GunnerBill
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18 minutes ago, Augie said:
What if the Chiefs offered a 6th or 7th round pick for him. Would that make you nervous about what might come to be down the road?
Did anyone want to get rid of Bishop at any point in time? It’s not time to do a deal now, so I’ll wait and see what happens before making any premature decisions.
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It is different to Bishop. The issue with Cole was never talent. It was mental. It was waiting for the light to come on. It finally has. With Keon I don't see the talent. Maybe if they didn't have an established answer that they'd paid in the slot already I'd be saying move Keon inside and try him there before you give up him. But they do. I'm not taking Shakir off the field to try and rescue Keon's career. The reason Keon can't play outside receiver in the NFL is he doesn't have the skillset to do it.
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13 hours ago, Chaos said:
Samuel, Moore. They will never get better. And they don't produce much now. Against Miami, I did not think Coleman even looked like a legit NFL player, let alone a WR1 or WR2. However Coleman is only 21. I don't know why he missed meetings, I don't know what is going on in his life. A 24 year old in Dallas decided life wasn't worth living last week. At 21 Coleman is eligible to improve. I probably hang on to him over some others.
I thought WR2 was his absolute ceiling coming out of the draft. I am now pretty sure that is a ceiling he isn't reaching. He is at best a big slot. But the chances he totally busts out of the league are now pretty high.
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44 minutes ago, davefan66 said:
Rewatched yesterday knowing they win and was able to see a few things I missed.
Poyer had a good game. Closed coverage well, got to the ball quickly (even stopping a first down). Got beat badly on the TD run up the right, not sure many safeties would have recovered on that.
Hardman. Having him go long, even incomplete helped open the field for the offense for the game. I’m all for taking shots just to give the offense more room around the LOS.
Coleman was addition by subtraction. Shavers had a great game with tons of effort.
Gabe. Gave Josh a safety valve on a few plays. Seemed in sync with Josh much more than when he played here last.
3rd and long. They gave up a first down on the left side 12-15 yards deep too many times yesterday and this season. Not sure if they are in zone when they do this but there is a consistent gap in coverage the receiver finds and sits in about 15 yards deep. Seems too easy for the offense to get long first downs. This was too close a game to be giving up easy firsts like this.
Josh. Nothing can be said but let him be Josh. Yeah, you get not so great goal line interceptions, but you also get a beast who will take the game over and will it to a win.
And the touchdown run isn't Poyer's responsibility. Obviously ultimately you want your safety capable of saving a touchdown there and making Tampa get it in from the 10 or something but the failure was on the 2nd level (think Milano) who misplayed his assignment.
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I think it is pretty high. The issue was a pretty low floor and until JoPo got in alongide him that is what we got. But no question - Bish has been great the last 4 or 5 games. Very optimistic now for his future.
Bishop, Benford and Hairston is three nice young building blocks in that secondary.
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18 hours ago, H2o said:
Looked like he was calling the defense to me. He's had the play sheet in hand and talking into the mic in between every snap with the sheet guarding his mouth.
McDermott is calling the defense.
4 hours ago, HappyDays said:I didn't have any problem with this read from Allen. It's 4th down and the 1st read appears like it will be open, you take it every time. Palmer getting knocked down and Latu getting slowed up disrupted the timing because Allen is waiting for the short crossers to pass so he can throw the ball.
I'd like to see Knox show some awareness here... He's just standing watching the ball come to him and somehow doesn't realize a defender is on his way to the ball. Step up and sn*tch that thing out of the air.
The problem isn't the read. Or Knox. Josh is just late on the throw. I think a lot of his issues in recent weeks - including the poorer throws in this game - have been due to timing. If that is thrown half a second sooner it is a completion.
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4 hours ago, HoofHearted said:
When was this? Only time I saw that we went three down was in our dime sets. Other than that we were in our typical 1's and 3's and played some G fronts. Nothing out of the norm.
Scheme is not the issue. DL gets too tall and pushed around - doesn't command doubles. Second level defenders looked horrific recognizing pullers.
I thought I saw multiple snaps with a bear front, but I was watching it on my ipad in an airport hotel so I wouldn't stake my life on it haha.
I agree on all three points in your second para re. both scheme not being the issue, DL not having anyone that commands doubles without Ed, plays too upright and the second level defenders being a problem. I think the second level has been worse than the DL personally. Pretty much all season.
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5 hours ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said:
Yep. Additional by subtraction. The passing game looked like a different animal yesterday. IDC about Tampa’s bad pass defense. The Fins & Falcons both stifled Allen and they aren’t exactly world beaters.
That is true but trust me the Tampa defensive backfield is a mess.
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5 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Mahomes hasn't been very good in recent weeks. He threw this awful INT in FG range in a game decided by 3 points:
Also threw this terrible pick six that was overturned by a questionable illegal contact penalty:
I thought he would get back to his high standard of play this year after a couple middling seasons but it hasn't happened.
I think their Quarterbacking has still been better than their playcalling and scheming.
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4 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
For sure. Keon is a wasted spot and bad draft pick. Need to find a spot for Gabe on the roster. Is Beane ballsy enough to cut Keon for him? Probably not.
He should do.
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Just now, Scott7975 said:
He had a great game today but I wouldn’t get too hyped yet. Tampas passing defense isn’t all that good.
it’s a positive and some hope though
Agree with this. Bad Tampa pass D but my word I'd rather Shavers and Gabe rotating than Keon. He is a net negative to the offense.
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Some thoughts:
On #1 - nobody wants Josh to be a glorified game manager. But the reality is this time runs it better than it passes it for the most part. That is because our weapons in the pass game struggle getting open. That is a bad Buccs secondary we played today and so unlike other games when Brady dialled up the deep shots, particularly on play action Josh went deep rather than checking down which he has been doing. I think he checked down once to Cook over the middle. Every other shot play he threw deep. He hasn't been doing that because guys haven't been open and I think Josh has been a bit safe in challenging tight windows.
On #2 agree nobody here is a featured peice. I think running out of 11 occasionally to keep teams honest isn't the worst call but the Bills run it best in big personnel. They need to get out of the pitch obsession and get back to the trap and off tackle runs. When they ran some traps in the 4th Quarter Cook was back to churning out 5 plus most carries.
On #3.... it's missing
On #4 agree the D can't hold people. The 3rd down defense was a step back yesterday but partly because they lost too many 1st and 2nd downs. Generally since McD took over playcalling it has been much improved on 3rd down. Let's hope they get back to that next week.
On #5 I don't understand but sure 😂. On a serious note - I have always thought Josh is better when the ball is in his hand, he is high volume passing and can get intona rhythm. That said last year he won MVP in a more balanced offense. I do think the last few weeks other than when laser focussed vs the Chiefs he has looked a bit lazy in his fundamentals as a lower volume passer. So there is something finding an appropriate balance.
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1 hour ago, Shortchaz said:
today felt chaotic and unsustainable.
It did early, for sure. Think the offense found some rhythm 2nd half.
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9 minutes ago, GoBills808 said:
They're 2nd in the league in offensive EPA
That does surprise me but I think a Mahomes stat more than anything.
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15 minutes ago, Scott7975 said:
Not only can they but I believe they will. They are in a worse hole than the Bills last season and I don’t think Denver will fall off as bad as Miami did.
You mean 2023 not last season, but agree. The division is basically gone for them now. And the wildcard race.... I think the Bills and Jags make it. Texans, Chargers, Chiefs and Ravens (or Steelers) for one spot.
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Yes. They will beat both AFC North teams and could win both of the others too.
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3 hours ago, Gunsgoodtime said:
Keon is so slow he can't even get to meetings on time
But he is separating well at least...... separating himself from his rookie contract 😆
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3 hours ago, BigDingus said:
More drama. Yay.
Beane & McDermott sure know how to pick em. Glad they decided we didn't need to make a trade before the deadline though.
If he is no longer a Bill it ended well IMO.
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1 minute ago, Comebackkid said:
I guess Kurt Warner has been saying that the Offensive play calling makes no sense this year. I hear he's been calling them out on it all year.
He is right.
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5 minutes ago, GoBills! said:
If Josh has to put up 32-38 points to win in the playoffs we should just pack it up. Everyone knows playoff ball is much different. This defense can’t stop Tua and company id rather tear it down than live in playoff purgatory.
Andy Reid lived in it with the eagles they moved on and won. Also Andy won a few after as well.
The Eagles fired Andy after a 4-12 season on the back of an 8-8 and no playoffs year. I'm not sure McDermott and Beane would survive a single no playoff season.
This defense as currently constructed is trash though. I'd be stunned if we held good teams down in the post season.
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9 minutes ago, Shortchaz said:
I keep waiting for this team to game-plan to attack a teams weakness the way the Brady patriots would. it hasn’t happened and I’m losing faith it ever will.
I'd say they attacked the Buccs weak secondary pretty well...
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1 hour ago, JGMcD2 said:
I only read for two pages before I saw names like Kevin Stefanski and Jon Gruden for head coach and Wade Phillips as our DC.
What the actual *****. You’re all showing your ass.
The people who don't like McDermott's in game management but want Stefanski have clearly never watched a Browns game.
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2 minutes ago, Comebackkid said:
Looks like Bills fans are going to be in competition with the Chiefs fans cleaning house mindset...
seems they think their coaches now suck, Andy is living in the past and mahomey has regressed a great deal.
interesting....
I called it earlier in the year. Their offense right now is poorly coordinated. I know criticising Andy Reid is almost blasphomy but honestly watch a Chiefs game right now and tell me the offensive gameplan makes sense. There are some personnel issues there up front, they don't have a running back worth a dime and their receivers while all talented are a bit "samey". But the number of plays where they end up with guys banging into each other etc suggests the scheming isn't on point either.
It isn't "fire Andy" time and I still wouldn't rule out them running the table but I thought this offense could be back to an explosive KC offense and right now it looks miles off that.
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Just now, Dr. Who said:
You seem to still have a high opinion of McDermott. I like him, but I am not sold on his scheme. Is it fundamentally a scheme problem (outdated and figured out) or personnel? I'd like to see larger DTs and bigger LBs, but that won't happen in this scheme. Evidently the decision has been made to sacrifice stopping the run to supposedly stop the pass, but you can't have teams consistently gashing you for very long runs.
I am critical of a lot of what McDermott has got wrong this year. But he has been calling it much better on defense than Babich. That was not hard. Babich was way out of his depth. Personally I don't think it is a scheme issue and, while there is always a call or two, since the change I don't really think it is a playcalling issue. They have no difference makers up front and the second level looks old and slow. And while the scheme does prioritise pass defense over run defense there is no doubt the run D has to look better than this. They did go to some bear front 2nd half and it worked a bit better.... but man they need to find an answer. I'm just not sure what it is with their personnel.
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1 minute ago, Royale with Cheese said:
Is Milano just rusty or maybe just doesn’t have confidence because of his injuries?He looks very slow. Very noticeable.
He started coming on last year after a few games.
I think he looks washed personally. I'd love to be wrong. He has been a great Bill. But I think it is over.
A Few Thoughts about the Bucs Game - Community Edition
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I think McD taking over the playcalling HAS worked. When I was advocating for him to do it, even before the Falcons game where it became obvious he had to it, the two things I said I thought it would fix were third down and the confusion pre-snap.
While Tampa had a good day on 3rd down on Sunday overall the 3rd down D since McD took over is singificantly improved (was about 20% points better before Sunday). And the pre-snap miscommunications have been better the past game or two after being an issue all season (including the first couple of McDemott games).
He isn't going to magically fix the rest of it. I think the talent on D gives it a pretty clear ceiling. Someone said it elswhere they are kind of between two stools.... older guys who are dropping off and young rookie / 2nd year guys who haven't established themselves yet. The prime age/experience guys on this D are basically the three they resigned this year - Groot, Bernard and Benford - and Oliver who is done for the year. I was pretty clear at the time I wasn't necessarily in favour of extending Bernard. And I was on the fence with Groot.
The positives on defense from this year are Walker, Bishop and Hairston. Three talented young guys who have really shown some promise.