GunnerBill

Ha no he was on Sky's NFL coverage. EDIT: and sadly the BBC doesn't have F1 anymore.

True perfection has to be imperfect muppy. I know that that sounds foolish but it's true.

I've been quite calm all week. I have been nervous as hell today.

With respect I think you are conflating two things. We need to separate whether it was clearly objectively not roughing the passer from whether the ref's subsequent explanation of why he threw the flag after the game was predicated on an objective falsehood. I'm all for replay assist getting involved in facemask calls and I believe I have seen that happen this year where a flag is thrown for a facemask and they have picked it up and said "after involvement of replay assist there is no penalty." Last night was NOT a facemask call. It was roughing the passer. That is what they called. Now I know the ref said after the game he called it because he "had forcible contact to the facemask." When you see the replay slowed down from a couple of angles it is clear that you don't have such contact and most of the forcible contact is to the shoulder. However, that does not mean that the roughing the passer call was objectively wrong. The actual text of the rule says that: Roughing will be called if, in the Referee’s judgment, a pass rusher clearly should have known that the ball had already left the passer’s hand before contact was made. That is pretty clear that the call is at the discretion of the referee and it give him pretty wide discretion. Further in giving example of things a referee can look for in deciding whether to call roughing the passer it states: (1) forcibly hitting the passer’s head or neck area with the helmet or facemask, even if the initial contact of the defender’s helmet or facemask is lower than the passer’s neck, and regardless of whether the defensive player also uses his arms to tackle the passer by encircling or grasping him; or (2) lowering the head and making forcible contact with any part of the helmet against any part of the passer’s body. While in this case we clearly didn't have element #1 there is a slight dipping of the head from Anderson and then there is forcible contact with a part of the helment against Mahomes's shoulder. So even in a world where we had no challenges but replay assist could buzz down and overrule a ref's call on any single play, I'm not sure it would have got involved there. It was a subjective, judgment call on roughing the passer. The reason the ref though it was in the end was flawed, but I'm not sure an official watching replay assist would look at the play and say definitively than an objective mistake had been made to call roughing.

McDermott is SOLD. Does he have a notebook?

I wasn't high on Elam either. I though there were 8 corners that year with day 1 or day 2 grades and I had Elam ranked 7th of 8. Revel would make sense but I don't know if this regime has ever taken a guy coming off a serious injury like an ACL. Revel got hurt in October I think. The chances of him full go for camp are slim.

The point is not whether it is a challenge or not a challenge. The point is whether it is a foul or not a foul and those subjective calls are never going to be perfect whether you have 10 refs or two. The best thing they could do IMO is really simplify the rule book.

And if Quarterbacks can play at a decent level to 38 to 40. There are only about 8 or 9 guys max I'd take ahead of him. He didn't play well last night but as you say he took a huge hit. Upgrading Goff is darn difficult.

He lines up illegally on almost every play.

Yea the refs were adament that they had warned him. I am not sure Reid is being honest

The reason it isn't normally a flag is because the refs warn the coach, warn the player and only then do they call a flag. Reid and Toney were both warned. It was a penalty. 100% correct flag.

Interestingly the one McDermott run draft - 2017 - the Bills made six picks. All six: White, Jones, Dawkins, Milano, Peterman, Vallejo; were seniors. And that White, Dawkins, Milano class is one of the best drafts in Bills history. They all played as rookies and by their 2nd year were mainstays of the team.

A switch back to the "at least 30 starts" rule of Parcells!

I think Cook only has one year left. He was the same draft as James Cook. I remember 'cos in the embedded when Beane tells the admin guys to "get Cook on the phone" they ask "which one?" and Beane has to confirm "James". But the Chiefs had actually taken Bryan anyway in the few picks after we'd made the 2nd trade back.

What it might do is change the general bias there has been against older "maxed out" QBs in recent years for toolsy prospect types.

He can play both spots I think. I liked him more long term as a SS which is Reid's spot. But he can be a FS too.

Yea I liked Hicks a lot. I had him slightly above Bishop as my S3.

Ben Johnson is wholly responsible for the playcalling. His Head Coach gives him carte blanche and maybe could have tried to dial him back but I think you go with what got you there to an extent.

It is certainly possible in this class. It depends a lot I think on what teams make of Mykel Williams and Shermar Stewart. They are definitiely more all around ends but they don't have anything like the pass rush upside Green has. I still think he ends up final 3rd of round 1 or early round 2. But I wouldn't be shocked if you were right and he goes top 20.

The trick play was unnecessary there but I think getting away from Gibbs was the bigger failure.

Fidgiting on my sofa!

@gonzo1105 and I were talking last weekend about Mike Green out of Marshall who is starting to get some buzz. I had a high 2nd on him indicatively from my first tape review but that is almost certain to be in my top 32 grades (this is a 15/16 true first rounders type of class) and I have done a couple of mock simulators this weekend where he ends up going right in and around the Bills pick - from like #24 to #38. If that ends up his range he is very interesting. His all round game needs some work but as a pure pass rusher? He is dynamite.

Haha definitely not a player I was even aware existed. I didn't realise until the article the other day the Chiefs invited him to rookie camp tryouts the week before we did but ultimately passed on offering him a deal so it was obviously more than just the hometown kid done good. Others had some minor levels of interest (though rookie camp tryout is pretty low down the totem pole).

Here is some hopefully interesting reading while folks wait nervously for tonight..... one of the things people say to you when you attempt to grade draft prospects is "bet you never tell us about the ones you miss on." I always try and make sure that I'm as transparent both when I miss and when I hit so one of the threads I like to do each January is look back at guys who were undrafted by the end of the draft that I had draftable grades on and anyone that I didn't have enough of an evaluation on to put on my draftboard but who I flagged in my annual sleepers thread. Reminder of some alumni of this column who have gone on to have on to have reasonable careers are Robby "Chosen" Anderson (2016); Tyrel Dodson and Carl Granderson (2019); Bryce Huff and Juwan Johnson (2020) and Ivan Pace (2023). At the end of the 2024 NFL Draft I had only 4 undrafted guys with draftable grades on my board and only one additional sleeper. So five guys to consider when looking at how their rookie year went: Beau Brade, S, Maryland Brade was a late 3rd round grade on my board. His testing numbers likely stopped him getting drafted but his tape as a hard hitting box safety was pretty solid. He was signed as a UDFA by the Ravens and made the 53 coming out of camp. He has been a core special teamer playing 70% of the snaps in the kicking game but did get a handful of defensive snaps across three games. His ST ability likely means he is going to stick in the league for a few years and give him a chance to climb the depth chart on defense. Leonard Taylor III, DT, Miami Taylor was also a late 3rd round grade on my board but his tape in his final season at Miami was mixed and saw him slip right through the draft. That was very surprising to me but Taylor was swooped up by the Jets, made their active roster, and established himself in the defensive line rotation playing 28% of the snaps and tallying 1.5 sacks, 4 pressures and 4 tackles for loss. He could take another step in 2025. Javion Cohen, IOL, Miami Cohen had a late 4th round grade on my board. He was another guy, like Brade, whose tape was better than his testing and he did seem to play heavy in his final year with Miami after transferring from Alabama. He was signed as an UDFA by the Browns and made their initial 53. He was active for one game, in week 4, before being waived and the re-signed to the practice squad where he remained before signing a futures contract after the season. I expect Cleveland are hoping a full offseason NFL conditioning programme will bring improvement in 2025. Dallin Holker, TE, Colorado State Holker was the lowest guy left on my board with a 4th/5th borderline grade and was probably the most speculative of this group in terms of him actually getting drafted. He stood out in last year's Shrine Bowl and when I went back to his Colorado State tape I saw a really solid tight end who could do a bit of everything. He went undrafted to the Saints, made the 53 (which makes it a clean sweep this year for my draftable undrafted guys) and played in 12 games in 2024 as mainly a blocking tight end and special teamer. He got his most run week 18 against the Buccaneers and had two catches on three targets. Has a chance to make an impact in 2025. The one guy that I hadn't watched enough of to have a full grade on or to have on my board but who I flagged in my sleepers list prior to the draft who then went undrafted was: Blake Watson, RB, Memphis I had an indicative 5th round grade on Watson but hadn't done enough on him to have a full grade and put him on the board. My first exposure was the Shrine Bowl where I thought he was just a pass catching back, but when I did get to some Memphis film was impressed with his running. He was signed as an UDFA by the Broncos and... you guessed it.... he made the 53! He was waived during the season and then had bounced between the practice squad and active roster, playing in two games and getting his most run week 16 against the Chargers where he had 4 carries and one reception. He was inactive vs the Bills last week in the playoffs. As groups go I think that was a pretty good one. To have draftable grades on five guys that went undrafted and for all five to make their team's roster coming out of camp is a pretty good strike rate. I'll chalk that one up as a decent year and I really like Taylor's chances, in particular, to join the alumni list for this topic in years to come. I'm already well into looking at the guys who are hoping to be selected in Green Bay at the end of April, and no doubt again there will be some of those folks to talk about come next January.

Huh. He was when I pulled this list together on Thursday. You are right though his name is no longer there. Shame.