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7 hours ago, GunnerBill said:
I don't agree that we play a D he doesn't fit. I think he is actually a good fit in our D or any 4-3 under base defense as the 7 technique "big end". That means the guy who lines up on the strong side of the formation, typically in the gap between the tight end and offensive tackle. This guy is vital in stopping the run and must be able to keep lane discipline or else the integrity of the whole defensive scheme fails. Pretty much every 4-3 under base in the league - Seahawks, Panthers, Patriots, Chargers, Falcons, Cowboys etc would find use for a player like Shaq in exactly this role.
What you are doing is mistaking a skill set limitation for a scheme fit issue. Shaq unfortunately has not developed as a pass rusher enough to be an all round defensive end who is able to play in alignments other than the 4-3 under base - like the wide nine - which is the Bills (and many other 4-3 base teams) go to alignment in obvious passing downs. When lined up wider in the 9 technique on 3rd and long Shaq doesn't have the burst to make enough plays that affect the Quarterback and so what you often saw last season was the Bills take him off the field in that scenario (Lorenzo was used on the line more etc).
That limits his value to an early downs defensive end who you only really want out there in your base defense. That said Shaq was more productive last year with 12 QB hits as well as his 4 sacks. If you want to speculate on what will happen next then I think Adrian Clayborn is a decent comparator. Was also drafted in the middle of the first by Tampa and while he was a little more productive in terms of sack numbers compared to playing time (he had 13 in his 4 years in Tampa and like Shaq had injury issues) he was essentially seen at the end of that as a 7 technique who you wouldn't really want out there on an obvious passing down. Atlanta signed him to a 3 year $12m contract after that and he was used as a rotational defensive end - as a 7 tech - on early downs and had limited sack production the first two years (7.5 over 2 years) before "breaking out" the third year with 9.5 (half of which came in one game against a terrible Dallas backup). He got a decent two year deal off New England after that but they realised after one they had overvalued him and he has gone back to Atlanta on a 1 year $2m dollar deal.
So is Shaq's free agent market limited? Yes. But it is limited by skill set not scheme fit. He fits any of the 4-3 under base defenses that use a scheme like the one we do... including being a fit here. The limitation is he isn't a true 3 down player and so his value is probably capped at that $4m a year type mark.
thanks for this- this is exactly what i was looking for in regards to demand. also you have clearly watched more NFL the paat few years than me and have much more knowledge of non Bills player and schemes.
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4 hours ago, JoPar_v2 said:
Exactly. I realize the overall pass rush numbers for Shaq are poor, but he has improved his overall play the past two years under McDermott.
Whatever. These hater threads are f****** stupid at this point; the option is gone. He’ll probably go succeed elsewhere and these know-nothings pissing on the guy will suddenly fall silent and melt back under their bridges.
I do not see how this is a "hater thread" -he has a skill set that does not match our D and I do not see many players of his skill set in demand. He is not terrible but he is like a back to basket center in NBA today, not in demand.
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r predictions:
1) Bills take division by winning last two games of year to catch and then pass Pats.
2) Browns are no better than 5 wins
3) Steelers win division running away without AB and Bell.
4) Jets are good but not because of Bell who is mediocre without Pitt line.
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2 hours ago, Rc2catch said:
So many Lawson haters.. Lot of teams would love to have a player like Shaq.
It’s still completely possible he learns a move or two and gets better rushes on the quarterback. But he’s showing a really impressive knack for batting down balls at the line which is valuable as well.
I would imagine any 4-3 team in the league would take him for the right price. He’s not a 100 million guy and that’s ok. Not his fault he was picked high and hasn’t lived up to his draft position. If he has a breakout year this season he’ll get a giant payday next offseason
i do not hate Shaq in any way but we play a D that he does not fit. i think if Rex had been given his D Shaq would be considered much better. My question is whose D does he fit? also if he will come back for a reasonable contract i am for it but he will be rotational.
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I realize that Shaq Lawson is not likely here for any longer than this season but where will he go? i do not see teams who want him, at least not for more money comparable to what he gets this year.
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In regards to fisher and why so many see him making roster- he is like having an additional lineman on field when he is there and they can teach him specific things more easily as a goal line specialist than trying to use a normal tackle eligible. I think he makes roster if the Bills plan on going extra lineman on most plays inside 10 and he can high point a ball.
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I would love a quick DE otherwise i think the cost will be higher than worth.
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I had thought someone would jump in with big money- 2 years $30 million total- and if that is case i am not surprised. If it is 1 year 12 million i will be a little disappointed but i will get over it?
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10 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:
Read the article
I jad assumed it was same article i had read earlier in day which had no info- that was actually a well written article with pertinent information, who new journalist still did that?
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1 hour ago, CSBill said:
Certainly not Fitz, every QB he plays behind gets hurt.
I was about to say fitz but what ypu say is true- must be why NE does not want him as their backup.
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I am very interested in tv deal as far as how much is XFL making on contracts? I would bet The XFL is getting basically nothing financially and McMahon is ready to lose big for two years in order to get a fan base.
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45 minutes ago, White Linen said:
Josh Allen made him look a little more competent last year. I'm not saying it's time to move on from Zay but it's time to move on from believing he's going to turn into anything special. He's a complimentary guy and he'll play a few more seasons in the NFL then be an afterthought.
This year i believe will be very telling- many players break put their third year- especially if he surrounded by competent people. I just do not find it smart to write off players after 2 years.
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6 hours ago, reddogblitz said:
Fun while it lasted. Hopefully the new XFL in 2020 will do better.
XFL will last at least one year- Vince will ensure that but the long range viability will depend on better tv situation which i doubt he can much better.
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30 minutes ago, Mr. WEO said:
Big target? Not fast?
He can have Kelvin Benjamin's number.
I think that is an unfair comparison KB was overweight and lazy. He never seemed to fight for 50/50 balls which duke seems to be willing to do. I am not real high on him but i think he deserves more credit than that.
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Colin i use to listen too about 10 years ago liked because he was honest and never said what he did not believe. I do not have opportunity now to listen so assuming status quo that way: he likes "intellectual" qbs not big strong arms. Colin liked Captain Checkdown because of Stanford therefoe Rosen is his kind of guy and Allen is not- the question is will he admit how wrong he is at end of year?
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I would have to figure out how to bet properly, but I would put down $100 for at least 7 wins. This is the one time our horrible recent history can be used in our favor.
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3 hours ago, ngbills said:
The Duke hype reminds me of DaRick Rogers. Not sure how many of you remember. There have been others as well. The obsession with the random guys out there that are better than everyone else on our roster...
I remember Darick and his crazy potential- i was one of those excited and shocked when he got cut. I will wait to see what happens here but i doubt Zay is cut or traded.
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1 hour ago, SCBills said:
Let’s all thank the University of Houston for having no idea what to do with him. No way he is around at 9 if he was used correctly.
I will mildly disagree- they knew he was the only defender that was not bad- they needed him to do everything like UB did with Khalil Mack
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I beleive we have upgraded every position on offense that was awful and defensively we should be no worse. Therefore i think with a little luck we will be 10-6. Anything worse than 8-8 is a disappointment.
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9 hours ago, SoTier said:
This might be it. His release and/or throwing motion might also be an issue. I think even before the draft, he wasn't ever considered discussed among the prospects likely to go before the sixth or seventh round. I think I saw one article somewhere calling him a "sleeper pick" or something.
I always find it odd that a throwing motion can be such a problem. You would figure to earn a 100 mil that a dude could learn to improve it.
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Tyree had no touch on his throws. He also had much better receivers than JA but still was only marginally better.
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I like the david sills signing- he did well when he had a good qb.
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1 minute ago, Nextmanup said:
Speed isn't about running 40 yards at once.
I am simply stating that sprinter speed while good is not as important for a back as say a reciever. Rbs usually are good based on quickness not speed.
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I saw him play one game this year and he was impressive- he is quick and shifty. He might be a burner but how often does a rb really get to run 40 yds in one direction
does any team still use DE who mainly set edge?
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i had not thought of it this way- i would certainly pay a rotational guy 3 year at 10 million total for what he has done.
i will admit that his skill set might fit better than i realize because i do not watch him in particular. i do not see domination by him or Starr but i know Starr has an assignment to let others make the play.