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32 minutes ago, Sundancer said:
Dummy show me the hospitalization and death stats for vaccinated mirroring those for unvaccinated. That would back your statement that the vaccine doesn’t work after 6 months.
I’m still waiting.
Interesting that you don't feel the need to back your thoughts up with even one source but I need specific information to back mine up. If your entire argument is that death is the only standard then the vaccines still work but if having Covid is the standard then the vaccines do little after 6 months.
https://www.sciencemag.org/news/2021/08/grim-warning-israel-vaccination-blunts-does-not-defeat-delta
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8 minutes ago, Sundancer said:
Nope. Read what you said.
No one is saying the vaccine doesn’t work after 6 months in most cases. No one.
Or it’s a novel virus with a new vaccine and we can’t know all the answers. Ya know. Science. Only faith is written in stone.A new vaccine but you already told me it lasts 18 months. You seem to have a lot of faith that even the WH says it is 8 months
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1 hour ago, Sundancer said:
You did link to those but you did not show your panicked chicken little "most cases the vaccine doesn't work after 6 months"
So if I used 8 months- as the white house is now using- would you agree?
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2 hours ago, Sundancer said:
Your data proves the point of how well the vaccines work. And now do hospitalizations and deaths for the vaccinated. I'll be waiting.
I'm sorry, are you still not backing up your statement that in most cases the vaccine doesn't work after 6 months?
I linked to WebMD, showed a doctor who who was giving 3rd shots, and showed Israel action, you have responded with literally nothing and cant answer a simple question. You can't answer because the only reason for the shots is the protection is disappearing for the high risk people.
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8 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:
Good grief. What a sad thread. "This country is gone, killed by Democrats" is somehow seen here as more truthful than what we see in the media.
The media does indeed have problems and make mistakes. It shouldn't be trusted 100%, anymore than any human system out there. But yeah, it's the most trustworthy way out there to see what's happening. It's like the old quote about democracy, "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others." Yup. On target. And the media is the worst system of getting information about what's happening in the world, except for all the others.
But many will insist that what they get from their feed on facebook is better.
Where you and I will disagree is that the MSM is not concerned with factual accuracy. They (CNN, ABC, WAPO, NYT) are more concerned with narrative. WAPO still writes that 1.75 trillion is more than 1.9 trillion and calls anyone who points out the absurdity of the claim a conspiracy theorist or a liar. You are completely correct that no source is 100%, or IMO even 75%, trustworthy but the lack of even trying to be accurate is absurd
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8 hours ago, Sundancer said:
Another guy with the six months of protection line. You guys getting this from newsmax? The Trump blog?
I know there is not consensus but please answer this: why is Israel giving booster shots at this time? Or do you believe Israel is an incompetent country?
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9 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Equity should mean an equal shot as far as I’m concerned. What you do with it is on you. I agree that you don’t keep bad folks to meet some kind of quota, but the idea is to open up more opportunities for those who may have been closed out.
An equal shot is called equality. The reason it has basically been abandoned by liberals is it means hard work. Equity means equal results and pretends that some God given skill and hard work are not the main reason for success
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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
Dude I have taken training in it every year as part of my workplace mandatory yearly requirements. My daughter is a DEI counselor. I understand it. The idea is to help everyone understand why we should all be judged by the content of their character. And my training has nothing to do with politicians, it’s because the board and CEO of our health network know it makes a better workplace.
Equity that simply becomes equal outcomes does not make any workplace better. It is a fact that some people are more useful than others in certain jobs, and the incompetent should be rewarded equally with the competent. My union does not help good teachers it protects the bad ones so we are all treated with equity and you wonder why good teachers leave.
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2 hours ago, oldmanfan said:
That is what diversity, equity and inclusion teaches. Will that work for you?
Dude you believe in the goodness of politicians to an absurd level. The idea of equity is the opposite of judging someone on their character. Equity says that people should have the same outcome regardless of character or skills.
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1 hour ago, Sundancer said:
Typo but I'm still waiting for you on this: “Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.”
I'll stop asking for you to support it since you failed so miserably the last 3 times I asked.
You never once showed where I was wrong- you simply stated my actual facts were not facts. You have presented nothing as far a recent study.
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1 hour ago, Sundancer said:
I already did.
Nothing you linked supports, “Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.”
What we know is that vaccines are providing robust immune support at least 18 months into the testing for almost all cases except for those whose immunity is compromised.
But you keep chicken-little-ing.
The vaccines have only been used widespread for 8 months but we know about an 18 month robust support. Dude do you work for the Pfizer?
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1 hour ago, oldmanfan said:
I am not worried about any long term effects of the vaccines. First, historically side effects from vaccination are extraordinarily rare and, if they occur, are seen within weeks. We saw this with the very rare blood clot issues and the myocarditis with the Covid vaccines, which are picked up quickly due to the reporting mechanisms used globally.
Granted then mRNA viruses are new technology, but they are basically lipid packages of mRNA. The mRNA is transcribed then degraded, and does not alter the genome in any way. SoI don’t see where the theoretical fear of long term adverse effects are supported based on the science.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna757526
1/3 of drugs have unexpected side effects, which is not extraordinary rare. Old school vaccines are not as problematic as they used to be because we have spent 80 years making them better. RNA effects on the body is still an unknown, which you seem to admit. While I doubt there will be any life threatening problem in a decade we don't know because we don't have a long term study
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12 minutes ago, ComradeKayAdams said:
Buffalo Timmy: “Well done proving that the initial alarm was very likely poorly done research.”
ComradeKayAdams: “I did no such thing. I distinguished the most useful metrics for determining coral reef biome health (any of the coral bleaching data) from the much less useful ones (coral growth rates and coral cover percentages). The article did not review any of the coral bleaching data collected from the Great Barrier Reef or from any other coral reefs on the planet. Any guesses as to why??”
Buffalo Timmy: “Kay, if you can’t predict the future it is not good science.”
ComradeKayAdams: “Agreed, but predictions have already been made. The data so far is approximately matching the median predictions for ocean temperatures, coral bleaching incidents, bleaching coverage, AND biome population reductions for the flora and fauna most sensitive to ocean temperature increases.”
Buffalo Timmy: “If I keep predicting collapse and it grows, then I am missing something large.”
ComradeKayAdams: “Well for one thing, predictions of coral reef biome collapse have been made predominantly for the second half of this century…which obviously hasn’t arrived yet. Also, there are a number of explanations for short-term reversals of long-term trends in coral health. Regional ocean temperatures can undergo large seasonal fluctuations (El Nino/La Nina), carbon dioxide absorption perturbations at sea level can lead to temporary changes in coral growth rates due to the changes in ocean acidification, and a small percentage of coral species can always become more or less adaptive to alterations in their ocean environment via the wonderful process of evolution!”
Buffalo Timmy: “Making huge predictions based on 30 years of data for a structure that is thousands of years old seems foolish.”
ComradeKayAdams: “No, it’s not foolish. We have a very detailed understanding of how all the various coral species react to water temperature and water acidity. Our understanding comes from both in-situ studies and laboratory research. The only major variables in play, really, besides disease are the trajectories of ocean temperatures and ocean acidity levels. Unfortunately, we know how those two are trending…well, that is the non-climate change deniers among us do.”
I am not a climate change denier- I simply do not believe man is at all equiped to stop it. We adapt or die. You keep stating we understand things so well but our predictions suck terribly, so you are definitely wrong somewhere in a big way.
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The worst thing about this study is they went straight from small correlation to complete causation. If they were to show one umpire is garbage and is racist I might believe it but this study says that one pitch every game is worse for minorities vs whites. No discussion of arm angles, pitch speed, catcher position, all things that effect close calls. This was a "study" with a decision made and then research to prove it.
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I just watched the highlights on NFL network and the 6 minute highlights did not have the Bills TD but showed an offside. Highlights looked good for our Defense.
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2 hours ago, Sundancer said:
This started with your statement,“Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.”
I said that was BS because it is. You cited articles that didn’t back that up or have been corrected, so I called BS again, and your response to that is, “Old people are dying of Covid,” which is true but about as relevant as me saying “Josh Allen wears number 17.”
Try to keep up.
The article about people in Orlando getting a third shot because they have no immunity left is not in support of what I said? Why is Israel giving a third shot if not for waning coverage? Please tell me how these two facts don't back me up?
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9 hours ago, SectionC3 said:
Hoax. I never said “proven.” Rule #2, please.
Dude your willingness to mock black people for not acting as you think so is racist.
1 hour ago, Mark92 said:OK "pal" 🙄, where did I mention the Georgia law? I'll wait for my beer on that one. Here is the the law in TEXAS that I was referring to. Sorry to make you actually read it. It kind of long and totally contradicts Facebook so that might be triggering to you. So be prepared to have an epic lib owning response 😘.
You go to the Georgia thread to discuss Texas and act surprised when people think you are discussing Georgia? Got it, smart people admit when they miss context.
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24 minutes ago, Sundancer said:
That is a complete and utter evasion of the nonsense I responded to.
Smart to totally change topics for your sake!
Wow your a tool- I did not change topics- you stated everything I linked to was focused on the most high risk. I simply pointed out that is main focus of smart people is high risk people. What did I evade? Your brilliance that those under 25 have virtually no risk, which has been known since March 2020.
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3 hours ago, Sundancer said:
The Israel data got corrected so that link is bunk. The booster so far is for…people with…wait for it….severely immuno compromised systems. Oh and your pre print Pfizer data on 23(!) people is about titers.
Waning is not “vaccines don’t last after 6 months.” And titers that wane mean next to nothing for the body to mount an immune response, which is why ALL studies have shown that so far, excepting immunity compromised people, vaccines remain robustly effective for all studied participants since they started studying patients.
You seem like a really well read science guy so I’m sure you’ve read the peer reviewed journal articles, right?
I think you think you are clever. Any discussion about Covid that does not focus almost exclusively on the high risk people is not worth having. Any discussion that tries to discuss the 1 in 50000 people as being nearly as important as the 1 in 50 is not worthy of time. Of the 600k deaths at least 550k are high risk people.
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3 hours ago, Sundancer said:
“Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.”
Patently false statement.https://www.wogx.com/news/local-physician-already-prescribing-3rd-covid-19-vaccine-to-some-patients
I should have stated people who are keeping up with the news know, not people like you
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1 minute ago, ALF said:
Ok who are the majority of unvaccinated in the US
The group with the lowest vaccination rate is blacks. I have seen several reports it is less than 25% in parts of the country.
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3 hours ago, Sundancer said:
And an interesting preprint study on vaccines and mutations to watch.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.08.08.21261768v1
Findings The vaccination coverage rate is inversely correlated to the mutation frequency of the SARS-CoV-2 delta variants in 16 countries of 20 countries studied. We also discovered delta variants evolved differently under the positive selection pressure in the United Kingdom and India.
Meaning Full vaccination against COVID-19 is critical to suppress emergent mutations. Tajima’s D test score, with a threshold value as -2.50, can provide a promising tool to forecast new COVID-19 outbreaks.
What kind of dummy do you have to be to believe we can stop this thing from mutating? The vast majority of the world is not vaccinated and will not be for at least a decade, so if the mutations don't happen here they will happen elsewhere and then be brought here. Anyone who understands how virus work will understand that it will mutate differently for different populations. Of course we now know the vaccines are not lasting more than 6 months in most cases.
https://www.wogx.com/news/local-physician-already-prescribing-3rd-covid-19-vaccine-to-some-patients
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2 minutes ago, B-Man said:
Texas Trib: 5,800 kids hospitalized in one week in Texas!! (Libs freak out)
Texas Trib later: Oh sorry, the number was actually 783 in a six-week period. (Libs ignore)
See how it works?
My next question is how many of the children are here illegally? What were their living conditions prior to getting ill? Nothing is being reported on how to fix the problem except getting a vaccine that we are now finding out last 6 months or less.
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1 minute ago, ALF said:
13.4% of US is black all ages. They are not the biggest unvaccinated group.
I clearly said you are blaming the vast majority of black people, not that blacks are the majority of non vaccinated. Your stat is not applicable to my comment.
It's Time to Mandate Vaccines
in Politics, Polls, and Pundits
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I am curious where you got your table. NBC said there were 125k breakthrough cases on July 30th. Your table shows it never get close to 500 on any given week. One of these tables is incorrect. Even if each day was 500 breakthrough it would take 250 days to reach that total.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/ncna1275500