GunnerBill
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8 minute is about right.
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7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:
I thought Vontae retired during a home game?
Yea Vontae retired week 2 not week 1 was it the Chargers at home? Rings a bell.
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5 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:
I think for a lot of McDermott fans, it would take them not making the playoffs for at least one season, probably 2. (If someone is a big McDermott supporter, correct me if I'm wrong of course)
As the argument is always "it could always be worse and the grass isn't always greener".
I have always been very clear:
1. Missing the playoffs barring a major Josh Allen injury;
2. Losing a playoff game to a clearly inferior Quarterback..... that might well get tested this offseason given likely makeup of the playoff field;
3. Any repeat of a 13 seconds level coaching blunder.
I have added a 4th to it this season which is:
4. Firing Brandon Beane. I don't think Pegula will but depending on how our season ends I would consider it. And at that point I think you clean house. Bringing in another GM to work with McD when they are likely misaligned is a pretty sure fire way to waste another 2 or 3 seasons before inevitably the coach would be fired anyway. If you fire Beane I don't see an argument for retaining McDermott.
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44 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said:
There were definitely passing game disasters in 2020 I just think people are more willing to overlook them if they get to watch a well oiled pass happy offense the rest of the time 😂
Tennessee and kc back to back were awful (kc especially was extremely humiliating), we almost lost to a cam newton led pats team not long after where Josh passed for under 160 , then we almost lost to a pretty bad chargers team where Josh passed for under 160 also.
Ironically there were probably equally as many bad passing performances as this year against the same split of good/bad teams but we snuck out with wins in a few so nobody looks too close
another interesting discussion point is I think there’s been a bit of a swing back towards defense since 2020 so who knows how big of an effect that is having. This year there’s 4 or 5 teams averaging over 370 yards per game and in 2020 it was half the league. It’d be interesting to average all teams output but offense seems to be way down
2020 was the no fans year too. That definitely advantaged offenses and particularly passing offenses because there was no issue setting protections etc.
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1 hour ago, Avisan said:Shocked at the number of people who think the Bills have at least a 5% chance to lose out, including dropping games to both the Browns and the Jets.
I put it at 5% because there are still scenarios where it can happen that we miss out at 10-7. I don't think they are very likely but a 1 in 20 chance felt about right.
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Isn't he the one who wanted to fight Epenesa?
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I'm a bit of a sucker for a traditional pocket QB in this era of mobile playmakers. I love watching Burrow play. Just not against the Bills.... ha.
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2 hours ago, FireChans said:
Meh I completely disagree.
2024 felt that way because Josh was basically playing at a transcendent level from the Houston game on. He was still needing to scramble out of the pocket to hit long shots to Shakir or Mack Hollins to get the offense going. He just was playing as perfect as an NFL QB can play.
The difference between 2024 and 2025 is that teams respect us deep even less and have done their darnedest to take away Josh’s explosive plays made by his legs.
Combine that with Josh not being able to maintain playing basically perfect, and you get a laborious offense despite being captained by a superstar.
go back and watch 2020 Bills film. It was pitch and catch for Josh. He still did incredible things and made incredible plays, but his life was so much easier down to down.
I agree that our explosives still came a lot from Josh getting out and creating but there were more easy button throws in last year's offense than any year since 2020. And 2020 there was no meaningful run game to speak of either. Our offense was almost entirely Josh. Last year he had an excellent run game to support him. Of course Josh was extremely efficient too and did play at an incredible level, but there was WAY less cape in 2024 and more him just being masterfully in control of the offense. Compared to 2022 and 2023 and chunks of this season where it has felt like almost constant cape requirement and if he doesn't put it on we lose.
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18 minutes ago, folz said:
The funny thing is when we do have one of those games, then you guys complain that we are wasting Josh's talents by making him a game manager. So, you want him to throw the ball all over the field, but then when he does, you guys complain that he has to do too much.
This is definitely true btw. The same people who moan about overuse of the cape moan about running the ball and playing small ball too much as wasting Josh Allen.
Personally I do think he has needed the cape more this year though. 2024 is the least cape needy version of Allen and the Bills there has ever been IMO. Last year we won 5 or 6 games where the defense and the run game meant Josh could just play in rhythm take what the defense was giving and not have to extend himself. This year it is just the Jets, the Panthers and the Steelers so far. I'd go as far as to say we'd be a 3 win team right now if Allen had missed the season.
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6 hours ago, Billsatlastin2018 said:
It is helpful, but it never ever in 2025, balances out a total absence of talent at WR! Try and name one Lombardi winner who relied on TEs and a RB. HASN’t happened.The Bills rely on one superhuman person, who must every, freaking game, put on his cape to overcome the terrible deficiencies of mgt. in constructing the Offence!
Unless he is running wild to both run and buy time for the ZERO Separation Squad and Cook is doing his break through thing, they are dead!
I mean tight end, running back and slot receiver (plus an excellebt OL) won plenty of Superbowls for New England. On their second era dynasty who was the best outside receiver to play on any of those teams? Chris Hogan? Brandon LaFell? Maybe I am forgetting someone but I don't think so.
That isn't me advocating for that type of roster build by the way. My views on the Bills issues at outside receiver are well known... and it goes without saying Josh Allen is not Tom Brady. I think Brady might be the only QB in history that could nickel and dime you to death with that set of slill players. Worth saying as well that when healthy Gronk was an all timer at tight end. Kincaid and Knox are nice. They are not that.
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3 hours ago, JGMcD2 said:
Here’s some critical questioning, if Howie Roseman claimed Slay, which he reportedly planned to do… how many people would be cursing Beane and praising Howie for bringing in a savvy vet? I’d bet many of the same critical folks on this thread…
One who knows the scheme and played on their Superbowl winning team last season. I think that is a bit different. If say the Ravens were bringing him in and people were praising Eric DaCosta, sure. But the Eagles are a special case when it comes to Slay.
What I would say relevant to a different criticism Beane gets is that it proves the point that the Bills are not the only team who look for guys they know and who know them when trying to add injury depth especially late in the year. Roseman is the best GM in the business and just this year has brought back Brandon Graham from retirement, tried to bring back Slay and a couple of guys on the practice squad - most notably Quez Watkins. It's the way the NFL is. Teaching guys your scheme on the fly with limited in-season practices is darn hard these days.
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8 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said:
The option question is a no-brainer. Of course you pick it up. At only $8M, even more so.
Then see how it plays out for an extension. I believe he has earned, and is worthy, of a second contract. Just dont make the Knox mistake again. No need to pay these guys $15M+. Should be more like an $8M-10M average.
Ah I didn't realise the option only cost $8m in my previous answer. If that is the case, no brainer to pick it up. But I am in no rush to pay him. I am not ruling it out but he has to play a full season and have a truly exceptional year if he wants the big tight end bucks.
4 hours ago, Dr.Sack said:Yes, Pick it up (2027) and you can still franchise him 2028 and 2029. So Kincaid will be age 31 when you actually have to commit long term $.
Hardly anyone plays on the tag now though. It is generally just a tool to stop someone walking in March and give more time for negotiation.
Given he will be 29 coming off the option year his agent would be totally incompetent to let him play on the franchise tag. Life changing money is very much a one time shot for Dalton. He will get a 2nd deal.... his age when drafted means he probably won't get a third.
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It's Taron Johnson.
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6 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:
I wouldn't rule out that he's forgotten how to play. He looks lost at times out there. He's had a ton of concussions in his career but he usually(remarkably) cleared protocol and was back out there the next week. It's not just the bad shoulders and aging wheels he has been the antithesis of the heady player he used to be.
He has never been the same guy since that shoulder at the start of last season. And that was coming off 2023 that was arguably his best ever year.
I know they have used Hancock at safety this year given the holes there.... but my feeling when they drafted him was he was long term Taron insurance and I do wonder if when they turn up at OTAs in the spring he gets a shot to properly compete at nickel.
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2 minutes ago, Einstein said:
I could just be misinterpreting, but McD certainly did not seem like he approved of that deal.McDermott does not have approval over roster moves. Beane has control of the 53. Now previously I was always told they were very aligned so going back at least to two years ago I am certain they at least talk before this decision. But if there is a wider tension from this year as is speculated can I imagine a situation where they disagreed who the guy to expose to waivers was? Certainly.
And here is my completely unfounded conspiratorial theory..... McDermott may well have wanted it to be Keon. The way that pick has worked out it is BOUND to have created tension. I can imagine McDermott being like "Brandon you can miss on talent that happens, but how the eff do you miss on a person so badly?" I think McDermott is done with Coleman. He won't be on the roster in 2026 IMO.
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I don't know, and I don't necessarily see any of what we do know as a smoking gun. My two sources over recent years are both no longer in the organisation.
But it would not surprise me. The Bills have underachieved in 2025 to this point. That creates tension and it is against a background where both know there is an external pressure on them to get over the hump.
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30 minutes ago, Buffalo716 said:
You got to admit Andy reads obsession with his terrible shotgun inside zone is not typical Andy Reid
Like the game is moving by... Kareem hunt actually is probably the best running back this year in the NFL for 3rd and 2 or 4th and two and shorter
He's converting at an insane clip.. no I obviously don't think he's a top 25 running back.. but he is one of the better short yardage backs running rn
But everything about Andy reids offense is out of whack... People should seriously question mahomes and what his long-term legacy will look like
Because it looks like he was propped up by a bunch of Hall of famers and he's a really good quarterback without them.. he's not one of the best quarterbacks of all time like he was anointed... He's nowhere close to the Montana Brady Manning group
And reid has no more scheming that can mask it
Agree I have talked about the Chiefs O elsewhere. I don't think has been well coordinated and designed for much of this year.
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8 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:
There are plenty of examples where Beane has fallen short. A reasonable argument can be made that he's fallen short in this area as well. Look at the mid season acquisitions he has made the last few seasons. Consistently signing WRs because the roster isn't good, linebackers and defensive tackles off their couches. The theme for several years is the Bills have issues stopping the run, can't generate a consistent pass rush, and has a serious WR problem especially at the X position. Imho, the depth hasn't been good in any of these areas. Lastly, he's always made the decision to go cheap at the backup QB position. Thus far, the depth at that position hasn't been tested. With that said, if Allen goes done for an extended period of time you can kiss the season goodbye. In short, I think you are giving Beane too much credit here. He really missed his opportunities to upgrade the team when Allen was on his rookie contract!!! Now he is handicapped and has limited opportunities. He created it.
Strong disagree. You are expecting depth players to be difference makers. They are never going to be that. The Bills depth at those spots has been good. To be without the guys the Bills were without on the defensive line on Sunday and to still have serviceable NFL players there is an excellent depth job.
They don't have enough difference makers. That is the issue. Not the depth.
And I agree he didn't maximise the opportunity while Josh was on a rookie deal, although he wasn't helped by the timing of a global pandemic and cap reduction, but I agree there were missed opportunities there.
This is not a Brandon Beane is great post. But building serviceable depth is the thing he does best as a GM.
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29 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:
1) Bad for 6 and better for 5 is how you have a "bad" 115 passer rating against going into week 13. I think there was a premature rush by some to point out that he wasn't giving up much yardage after the bye........when the team itself was leading the NFL in least passing yardage allowed......largely because they were getting trampled so easily on the ground. He's gotten back to himself and may even be leveling up even in recent weeks.
2) Yeah certainly appeared that he was playing tentatively.
3) Contract slotting is really just a GM/agent tool. Contracts are first and foremost about timing. I think you have to judge a player on their performance relative to their peers and how that relates to the highest aav at the position. It's simpler and also very imperfect but more genuine because you don't have to exclude players with less than 4 years experience and players who are over performing their poorly timed contracts etc. etc. That's why I never use slotting to support or discredit a player but will use PFF.
On 1) the tape supports him playing better after the bye, it isn't just the fact that (you are not wrong) teams were just charging all over us. As for passer rating - PFR and PFF have slightly different numbers but per PFF he gave up over 100 passer rating 4 times in the first 6 weeks and only once since. His performance was on a steady upswing post the bye then the last two weeks he has been brilliant.
On 3) I agree, but I do think there is a legitimate question that people can ask about whether he is overpaid for the skillset he has. That is different than the "he is invisible" or "he has been a slug" type criticism which isn't fair. He is playing well. What they are expecting of him is not necessarily in line with his skillset.
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11 hours ago, HappyDays said:
Those two examples you used are ancient history in NFL years. These days there is maybe one defense per year that is able to actually slow down top offenses. This year it's Houston, and they have two top 3 picks that turned into superstars. A team like us picking at the bottom of the rounds, we're never going to have a defense that talented.
And just to be clear I'm not saying defense is totally meaningless even with the rules as skewed towards offense as they are today. I'm fine using 1st rounders on DL and CBs and occasionally giving out big FA contracts to legit defensive players. But you can't spend almost your entire set of offseason resources on that side of the ball, and then still get into games like yesterday. We're extremely lucky to have the only QB in the entire NFL that can win yesterday's game for the Bills, but I hate having to rely on that. There have been several games this year where we needed the offense to be the unit that made a play at the end. Same with our last two playoff losses. Sometimes Allen is able to pull it out all on his own but a lot of times he's not.
So I'm happy to accept that no defensive coaching could have made any kind of difference in yesterday's game, as long as we're also accepting that no amount of investment could have made a difference either. Whereas a couple legit investments on offense absolutely could have made it easier on us. Allen's ability to have a legendary performance in a shootout should be a bonus, not the only possible win condition.
Is worth saying by cap dollars THIS year the Bills are heavily slanted towards offense. Even without Josh it is more on offense than defense. Worryingly we are spending the 18th most in the NFL on receivers this year to get what I suspect is the 32nd best production.
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I'm not sure there is anything different about him. I think he is who he is - a darn good but not perfect football coach.
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6 minutes ago, stevewin said:
So if I'm understanding correctly, what you're saying is that a loss to an NFC team will help our playoff chances
It always does.
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30 minutes ago, GASabresIUFan said:
The answer is both simple and impossible. There are about 120 FBS teams. Divide them into 8 15 team geographic divisions. The top 2 teams in each division play for a division championship and the 8 champs make the playoffs. Settle it on the field. No committee, no rankings, no BS.
Yea agree, that would work.
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13 minutes ago, Instincts said:
This is probably the most accurate. I just believe Maye has less to work with than Stafford.
He definitely does, but as much as the voters would tell you MVP is only ever about how they play that season the reality is it is going to be a bit of a career award for Matt Stafford. He is a well liked, well respected, Superbowl winning vet coming towards the end. Unless the Rams collapse down the stretch he will be the MVP. I think Maye will get a few votes but Stafford is gonna get a big majority of the 50.
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There’s something different about McD this season…
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They blew a game against New England with careless turnovers and there is no excuse for the Falcons loss. Losing a divisional road game at Miami, that can happen and Houston on the road is a hard game. Given the injuries I think 11-2 would be about par personally.