpg while he might not have the mass of McGovern... Can use use his experience to mentally be a step ahead
Does McGovern have the ability to still think like a center after not playing it for years? That can be the difference.. physically he should be very good
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8 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:
LOL my 72-year old mother gave up such dreams a LONG time ago
Well to be fair the dream was probably gone after half a dozen concussions 5 years of college football and a blown ACL
But my point stands that the 40-yard dash is a trained drill... Training with a sprinting coach for a year will vastly improve your time... The get off staying low and driving through your momentum instead of getting straight upright
Football players with track experience excel in the drill... A football player with basketball experience like Coleman... He didn't have the right technique from the first 15 steps
That will clearly hurt your time in a drill of inches and milliseconds
But once he gets going his naturally long strides look like they would be great in a hundred meter dash... Which long speed also correlates to the NFL
And he could use training to increase his quickness
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1 hour ago, Dr. Who said:
I think the point that some folks are making is that they are granting that head-to-head, McGovern will win against SVP, no matter how talented he may be, because professional experience goes a long way, and even though Van Pran was excellent at the collegiate level (I am an UGA fan, he was), it doesn't match the kind of experience McGovern has accrued. The way that SVP is not competing against McGovern is in the holistic synthesis of the best starting five. It may be that McGovern at LG with Van Pran at center is part of the most effective grouping.
It is in that way that Van Pran does not have to prove to be superior to McGovern at Center, but as the Center that allows McGovern to play LG. If that contributes to the better Oline, it will happen. And long-term, I say Van Pran will develop into a starting Center for many years.
That is certainly possible and that would have to come down to McGovern being a distinct upgrade versus Edwards or Collins
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2 minutes ago, Richard Noggin said:
Stay right where you are. McBeane's scouts are on their way. Don't panic. This is the big break you've been working for all these years.
I can't wait to call my 75-year-old mother
This is what she's been praying on
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6 minutes ago, NewEra said:
Because those people are idiots. Read the comments and laugh. More fuel to the fire
Mike Tyson wanted to eat your children and he had a pretty successful boxing career
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1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:
It's over for me at 55, but I can STILL shoot the lights out 🙂
I need a stretch forward for the Gus macker lol
How tall are you and can you still rebound 🤣
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17 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:
I've mentioned this numerous times this thread. T.O. is running 4.4 presently😂
It honestly all comes down to training
The training for the 40-yard dash has came down to an exact science... And you'll get more out of it with the most preparation
TO is a notorious workout warrior who has never stopped training... It makes sense he can run off 4.44 forty even at his age but when he was coming out of college the science wasn't down to a T yet
I'm nowhere near the athlete I was when I was 21 years old.. but I can still go to a training facility with 20-year-old athletes and clock 20 miles an hour with a 4.48 .. now I'm not Terrell Owens age but I'm not 21
But I'm not the same guy I was when I was 20 it's just I never stopped training and running
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2 minutes ago, EmotionallyUnstable said:
I don’t necessarily see it this way.
I would think that there is some risk/benefit analysis to injecting SVPG in at center. Where as you see it through the lense that he is unseating McGovern, could it not also be seen as it allowing him to stay at LG?
I think Kromer and the staff with have to weigh what combination can be most effective. Would Edwards/McGovern be a stronger duo than McGovern/Van Pran-Granger while allowing Edwards to stay as 6th in and primary IOL back up?
A move like this allows for a single change up front, keeping the Dawkins/McGovern duo in tact. With a McGovern move to C, you now have an entirely new combination at LT/LG along with the change to how the guards will mesh with the C
I don't work with the bills so these are things that they're going to have to see themselves
That is feasible
I also think a guy like McGovern has been itching to play center for years.. he may come in and be better than Morse.. it's possible
And you would think you could get a serviceable player out of Edwards/ Collins
If those two arent feasible.. and vpg is playing well... Then that becomes actually likely
I just can't see those two guys who are professional athletes battling for a starting spot.. not give you one good year.. sometimes a fire up your ass is what a pro needs
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6 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
Good nuanced answer. It's not the center spot where I took issue with your statement. It's the left guard spot. It just may be that Edwards/Collins is such a step down from McGovern that it would be more feasible to keep McGovern at his old spot, and if the rookie shows out, put him at center. It's not crazy that he would have a Christian Benford type camp. But I appreciate your football background, and you are most likely on point. They even told Van Pran that he may be used as a guard.
That's a very good rebuttal
And that is feasible.. I can see something like that happening
But didn't Edwards start on a super bowl Rams team? Or was that the year before?
Collins started with a pretty good career and has kind of fell short... But him and Edwards are basically getting the same guaranteed money
If neither of them.. fit the actual bill at left guard.. and van pran Granger has been holding his own
Then yes it can make sense to refill the left guard spot.. if vpg is able to play within the scheme fit next to McGovern and Torrence... But I do think a year of seasoning to correct his technique flaws could take him from good to very good
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13 minutes ago, bearstobills said:
You speak as if you are an expert on this matter. But me thinks you are not. Training camp will decide. And that hasn't happened yet.
Well, I don't sit here all day everyday and talk about everything I know about the sport.. but I've been posting here and on the old bbmb for 15 years
And I played division one football... Have coached and scouted
I'm still employed in the game of football.. and I have made plenty of scouting reports for people here that have asked for certain players
He's a good football player at that round.. I would not bet on him out playing McGovern.. who has been waiting to be the linchpin of an NFL team
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3 hours ago, billsfan89 said:
I don’t think they would care about playing Van Pran playing next to Torrence coming off a rookie season where he played fairly well and now has a second off-season to work on his game. I think they are more just not wanting to be “forced” to start a rookie and to have optionsAs I've said multiple times...
There is literally next to no chance.. a short-armed , smaller center who struggles with technique .. could beat out a NFL starter... With center experience in college... And is now one of the strongest biggest centers in the league
It will be next to impossible to beat him out in 1 year... Maybe next season or the year after
You're not unseating an the NFL veteran who is big for his position year 1... Who is starting quality
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I was a galaga machine
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12 hours ago, Bill Grundy said:
I accept what you are saying. But an athlete and a sportsman aren't quite the same thing. I don't doubt his physical and athletic attributes. But talent is another thing. If you can take a guy whose previous sporting job is simply to run fast past men half his size at the lowest sporting level - and turn him into an NFL tackle ... then that coaching team are geniuses. I mean, I hope to be proven wrong. But I'd be worried if this lad was selected for my local rugby team. Let alone my favourite NFL franchise.
But, yes, I agree he's an athlete. I'm not just sure that's the same thing as a sportsman - in my definition of the term. Looks like he's turned his hand at a few and not made the grade. Mad if he eventually makes it probably the most elite sport in the world.
Well to be fair the definition of sportsman is somebody who engages in sports... And it's actually used for hunters or fishers usually including in the definition
If you're playing sports at 20 years old for a club.. I would call you a sportsman or an athlete or whatever you want to be called
It certainly isn't playing t-ball at 5 years old...
This is called a lottery pick... And professional coaches are professional for a reason.. they are trained to get the best out of people
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3 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Another day, another departure. This is just getting depressing. I think that leaves two centers on the roster, and Nyheim seems like he isn’t the most durable.
BTW, my buddy who is a McNeese State fan (actually played for them) sent me photos of Quadir Copeland down there eating alligator as he was being wined and dined. I still can’t get over losing him!
It turns out mkneese State might be the place for quadir lol
I didn't realize wade was there and he probably gave him a bag with 300k cash and a ford explorer 🤣
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3 hours ago, NewEra said:
lol….I’m the biggest agitator? 🤣 oh man. You don’t like me because I’m anti doom and gloom. You ARE doom and gloom, so I get it. Cool.
i agree that 10ish years ago, I may have been top 10, but now I just get a little out of hand when I drink. Luckily for the board, I don’t really drink unless I’m watching a bills game and don’t post very often during the games.
I love the honesty
Reading I just get a little out of hand when I drink might be the best sentence I've ever read on the site
I also get out of hand when I drink
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25 minutes ago, DCOrange said:
It is Will Wade coaching there. He's getting some pretty good players.
Didn't will Wade get investigated by the FBI LOL and fired from LSU for some sketchy stuff
Doesn't surprise me he's getting good guy lol
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2 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Another day, another departure. This is just getting depressing. I think that leaves two centers on the roster, and Nyheim seems like he isn’t the most durable.
BTW, my buddy who is a McNeese State fan (actually played for them) sent me photos of Quadir Copeland down there eating alligator as he was being wined and dined. I still can’t get over losing him!
I can't imagine Copeland going to McNeese State LOL
Unless there really is something wrong with his character... But he seems so smiley and friendly at Syracuse
He's got to be a high major player.. he's a 6'6 guard who is super crafty
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4 hours ago, Bill Grundy said:
In terms of rugby positions …
there are very few similarities in the two games skill wise
In terms of OT, absolutely zero. At best a front row. But it’s just not comparable.
Matt Milano has skills that might make him a good player at centre or flanker in rugby. But it doesn’t really work both ways. And hardly at all on offense.
For the record, the guy Rees Zammit who KC got. He plays the same position as this lad. It could potentially be transferred to half back or wide receiver. But probably not.
But zammit was an excellent international pro. One of the best in the game. This boy played for a pub team. It’s too much to call him a rugby player. I work with a boy who plays at a higher level than this lad on the weekends
He’s just big. But he’s not a sportsman.if he IS … then this is the greatest spot in history.
ignore this quote bit below. Messed up my post on my phone and can’t change it
Calling him now a sportsman is kind of b*******
He's 6'7 300 lb... And runs a 4.7 forty
He's an insane athlete.. I don't care if he played bar League rugby or tennis at a country club
His size and speed is world class... And you could take a few years to mold him into whatever you want
Patrick Ricard is a 300 lb fullback.. you can see if he can figure out full back over 2 years behind Gilliam.. get him to lose 20 lb and see if he can catch a ball at TE
You can take 3 years and see if you can develop him as a swing tackle.. give him the ball on the 1 yard line
Obviously it's a pick that probably will not pan out.. but at the end of the draft you can never go wrong taking an athletic specimen
He is far from your average athlete with his size and running ability
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23 hours ago, Rockinon said:
The UB kicker. Came on strong his senior year. Going to be some kicking competition in camp.
Actually his senior year was worse than his junior year
He is a stud and I honestly had a seventh round grade on him..
He is slightly inconsistent in the short game... But he drills 50 plus yarders
Big leg.. I see him being an NFL kicker
9 hours ago, PromoTheRobot said:McNulty kicked for the U at Buffalo for 4 years. A cannon for a leg but accuracy was an issue early in his career. He would miss XPs regularly. 🤦♂️ But he gradually improved and become fairly reliable by his final year.
His junior year was actually by far his best .. and I put a 7th round grade on him after that year
Slightly inconsistent inside 35... But from 50 out he has the ability to be legatron
There aren't many kickers in the country who drill 50 yards plus at his pace in Western New York conditions in college
Also hit 100 straight extra points after starting slow
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The Vikings allegedly tried hard to trade up to #3
in The Stadium Wall
Posted · Edited by Buffalo716
First of all I have watched every single game of Caleb Williams career including seeing him live in high school and live in college
USC is not as talented as you made it out.. without him they would struggle to win for games it's not the same USC of old
You say he regressed from his Junior to senior year but he's only been in college three seasons... So the fact he lit the world on fire as a true sophomore... It's kind of hard to elevate your game when the team around you isn't elevating ... He is USC... No quarterback can elevate aTeam that gives up 38 a game
I could have told you the second he walked on campus at Oklahoma that he would have been the number one overall pick and he certainly didn't read half the field in Lincoln Riley's offense... He has some faults like every Young quarterback
But he is easily one of the more polished quarterbacks with came out in the last 10 15 years... Definitely ahead of guys like Baker Mayfield and Josh Rosen and Josh Allen and Justin fields and CJ Stroud
That doesn't mean he's going to become the best player in the world but he is very advanced for his age and certainly the mold of the modern prototypical playmaking quarterback
He also plays stronger than Drake maye