Buffalo716
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5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said:
I don't know it's true, but it feels true
It feels true to me too and that's why I said it lol
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1 hour ago, FireChans said:
Just like Devonta Smith was gonna snap in half
You literally cannot compare the slim reaper with worthy LOL
One was a dominant sec player who put up record-breaking numbers winning the Heisman .. is as smooth as they come
The other is a glorified track star with suspect hands.. who is 163 lb soaking wet
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Just now, Beck Water said:
You know, I hadn't thought of that....but that's actually one of the most plausible explanations I've heard to explain it
Definitely... It's no fun having a bunch of homers call to say how great the organization is for hours lol
After all these years.. and all the crazy callers... That is the only thing I can think of
That when they want some drama... They're screening for those calls
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1 minute ago, LabattBlue said:
Turned on WGR while driving earlier. They really need to stop taking calls…just one bad take after another.
They screen to take the worst callers lol
It's no fun having a bunch of homers call
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10 hours ago, Nelius said:
Cousins has been QB purgatory death camp for years. I respect his grind and how he got people excited last year. Saw the tik tok vids, tee hee. But he will always be the middling QB that never gets you over the hump. He’s well behaved Jay Cutler at best. Ryan Tannehill+. Frankly the worst QB1 possible because it can stifle all growth.
But he could potentially be the best QB2 in the league for years, if he accepts it, immediately. Highly doubtful considering his known ego.
Football is the ultimate team game
You can absolutely win with Kirk cousins.. he's much better than Brock purdy
Him taking ridiculous contracts hurts the team around him because they can't build around him as well.. he's a good quarterback who gets overpaid
But he can certainly win in the NFL.. Nick foles has a super bowl
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2 hours ago, Logic said:
Of course the real answer is that no one knows this early.
But that's no fun, so...
My winners were Detroit (I think Arnold was a great value where they got him), Philly (again, great value), and KC ("you should call the Bills as a prank just to say if they'll willingly give us the fastest man in combine history").
My losers were Atlanta (no explanation needed), the Panthers (I don't think we were picking Legette, so I'm not sure why they felt compelled to trade up with us).I would have Minny as a loser, because of the way they backed themselves into a corner on QB, and then had to trade a haul just to move up one spot because they had no other choice...but...they somewhat redeemed themselves with the Dallas Turner value pick...so I guess they're "half and half" winner/losers.
Biggest losers:
Bills fans. Waiting all night to pick 28, then trading to the arch rival Chiefs, then trading out of the 1st round completely. Good lord. RIP our Thursday night.You do realize Worthy is not Tyreek Hill... He's a lot closer to our own kolby listenbee lmao better but my point stands
The dude is a track athlete not a natural football player... You can get away with that in college... Everybody in the NFL is big strong and fast
He's 163 lb soaking wet and our own whipping boy Elam will have no problem clamping him
You heard it here first Elam will be able to take him out of games easily because he's a one-trick pony and Elam plays that trick well
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I just want to say that everybody who's crying about trading to the Kansas City Chiefs
This is not like when we traded with them and they took Patrick mahomes
We have a big value at wide receiver... And the fact we let two teams come up and take them.. show we did not value those guys enough to pull the trigger
Now our front office is not perfect... But it has done a good enough job turning this franchise around to where I trust them
And Worthy is not Tyreek Hill.. he's 163 lb soaking wet and Elam who is the site's whipping boy.. will have no problem taking him out of a game
I'm not worried about him
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21 minutes ago, BigDingus said:
I'm glad the Bills didn't trade up, that's what I was most concerned about.
That being said, I wasn't too thrilled that we just said "eh, we don't need a 1st round pick anyway" and bowed out for next to nothing. But hey, that's secondary to not blowing your load to get to the top 10.
We've moved up 50 extra spots day 3 to go from 32 to 33
Not exactly nothing when your GM hits on day 3 picks
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7 minutes ago, ganesh said:
Crazy it happened on Draft day when the light usually shines bright on him that day for his insights
It happened last month
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Penix is a 6th year college quarterback
Who has major shoulder surgery... And a reconstructed ACL
Great college player and I really do hope the best for him as I do all players....
But man... I didn't have him in my top 45 or so players
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4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:
Kadary Richmond entering the transfer portal! Crazy how college bball
has changed. He is exactly the perfect player right now— 23-year old with tons of experience.
https://www.espn.com/mens-college-basketball/player/_/id/4701845/kadary-richmond
The fact he hasn't developed into an NBA player...
Boeheim would've had him top 15
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9 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Yea that elongated release is his biggest issue IMO. Walking strip sack unless he can tidy that up.
Yea... It's not the worst... But it's not as crisp as you'd like from a top five pick
He also didn't play his senior year of high school.. so he's super young, with a lot of traits, but unpolished
I talk about seeing Caleb in high school and seeing a number one pick... Drake Maye always was very interesting to me
He's got the look.. and he does have a very good arm and is a good athlete.. he just needs to catch up to the game
And work on that release
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7 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:
I'm not saying he's going to be a threat the next 2 seasons, but by year 3 and added weapons he could pose a problem. He's not pasty like Mac.
Oh he's definitely got the potential to be really good
He's actually super young and I would sit him as long as I could this year.. that would bode well for them long term
And could help maximize his potential and raise his floor
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1 minute ago, LABILLBACKER said:
Maye is going to be good. A problem in the afce.
he has a lot more faults than Caleb Williams .. who people here think is overrated
And he doesn't play like he's 6'4 230 lb... He has a lot of talent
But he has a lot more flaws to correct on game tape than some admit... Including not the smoothest release
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9 minutes ago, Beck Water said:
Well, we've talked before, you know I acknowledge that when it comes to watching broadcast film I have "slow eyes" and need all-22 and a couple watchings to know what I'm seeing....but to my eyes, we had real problems beating man coverage last season and that includes Diggs, at least in the 2nd half of the season.
It wasn't always press, in that JT O'Sullivan QB School youtube vid on the division game vs KC you can see routes where Snead just sat back and waited for Diggs route to bring him to him, basically - he must have felt pretty confident he understood what route concepts were going to be run from different sets and cues.
I think Sneed was confident playing off man because diggs wasn't running with the speed he was 2 years ago
Whether that back injury did hamper him.. and he was playing through it
Or he physically is losing it, or a combination of both
Sneed is able to sit away from Diggs comfortably because he's not afraid he will run away from him... So he can basically sit on a hook/slant or if diggs tries to run by he isn't worried about turning his hips and running
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1 minute ago, Beck Water said:
So clarifying, that was for 2022, not 2023?
Yes but for some reason it made it look like it was from this past season
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4 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
Italicized: I am not disputing that. He was great. Until he played the Chiefs, Sneed just OWNED him man... unfortunately.
And I agree. However, we need a bigger body IMO (which is why im SO against Worthy for this team..i don't dislike worthy, i dislike him for this team in it's current state) to win off the line and make contested catches. It's been a lot time since we've had a WR make contested catches regularly (outside of Diggs 2 years ago).
Don't get me wrong I agree
I want a big physical guy... Who has the skill set to dominate press man
If you give me two equal football players.. 100% the same skill set... And one is 5'11 195
And one is 6'3 223 ... Give me the big dude all day everyday and twice in Sundays
I want a guy who will come down with a tough catch
1 minute ago, Beck Water said:So got it from PFF basically?
That one was but for some reason it was marked 2023 season but it was from the 2022 season
So the numbers I used were from two seasons ago
I cannot find 2023 numbers... And unless I watch every snap to see how many times he was pressed and how he beat it... I can't give a real assessment other than he's always been good at beating press
So I doubt he just became horrible even if he regressed
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5 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
This is going in to Week 17 of last year... obv it's for fantasy stuff but they have his routes and catches last year... Please share your link.
Here's more to rebut your claim.
Well I just looked back at the article I used was for the 2022 season dated this year for some reason
So you are correct in that part.. I cannot find an entire 2023 data set
But diggs was also elite versus press for the majority of his career here... He also went on the injury report for a back injury last season and never look the same
The point stands that beating pressman is a skill set.. you can be 5'11 with the skill set and abuse it or 6 ft 3 with the skill set and abuse it
But if you're just 6 ft 3 220 lb with nothing else.. you're just James Hardie and you're not beating the press
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2 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
168 routes and 26 catches does not seem the best to me..........
PFF says 87 of his 107 catches were off of press man
90 grade .. 4th overall
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4 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
Where did you see the bolded?
We are agreeing on the italicized.. It is not about size. You have to move in a phone booth
There are a lot of advanced statistical sites
PFF did wide receiver success rate off of pressman coverage... Quarterback rating to... Average depth of release... Average depth of route
And diggs was top 7 2024... Actually finished 4th
Had over 80 of his hundred catches on press man... With a 90 grade
Now obviously grades are flexible... But you either beat man coverage or you can't separate... And by the advanced numbers he was still abusing it
He struggled actually catching the ball sometimes
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13 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
That is patently false.
Again, just because your big or just because you're quick does NOT mean you are better/ worse at getting off the line.
His sentiment was, smaller guys are harder to press at the line and it's just false. You named a few. Diggs could NOT get off the line last year. Lockett (plays slot a lot), AB, and Marvin Harrison are three of the best EVER at beating man coverage. So you pick some of the best ever as an average? Jefferson is 205 pounds... thats not a small dude IN ANY CAPACITY ...
His sentiment is false. You beat people off the line by being able to move in a phone booth very quickly and having leverage and strength..
Brother... you are comparing one of the best route runners ever to a blocking WR.....
Now do AB vs Julio....
We are not talking about generational players.. no generational player is easy to jam off the line. He compared AB to Gabe LOL....
If you are looking at the average WR, there is an OBVIOUS reason why small / quick guys play the slot.... its because *gasp* they have room to make a move off the line because they can't get jammed.
Why doesnt AJ Brown play in the slot? OHHH because he can beat man coverage off the ball.
Diggs was statistically in the top seven for all NFL wide receivers beating press last year
Had over an 85% success rate
He certainly did not get abused All season by press man
And yes my point was it is a skill set... Bigger guys with the skill set have an easier time of getting off the line of scrimmage but if they don't have that skill set it doesn't matter
While a small guy like Tyler lockett with the skill set abuses press man
Of course everybody wants AJ Brown on the outside
And I'm using Gabe Davis as an example because he just got 15 million dollars a year... And he is a starting wide receiver in the NFL currently
There are a lot more Gabe Davis type guys then Terrell Owens.... So your average big receiver is like Gabe Davis not AJ Brown... And he is not a top 15 guy beating press
I never once said Gabe Davis was anything spectacular... He's your typical big receiver... And Tyler lockett is much better being press than him
Tyler lockett is also good but nobody ever says he's a top 10 guy
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2 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said:
It depends. Let's say you're playing press coverage in a zone defense. Jamming a smaller, quick guy is easy if you can get your hands on him. You'll push him back and disrupt his route. But once he gets away, he's gone - unless of course you're also very quick. In any case, in zone you have backup.
And let's say you're a smallish DB going against a 6'4" receiver with good hands, a big catch radius, and speed. And he's a talented route-runner. He's going to be hard to defend in any defense.
I don't think you can say big receivers are either better or worse than small quick guys. It depends on the receiver, defender, and the defensive play-call.
It is always the athlete you're going up against...
I played college corner and have been across from every type of wide receiver... Obviously you're big strong fast athletic guy... Julio Jones, Eric moulds , Calvin Johnson , AJ Green are mismatches for anybody
That is the pure prototype built in a lab
But you're non freak big guy.. like Gabe Davis.. those types didn't give me much problem... Especially if you played with good technique
It was the diggs or Lee Evans types... AB types... Average sized.. but so quick and athletic while running the entire route tree... That you have to be safe and cannot really Gamble
Those are nightmares... I can't imagine shadowing prime Antonio Brown for 60 minutes... But on the flip nobody wants to do that to Randy Moss... Who there is no answer for
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6 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:
Ask any CB they’ll tell you. They want the big guys over the quick shifty guys.
Big guys that are quick and shifty are just rare, but yeah they would be the scariest.
I played college corner and yeah I generally would rather go up against a Gabe Davis type than a Antonio Brown
Obviously a big fast twitched athlete like Terrell Owens would give anybody hell... But it was always easy to get your hands on your typical big wr... Compared to Justin Jefferson... Who is average sized yet slick
Obviously you're Julio Jones and AJ Brown's are super rare types... And the toughest
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36 minutes ago, warrior9 said:
So Diggs was ABUSED at the line against the Chiefs..... known for his technique and route running. He's also 6 ft 1 and 200 pounds.. he's no twig.
Easiest guys to jam are little guy off the line.. Small quick guys work out of the slot and in motion for a reason.
Just because you're quick, doesn't mean you can move in a 1 yard box... . CB's line up within 1 yard of you if you're not off the ball or in the slot. If you're small, you're getting jammed before you move by longer arms, physical guys that punch you in the chest before you take a step. HORRIBLE take. Again, that's why small guys are used in motion and out of the slot......OFF the ball
So to your rationale, Julio Jones, Calvin Johnson, DK, AJ Brown, Mike Evans, are easy to jam? L ... O .... L
Actually some of the hardest guys to ever press were Marvin Harrison and Antonio Brown... Odell Beckham was very hard to press
Yet it's actually not hard to get your hands on Gabe Davis at the line of scrimmage
Every wide receiver has lost a press battle before... But diggs throughout his career... Had a bevy of release moves which made it really hard to get your hands on him at the line of scrimmage... Diggs is certainly not a big wide receiver.. average for NFL standards
There are a lot of release moves with a first backward step which actually won't let the defensive back get their hands on you and if they reach they will overextend and you can blow by them
Don't get me wrong big guys like terell Owens can get off the press... But there are a lot of modern receivers at 6 ft tall or 6'1 who destroy press
Like Justin Jefferson also
And I wouldn't consider those big receivers... If you're pushing 220 lb or close to basically 6'3 I consider you big
Davante Adams is not super tall.. 6'1 but he is pushing 220 so I would consider him big and he's obviously a freak off press
Cedee lamb is 6'2 but only 185... He's got good size but he isn't huge... And he destroys press also
Lockett destroys press and he isnt big...
Beating press man is more of a skill then something that comes down to purely height or weight... Is Cole Beasley too small to beat an outside press from Jalen Ramsey? Yes
Did diggs rip up Ramsey basically every single time he has tried pressing him? Yes and he's also just average NFL wr size
The top 10 of NFL wide receivers beating press last season is basically mixed between some big guys and some not big guys which shows it's more of a skill set
AJ Brown , Metcalf , Adams all guys I'd put squarely in big wide receivers
Then diggs , lockett , fuller and Jefferson... None 6'2 or over and none are huge
Those are 7 out of the top 10 on beating press last season ... Also kupp and Hopkins... Hopkins is pushing 220 but only 6'1.. so I'm inclined to add him to the big guys although he's really not huge
There are some big physical freaks.. and some precise technical wide receivers
But Tyler lockett is 5'11 and he abuses press man
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I certainly never said that...
And how much college ball do you watch? If you watch a lot and you honestly think they are comparable players I have a bridge to sell you in Brooklyn... Devonte is as smooth as they come... A bevy of release moves to defeat press with immaculate hands
Worthy struggles catching the football... Which is a major component of a wide receiver... Struggles to get off college press and cannot win contested catches
He has a lot to even become an average starter in the NFL