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Saffold was just plain garbage. The rest of our line wasn't much better. Our WRs couldn't catch. Allen isn't perfect, but man does he mask a lot of those issues. This team will be better this season if our line just gives Allen a little more time and our WRs don't drop easy balls.

So, with the entirety of the contract (including this year), his value comes in as the 16th highest DT in the league. With 32 teams in the NFL, he's getting upper/midtier money for a #1 DT. While he's not a top 10 DT or anything like that, he is a solid player and does have games every year that he seems to just take over. That said, there are other games you don't know that he's playing in. Like so many guys on our team, it is about him finding consistency. He has to find a way to have those dominant games on a more regular basis. But the fact is, he was going to be a FA at the end of the season and this is what happens in the NFL when contracts come up......lesser guys make more money than it seems they should and then they get passed by from other contracts and other players. The cap is skyrocketing and agents know this. The money is going to get bigger and bigger at every position and even guys that you don't think should get paid will GET PAID. It was Oliver's turn and good for him and his family. Hopefully he balls out and becomes the player we hope he will because if he does, the contract won't look nearly that bad. But yes, that's the gamble that Beane took here. Just have to hope it pays off.

I have only watched a couple of games on him to this point. Now that he's a Bill, I'll watch more. But from what I've seen to this point in my evaluation is that him not going until the 5th round was not a product of dropping balls, not being fast enough, or not being tough enough, etc. His issue is in his hips and the fact that he seems to be wound real tight which is not uncommon for guys that look like him. The things he struggles with the most are working in short areas and not being able to get out of his breaks quick enough. With his height, coupled with the fact that he is a bit stiffer in the hips, makes it so he can't (at least to this point) snap off his routes and he has a tendency to round them off. So, what separation he does create at the top of his routes gets eaten up by CBs sometimes because they have that extra half second or so to recover when he comes out of his breaks because he needs an extra step or 2 that the elite ones don't need to take. This shows up in his 3 cone and short shuttle results from his workout as well. Now, can this be fixed? Sure....to some extent. You can't change his height, but you can can work on flexibility and, in turn, help improve route running at the same time. Getting him in the building and having NFL trainers that are paid to work with players on this kind of stuff specifically can help maybe loosen him up a bit. Couple that with NFL coaches that will be coaching him up on every little detail of every route should help as well. Many times in college, while there are coaches there to help, they don't focus on every single detail and these physical freak athletes can just get by with their God-given ability. In the NFL, every detail matters and they will drill him on it relentlessly. By all accounts, the kid is an extremely hard worker. I mean, let's face it, you don't get to look like that if your not a hard worker and extremely motivated and disciplined. The staff will push him for sure and work to correct these issues. Make no mistake about it, though....this isn't the easiest thing to fix for a lot of reasons. But, it can be done. DK had similar issues when coming out. It was one of the reasons he dropped. But he was much faster than Shorter and therefore he didn't drop as far. But his route running in the NFL has improved over time. It's not perfect and he still gets by on physical talent, but he's much better than where he was coming out. There's reason for optimism. But it isn't going to be easy for him. We'll see what happens. Can't wait to get more into more tape this week.

I haven't watched too many games on him yet, but from what I saw in the couple I did watch, and from gathering other opinions as well, it seems as though there were a lot of plays left on the field for this guy because of bad QB play or a breakdown in other areas at times. Will have to watch more, but those are some impressions I have already taken away. Can't wait to do a little more work on him.

Again.....only Edmunds different in the LB corps. Same d line coming back with the younger guys having another year of experience and a couple of them playing in contract years which should lead to them providing their max effort. I don't see any difference from what we have had on the field the last couple years except for Edmunds.

Outside of losing Edmunds, I'm not sure how you think the defense will be any worse than last year. In fact, with Tre coming back at 100% (hopefully), Elam taking the next step after closing the year strong, Hyde coming back, Poyer no longer being held together by duct tape, and Von getting back early in the season, it sounds to me like the defense shouldn't see much of a drop off in talent. If they can figure out MLB, they could even be better with guys coming back healthy. Throw in the fact with Frazier gone that we should hopefully see less soft coverage and more of an aggressive style of defense, I don't think the defense will be a disaster at all. The fact is, defense doesn't matter as much in this league as it used to. Look at the Super Bowl. The Eagles set records for sacks and had one of the statistically best defenses in the league last year and they got boat raced in the Super Bowl and never even touched Mahomes. Offenses are getting too good and if you want to win big in this league, you have to outscore people. No matter how good your defense is, in the big games, you will have to probably put up 30-35 points to have a chance at winning no matter how good your defense is. It's just super hard to play defense against the best teams in the league. Yes, you can win a lot of games in this league with a good defense because there aren't a ton of explosive offenses yet, but the league is heading that way and you can see it. But just because you can stop average offenses, doesn't mean much when you go up against the elite ones.

Dan Fetes @danfetes · 9m “I could play tomorrow I’ve been working so hard.” - Justin Shorter

Jonah Bronstein @lebronstein · 5m #Bills 5th-round draft pick Justin Shorter was the No. 1-rated WR in the 2018 recruiting class, ahead of Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jaylen Waddle & Ja’Marr Chase There's obviously talent there but he hasn't lived up to expectations for whatever reason. Up to the Bills to pull it out of him.

Jonah Bronstein @lebronstein · 5m #Bills 5th-round draft pick Justin Shorter was the No. 1-rated WR in the 2018 recruiting class, ahead of Amon-Ra St. Brown, Jaylen Waddle & Ja’Marr Chase There's obviously talent there but he hasn't lived up to expectations for whatever reason. Up to the Bills to pull it out of him.

This seems like the Terrel Bernard all over again. Basically the same player. Not sure about this one.

He hasn't allowed a sack in his entire college career...... Obviously it hasn't been that easy to just "run or stunt around him". He's going to get beat in the pros. Even the best lineman do. But don't pretend he's just getting beat like a drum regularly.

Cody Ford had slow and terrible feet. Should have never been drafted. This guy is miles better on tape.

The front office was obviously just as annoyed as we were watching defenders fly by Saffold and Bates in 2-3 steps and making them look like turnstiles consistently last season. They are finally investing in the O-Line with young and hungry players instead of aging discounted vets that are passed their prime. A little worried about his size limiting his movement, but our strength and conditioning staff should be able to help him there. Excited to have a huge mauler on the line again, though.

Protect Allen at all costs......

Got a guy we were talking about at 27

There are going to be a few good players at our pick. May consider a trade down if the right offer is there.

Ugghh....the Dolphins got a good one there.

I know.....just pointing out how annoying it is not to announce these picks in real time.

Miami is on the clock and they haven't announced the Steelers pick yet.....

Steelers just took one of the guys I wanted....

They are like 2 or 3 picks behind on the tv....

Bryan Bresee is gone already. That said, this is a Bills specific board. There are other really good players still out there that haven't been drafted yet. The Bills are going to have a chance at a great player tonight in the 2nd. I'd be thrilled with Benton, Bergeron, Sanders, among others. Like I said, there are more really good players still on the board that aren't listed here that I would be happy to have as well, although many of them will be gone by the time we pick. But I'm excited to see what's there. Wish we had more ammo to move up if we wanted to, but we should still have some solid choices at 59. Ideally, 5-6 of these guys will be there and we can move down a bit to maybe add a 5th to try and make up for that 4th we spent yesterday and still get a guy, but I would have no problem sticking and picking because there will be some solid players available.

Just wait until tonight and tomorrow when they are like 5 picks behind on TV. I don't think anyone would have a problem with not tipping picks if they announced them immediately after they are turned in. The problem is that the NFL and the broadcasts have decided for some reason to wait several minutes after picks are made to let viewers know what they are. Some people want to actually keep up with the draft in real time and not broadcast time and I don't see anything wrong with that. If the picks are made, they are made. They aren't going to change. So, let's have them when they are made. This is a big issue every year because of the lazy approach TV has announcing the picks. And it's only going to get worse this weekend when the time in between picks is shorter. There will be times 5-7 picks get made before they are announced on TV. I can't believe some think this is OK.

I'm willing to bet that most everyone that is complaining about the pick probably hasn't watched a single snap Kincaid has played in his career and are just down on the pick because of the position he's listed at. And I get that, especially for those that were so locked in at WR being the pick no matter what. But I encourage those people to take a step back and actually put the time in to watch some tape of the guy......not necessarily just highlight reels (although they are a fun watch), but actual full games. He's a match-up nightmare. Some of his most impactful plays are the plays he doesn't even get the ball. He opens up things for other guys. While he's not the best blocker, he's functional at it. He's willing, but needs to add a bit of strength and refine his technique a bit. But being willing to do it is half the battle. What really stands out, again whether he gets the ball or not, is his route running and hands. Look, I am not comparing him to Kelce just yet, but you know how frustrating it is to watch Kelce play in and play out seem to be wide open all the time? Kincaid always seems to be open as well and offers much of that same frustration for opponents. He has great hands and can hurt you at every level of the field. He'll snap off the curl routes. He'll run the option routes. He'll catch the ball off motion in the backfield. Need someone to run the seam? He'll do that too. A lot of the success he has this year will come down to how creative Dorsey can get with him. Granted, I'm nervous that Dorsey might be in over his head a bit and may not have the required creativity, but we have to hope he can figure it out. If I'm Dorsey, I'm running Chiefs tape constantly and transferring their usage of Kelce straight to our playbook. Again, I am not saying he's Kelce, but we can hope for "Kelce light" and do a lot of similar things with him. It will take some time. TE is usually one of those positions that takes a while to translate to the NFL, but this guy plays smart and being that they won't be using him much inline and almost exclusively as a pass catcher should shorten the learning curve early on. So, those of you that are upset.....take a breath. Find some All-22 tape on him and actually watch him play. I think you'll relax a bit. Finally.....just a quick add to this. I have always been a firm believer that an easy way to have success in the NFL is to make sure you do something that nobody else is doing. That way, when teams play you, they have to prepare for something that they don't see all the time and it may force them to do things on defense they don't normally do. There aren't a lot of teams out there right now that can run 12 personnel with sustained success because they just don't have the weapons to do it. Kincaid immediately comes in and becomes one of the best route running and catching TEs in the league. While his overall game may take some time to translate, there will be packages we will be able to run in 12 with Knox that will create real difficult match-ups for defenses that they will have to adapt to in-game even though he won't be playing a majority of snaps. That in itself will hopefully give us somewhat of an advantage this year, and even more of an advantage as he learns the NFL game over the next few years.

The dude is a weapon. While his blocking leaves the something to be desired, but he could be "Kelce light" with his route running. Might be the best overall pass catcher in the draft regardless of position. If he can translate his game to the NFL quickly, he will make plays for us and fill in the missing slot position we don't have. Blocking can be taught if he's willing to learn. May not be a WR by trade, but he is a weapon on offense and I'm all for that.