Buffalo716
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Hope you make the squad EJ!
Always class
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...with that size and speed, this kid could be a sleeper.....Meatball's success as a 5th rounder was our last sleeper....LOOOOOONG overdue.......
Nickell Robey UDFA
Stevie Johnson 7th
Fred Jackson UDFA
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Yes. I contacted EJ Manuel about playing in my semi pro league
He has yet to return my phone call
Damn. We really need a TE
(In all seriousness, good luck EJ, you're a class act)
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Dude I was talking to someone else and you jumped inI never said anything about starts.....no idea where you came up with that nonsense.
After the embarrassment in the second half of his revenge game against the Eagles in 2015.........McCoy came into the Washington game with his tail between his legs and was awful early in the game before tearing up his knee.
From that point on Karlos and MG produced big numbers and long TD runs on the ground and the team played much better.
Starts mean sh*t......McCoy was effectively the starter in both NE games....one of which you call a "start" for Karlos
.....McCoy played the whole game and got most of the snaps (including dropping a perfectly thrown pass in the end zone). 
The second Jets game in 2015 was an outlier against a great run defense that was also LOADING the box against the run after getting beaten by RB's in the first meeting(McCoy yardage and Karlos long TD pass).
In that previous game much attention was given to Sammy Watkins......who was limited to 3 catches for 14 yards by Revis. In the second game the added emphasis at the LOS allowed Tyrod and Watkins to have a field day against Revis.......11 for 136........at the time, a very rare thing to see.
Like I said......here is the deal with the Bills run offense.......without Tyrod keeping defensive fronts in contain mode......the Bills OL could not stop penetration from good DL/LB's. Penetration in the backfield is the death of both Shady and MG as runners........the reason for their UNBELIEVABLE ypc averages last year was the room they had PRIOR to contact. That's why the run game was utterly useless in the finale this year......MG and Shady were being tackled in the backfield because nobody respected EJ Manuel......Shady suffered a knee injury and had to leave the game.
They all benefit from playing together.....but these backs need Tyrod to produce so far above their actual level MORE than he needs them. The relative interchangeability of the RB's backs this up.
He asked me about Karlos's starts from 2015 and how we couldn't run against Pitt or Jets the last game in 2015
And that's a fact that we couldn't
And you used my point.. a super stacked box.. I said throwing would open it up
FYI NFL.com lists the pats game as a start for Karlos hence why I used it
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Karlos DID NOT average 5.5 in 3 startsMatt Cassell also "started' the opener in 2015.
McCoy got most of the snaps in both 2015 NE games........so you have no point there........are you confusing seasons for fuxake?
In that Giants game he was severely concussed but kept playing.........he missed a MONTH of the season due to it.
That was the excuse used all season to "prove" Karlos was only a complementary back.
Like I said.......he and MG went off after McCoy got carted off........but they were already doing it.
He only played here for 1 year.. he had 3 starts. Never tore it up in any of the 3
That's my point from 2015
Gillislees been mostly very steady
Gillislee tore up Dallas 9-93 in his start in 2015
But the next week was 24-28 against the Jets
He was great last year tho
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Karlos Williams was 18 for 40 2.2 against giantsAS I TOLD YOU.......that wasn't the case.......Karlos and MG each AVERAGED 5.5 ypc in his absence in those 3 games at the end of 2015.....a full yard+ more than Shady that year........and the same as they had when he was healthy.
And they scored a bunch of TD's and of course had a bunch of long runs....you don't average 5.5-6 ypc without big plays.
And they also greatly outscored Washington after that point........and won the other two games.
An argument certainly can be made that they were better off without him at the end of 2015......the rushing totals were higher than normal without him.
Shady played MUCH better in 2016........but he just shouldn't have been on the field in Miami.
MG was running well and should have gotten all the carries that day rather than giving it to Shady 8 times for 11 yards.
But Miami controlled the clock/shortened the game so it wasn't going to be a 30 carry day..........then the following week the Bills were getting blown out by NE, which had nothing to do with Shady being present or not.......you don't run much when you are way behind.
6 for 11 vs New England
And 6-24 against the Jets
That's his 3 starts
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It doenst disprove anything I saidI agree with the lack of big hits........as I said it's more the leg injuries that concern me.
It's not about whether Gillislee is BETTER than McCoy.......I never said that...... that's you being thin skinned about your take being disproven statistically........ it's just simply not true that the run game couldn't function at the same level(or better in 2015) without him.......that idea is just something made up by a group of people who are a bit too caught up in the celebrity adoration to be honest about it.
The Bills run offense was facilitated by Tyrod Taylor.........his presence kept defensive fronts at the LOS, a spy off of it and at least one safety FAR away from it......which allowed the Bills OL to get into slower developing blocks in Roman's system......which in turn allowed the Bills RB's the most yardage PRIOR to contact in the NFL. From there, Shady and MG were able to "get in space" and "get downhill" respectively.
If they can keep MG all the key players in the the run game are back......they seem to have a better FB........but the aspect that is unknown is whether this OL will do well as a zone blocking unit.
Generally, the Shanny/Kubiak/Dennison offense has emphasized more athletic, quicker OL and this Bills unit it not really that. Their level of play jumped dramatically switching from a "zone" type blocking scheme that Marrone preferred so there is some cause for concern that it may revert.
But on the plus side.......all the pieces appear to be coming back and perhaps Dennison will incorporate a bit of the pin and pull action this unit did so well.......wouldn't be that hard.
I never said our run game disappeared when shady went down
It became less effective
Chunk runs boost YPC... There was A WHOLE LOT of 3 yards and a cloud of dust when shady went down 2 years ago
And last year , we refused to run when he went down and Gillislee only got 10-14 touches.. he should look fantastic on that amount of carries, he's fresh
Gillislee also doesn't get gameplanned for the same way shady is
I really really like him a LOT but I dont even think someone will pick up his tender
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Shady has not taken too many big hits in his careerI don't see 1300-1400 yards........that's back to around 300 carries and not realistic.
He injured his hamstring in camp of 2015 and re-injured it in season that year and the same one AGAIN last season........at this point they need to keep him fresh and hope for the best.
As for 12 TD's........perhaps but last year was likely the greatest season in terms of production per play in the run game that they will ever have......it will be HARD to top having a back lead the league in ypc AND also have Lesean McCoy putting up big #'s.
And keep in mind also.......running backs don't just get a tick worse each year.......their production drops fast and he's high mileage and he entered the league young so at 29 he's been carrying the ball a lot for a very long time.......it happens to the best of em'.
Now as for the notion that the running game was bad without him.......that's totally incorrect.
In the 10 quarters after McCoy tore his MCL in the first half versus Washington in 2015.....Karlos and MG still averaged THEIR regular 5.5 ypc and scored a ton of TD's........FAR more productive than Shady had been that year.
And in the two games where Shady was "hamstrung" in 2016(@Miami & vs. NE) Gillislee ran for over 6 ypc..........the running game without Shady was by no means lessened.......in fact, his trying to play in that Miami game did a lot more harm than good.
He EASILY has 2-4 solid years
And I like Gillislee but you're crazy if you think he's better than shady
Him and Karlos BOTH IMMENSELY BENEFITED playing behind him
Gillislee isn't a 5.5 ypc back as the lead horse for 16 games
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...."HOF er" remains to be seen bud.....certainly is productive but nearing the proverbial "RB age 30 cliff"....two things still perplex me despite the clown of clowns being gone...hope you can help with your insight...
1. Why did Wrecks proclamate "we will be a run first team"? Why the hell would you PUBLICLY telegraph your offense? I'm lookin' for when a mediocre HC like Belichick (COUGH) ever did that.
2. How can you be a "run first team" with only ONE stallion in the stable? I am in no way, shape or form disrespecting Mike G. At the same time, how or WHERE was the running game when Shady was out?
...entering year 55 of following this club, I sure as hell hope we don't repeat that "era of yapping stupidity"....transplanting the stench of Jets East to the shores of Lake Erie to be known as "Jets West" is probably one of the lowest debacles in those 55 years...me thinks McCoach will get it right...it will take time, but my (LARGE) gut tells me the kid has "IT"....stay tuned..........
I would say everybody knows we were going to run the ball but for RR to telegraph it was complete stupidity
As for why the running game went down when shady did
I would say it is as much on TT as it is on Gillislee... A young runner running with 9 in the box is tough
TT needed to open the box more with his arm
I think we draft another 1 this year as well
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Oh, he looked fantastic! No doubt about that! (I didn't realize he dropped that much weight.)
He said he went back to his SR year at PITT/ rookie year weight
He looked phenomenally fast
And I'm sure he stretches daily
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He cut 10-15 LBs last year and look how much fresher and explosive he lookedI do hope Shady is on the floor at this moment as part of his daily hamstring stretching routine! Gillislee was nice to have around.
Have to keep gillislee tho
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seeing he has played 15 or more 6 out of 8 seasons I dont know what your drinking slammerHe is not durable enough to play more then 10 games
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Our zone run team will be clicking like a clock thanks to 1 person in particular
Mr. Shady McCoy
The best player on our team and IMO a certified HoF once he hangs up his cleats (1,046 yards from 10,000)
He is the diesel fuel that makes our engine run
And he is PERFECT for a Shannahanesque zone run system
I easily see another 1,300-1400 yard campaign with another 12+ TDs
His vision and ability to make defender's miss is top notch and I don't see him slowing down any time soon barring injury
Can't believe we traded for a back like shady
A HoF IMO
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I have experience at safety at can still run in the 4.4s
I don't even need to be payed
Just recoup me my season ticket $$$ from all these years
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http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/192439-the-rick-dennison-offense/?view=findpost&p=4272742I was listening to Sirius and Gil Brandt said "Can you imagine Taylor in a Rick Dennison offense? With the bootlegs and waggles." He and his co host were pretty excited and feel like Tyrod is going to have a big year. I am excited about this and if anyone can break down what Dennison does a little, it would be appreciated.
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This was a sad morning as a bills fan
Today, the Bills lost 3 of my favorite players from the drought
Stephon Gilmore, Bob Woods and Aaron Williams
Aaron God Bless man and I hope you stay in good health for the rest of your life, just hang um up and call it quits man, you earned it
Stephon Gilmore who has been a scapegoat of the Bills for years.. all he did was practice everyday, keep his mouth shut, and play... Was he the best? No... But we are gonna miss his talents and it's a double whammy he's in new england
And Bob Woods. The consummate professional.. His crafty route running, sure hands and physical blocking as been an intregal part of our team for years.. he never asked for the ball, or complained he didn't get it.. he just busted his ass for years and I might miss him the most
I hope we have a plan in place because we are gonna miss these guy's, and so am I
Good luck guys... Besides Gilmore... I can't even wish him luck in NE
....c'mon Big Dawg, ease up and remove the noose.....Aaron needs to retire...health and life are FAR more important than a stupid game...one hit away from Stingley.....and now there is stupid money abound.....Woods got $8 mil/yr from Rams....Alshon got $14 mil from Eagles for one year....Gilmore to the Patsies at $14 mil?......well beyond OBD...
Thanks bud
I'm easing up
And I completely agree about Aaron
I wish he would have just retired instead of being cut
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All he wants to do is smoke his broccoli
I bet he bumps that
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I love me some Karlos
Always on top of his medicinal game..
Top shelf kinda guy
Ain't no Bobby Brown for Karlos!
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I don't think we do either, but I could see us trying to create mismatches and exploit it with Howard (big target open even when covered) and Sammy. If we can pull off a capable WR2 in FA/2nd round could be pretty damn nice....
Plus I am trying to think a little outside the box as opposed to Davis/Williams
The best TE prospect I've seen in a very long time!
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I don't know if we need a TE with our 1ST pick but I absolutely LOVE OJ HowardPersonally I would love Adams or Hooker, but both will be gone. I'm saying OJ Howard is ours @ 10. 2nd pick will be QB or Zay Jones
He is an absolute stud and so complete
I don't think he is a horrible prospect by any meansThat's why the draft is fun. One of us will be dead wrong. I am all in on Mahomes.
But that's exactly what he is , a developmental prospect
He is definitely athletic with a howlitzer attached to his shoulder
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But he has feet like a ballerina. Text book lower body mechanicsPhilip Rivers does not have text book mechanics. That was the point. You made up the rest.
Mahomes has horrible lower body mechanics
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As Mahomes begins to act on his decision to throw, he brings his front shoulder around to his target, then violently swings his hips/torso as he brings his arm up to throw. It does not look conventional, but it’s perfectly functional and it works for Mahomes.[/size]
http://www.qbmecca.com/differentiating-poor-mechanics-versus-inconsistent-mechanics/
Phillip Rivers who you compared his throwing motion too earlier was a top 10 lock
He DID A BUNCH OF THINGS GREAT
Mahomes is a 2nd round propsect with a little attention garnered in the late 1ST
Their careers and play styles are nothing alike
There is not one scout who thinks mahomes has good mechanics consistently
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No mechanics are in two levels...The system downgrades were done on Dak Prescott and Derek Carr as well. Scout the traits. And his mechanics are not bad. Bad mechanics are when you cannot throw the ball where you want it. Philip Rivers had terrible mechanics from the textbook but he was very accurate. It's the same with Mahomes.
Shoulder and up
And below the waist
He has some of the worst footwork in years for a QB prospect
FYI Phillip Rivers had feet like ballerina
Mechanics have EVERYTHING to do with CONSISTENCY
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For everybody here arguing about Mr Mahomes, I am going to break it down in one question
WHO is the better overall propsect?
Jared Goff OR Pat Mahomes??
I don't think it's close and look at the learning curve Goff is facing
Air Raid + bad mechanics= minimum 3-5 year project
Sleeper WR on the roster
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And it's not Dez Lewis who disappears every year when the pads come on
It is our redshirt rookie speedster Kolby Listenbee out of TCU
He has already boasted that he is THE FASTEST PLAYER in the NFL
And ran a 4.39 40 with A DOUBLE SPORTS HERNIA
He is a natural hands catcher of the football, and is good at tracking the deep ball
He has good size 6' 190 LBs with room to grow
And his route running improved substantially over his time at TCU
This kid has GAS speed and would have been a 4th round pick if not for his surgery
With TT's deep ball and a threat like Sammy on the outside...
I can see the bills taking advantage of 1 on 1 situations on the outside with Listenbee when the situation presents itself
This kid can be a weapon
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://m.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZD-vX71On44&ved=0ahUKEwizx4HI5eDSAhWC5oMKHcbICvgQt9IBCGwwFA&usg=AFQjCNH7Bl89yCtxm48M5acKWf4V5AD5aw