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That's Allen doing Allen things. Perfect opening drive. Need to see more under center with more play action late in the drive. Dorsey seems to get away from that too fast. But overall, that is what you want to see in a drive. Methodical with everyone contributing.

I get both sides here. I go for it because even if you don't get it, you make them go the length of the field. Kick and you go up by 2 tds.

QB sneak.....no need to get fancy. Grab the tush and push!!!

It was a throw away.....

That is the Allen I want to see game in and game out. Sure.....would I like him to avoid taking those hits? Of course. But it's just who he is and I am not sure that will ever change. But the rest of it was exactly what I've been asking him to do. Defenses want to play him deep? Fine......I want Allen taking the free stuff all day. Notice as soon as he was 9-9, 10-10, 11-11, etc, the Raiders started getting antsy themselves. They jumped early and Allen killed them down the field on a free play. Then, a couple plays later, he got Diggs 1 on 1 down the field and drew a flag. And not only that, it is opening holed in the run game and a bunch of guys are contributing because he's spreading the ball around. I still think Kincaid has to be more involved, but that will come. Getting Allen under center and utilizing play action is huge as well. He's so much more efficient. Hoping to see a repeat of the first half in the second. Just because we're up, I don't want to see him starting to push the ball. You're on pace for 300+ yards of total offense and 4 TDs doing what you did in the first half. As long as Allen realizes he doesn't need to do more than that, he will be fine. Keep on keepin' on in the 2nd half here and watch where you end up.

Wow......what a throw....

Too cute..... Just need to pound it there. That was on Dorsey. Went all the way down the field with Allen under center and using play action. Get to the redzone and 100% gun. Not ideal play calling there although Diggs was open for a TD in the back of the endzone.

Allen under center and using play actions is a welcome sight. This is the offense we expected to see.

Shakir with a nice block on the return.

This defensive line is coming on....... Can't wait to have Miller join Groot, Floyd, and Oliver on passing downs.

Poyer is shot..... I think we're going to see a brand new safety tandem next year. They just can't run anymore.

That is the exact drive Allen needed to have. Took everything underneath that was there and systematically moved the chains. Defenses want to play us deep? Fine. If Allen continues to do what he just did on that drive, eventually defenses will be forced to come down and play a bit tighter and that's when he can take the shot. He did it with Davis on the free play as he should have and then took the shot to Diggs when he had the chance and got the flag. He continues to do that, he will become insanely tough to defend. Unfortunately, we can't cover Adams and get the ball back to him to continue the lesson we hope he's learning.

Allen being patient and taking the gimmies. Let's see if he can do it all the way down the field.

Didn't matter because the ball was batted down, but Oliver was literally tackled on that play in the backfield with no call.

Not his fault he's not being used down the field like he should be.

I don't think a lack of work ethic is the problem. It's technique. He's plenty motivated and competitive. But until he gets his hands under control, he won't play.

Not the best game to judge him on because of the offense we ended up having to play. I will say this.....Rodgers was in for 4 plays, but if he was in longer, I think we would have sacked him a ton. He can't move much anymore and our line would have been after him all night. Not saying he wouldn't have made the Jets offense better. We'll never know. But the way the game started and the way our line was playing, I wasn't overly worried about what the Jets were doing. More concerned about the way our offense played.

Until we prove that we can get out of our own way, I am going to have a tough time taking us to win by double digits. I think we will win, but I am not sure we find a way to cover that.

What Allen has to realize is that the minute he learns how to be patient and take the free cheese underneath every time, it will be the moment he will become unstoppable. Right now, teams are sitting back daring him to take wide open 6 yard gains all the way down the field. They know he will become impatient and throw one that they will have a chance at. They just don't believe he will be patient enough to take 12 plays to score a TD. But, if Allen figures it out, and he does take these short throws regularly, teams will be forced to come up to defend those and all of a sudden, the deeper shots will be there. Allen wants it all. And he can have it all. But he needs to prove it to other teams that he will do what it takes to earn it.

This was one of the plays I mentioned in my breakdown in another thread. What this comes down to for me is it's a poor decision based on down and distance and game situation. In a vacuum, you can see what Allen is looking at and see that the read he is making to Davis isn't the worst decision he made last night. He's made this throw countless times in the past. But, where I have the problem is the decision based on game situation. Moving the chains should take priority over anything else when lining up for this play. Allen's first read should be Kincaid, and when he sees him running open, the ball needs to get to him immediately. Yes, Davis should be in his progression and may even be his secondary read from low to high. Allen chose on this play, and several others in this game, to bypass the easy completion in hopes of hitting something deeper. He needs to know the situation and realize moving the chains is the most important thing on this play. So, when lining up, he should be thinking that if Kincaid is open, hit him right away. If he's not, he has to know Diggs is coming into his line of sight on a shallow cross and could also pick up the first down easily. Know the point of the play. You want to try this throw to Davis at another point in the game? Sure....I get it. It's not the worst read in the world and does make sense in a lot of cases. Just not when you need a couple yards to move the chains. Davis could have been a lot better on this route, though. If you insist on going to Davis here, though, ball placement needs to be better. It needs to be thrown to the outside right on the boundary. Don't leave the defense a chance to make a play on the ball. Again, you see what he sees and can almost understand why he would make the choice he did. But the level of difficulty on that throw is much higher than taking that free cheese to Kincaid who would have picked up the first down easily. This is about Allen understanding game situations and what the goal of the play should be before even taking the snap.

I think it is probably a combination of things, but if I had to guess, I think it is mostly due to the fact that Allen is just an aggressive QB by nature. Why take 4 or 5 plays to get 30 yards when you can do it in 1? He has the arm to make every throw on the field and that is why he constantly waiting until the last second to throw the ball because he is hoping someone opens up down the field. When they don't. he's stuck and gets himself into trouble. Sometimes those first or second reads are timing throws on crossers or hitches. If Allen gets impatient and wants something bigger, by the time he waits out the longer routes, the shorter ones are taken away. It's tough for him to find balance, but when he's at his best, that's what he does. Allen has to realize that the big play will open up when he punishes teams underneath. Right now, teams know he is not patient enough to take the easy 7-10 yards all the way down the field on a regular basis. They will continue to play a soft 2 high shell knowing that Allen will get bored and force one down the field that they will have a chance at. At this point, the only solution I see is for the coaching staff to get in Allen's face and force him to take every underneath throw he sees and forget anything down the field until he forces teams to respect the fact that he will take the free cheese as long as they give it to him. He does that for a while, and the big play will open back up. Over the offseason I made it a priority to go back and watch the first half of last season when he was playing like the best player on the planet. It was astonishing how different those games looked than what we are seeing now. In the first half of last season, Allen was constantly taking the correct checkdowns and moved the ball down the field almost every drive. Then, when teams started to creep up, he'd hit them over the top. The offense was beautiful to watch for the most part. But, somewhere along the way, he started to press the ball down the field more and more and ignoring the underneath stuff that was open. Unfortunately, that has carried into this year. I mean, early in the game, the short game was clicking and we were moving the ball. Then, by the time the 2nd half rolled around, he was always looking downfield first and it just stalled the offense. It's on Josh to figure out that if he wants the big plays to happen, he has to start small underneath and force teams out of that 2 high coverage first.

I mean, I can't blame him for feeling like he was going to get hit every play. The pressure was getting to him so fast most of the time, he expected it even if the pocket was clean. That happens to a lot of QBs, but the great ones should not panic under pressure. He was bad last night and didn't know where he was supposed to go with the ball on several occasions. It was a terrible outing for him.

The thing is, he can't make the decisions for Allen. There were several plays that Allen made the decision to push the ball down the field when it wasn't the right decision to make. There was one play I saw, maybe on the INT he tried to force to Davis, his primary read should have been to Kincaid over the middle of the field. He was open on a stick route. Not only that, Diggs was wide open on a crosser. But, in the end, Allen ignored both of them and pushed the ball into harms way. Dorsey deserves blame for the overall gameplan for sure, but he can't make the decisions for Allen.

I have no idea what happened on the sideline or if anyone said anything to Allen. Allen knows, but he tends to put so much on his shoulders that things snowball when they go wrong. That was one thing Daboll was able to do when he was here. If Allen was off or making terrible decisions, he had no problem getting in his face about that. I don't know if anyone did that last night, but it surely didn't feel like anyone was trying to reign him in. Sometimes you have to protect the player from himself. That is on the coaches.

It wasn't an easy watch and not much got better going back through it. But when you watch the game back, and some plays over and over while knowing the result, you tend to see more of what is going on in other parts of the field that could have made that play more successful. And you see how someone doing something wrong on another part of the field puts other players in such a difficult spot and they have to eat the blame for it. There was a lot of bad in the game, but it wasn't all by the players in the spotlight on certain plays.