Kirby Jackson
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5 minutes ago, BillsPride12 said:
That sounds pretty awesome. I'm surprised this isn't being marketed more.
Yeah, it was one of the first things that they showed us as we went through. The model that they have of the stadium was pretty awesome as well. It’s going to be really nice.
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1 minute ago, BillsPride12 said:
That's the first time I've heard anything like that about the new stadium. Sounds cool. Can you elaborate on that at all?
It was the first that I heard it also. It has the Kleinhans shape and “look” from the outside. I didn’t see as much of the Aud. They just mentioned it as we were going through. I forgot about the Rockpile influence as well. You see that in the entrances. It looks a lot like the Rockpile.
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5 minutes ago, billsfan89 said:
This team did find Gabe Davis in round 4 and Shakir in round 5. I know Gabe wasn’t the WR2 that the team needed him to be in 2022. But Gabe was still a productive WR.I think that the McBeane track record on mid round selections is better than average. In rounds 4-5 from 2017 on the team has drafted 11 players the team has found Milano, Taron Johnson, Shakir, and Gabe Davis and a good role player in Neal with the jury still out on Shorter.
That’s a 40% hit rate on finding starters and a 50% hit rate on finding productive players (taking out Shorter from the calculation). And while Teller wasn’t a hit for the Bills he was a good player the Bills traded too soon.
So I think I actually value selections in the mid rounds as it seems like McBeane seems to find good players there.
I think that there’s a chance that the Bills take a guy in that range. They don’t have the luxury of a 40% chance at WR. They don’t have the depth to take that chance. They MAYBE could have rolled the dice on that when Diggs was here. That would have been a bad strategy but possible. Now, they need 2 that they know can play.
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4 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Kirby said nobody was hiding anything. But in truth, if he’s correct, then Pegula is in fact hiding/avoiding revenue sharing. Now, I’m not saying that’s good, bad, or unusual but this whole PSL thing is one big dodge at its core.
There are other revenues that aren’t subject to revenue sharing. Advertising and sponsorships, for example aren’t shared. That’s why teams try to sell “soft” assets. As an example, if Highmark is going to pay the Bills $10m a year (or whatever) the Bills are going to try to allocate as much of that as possible to advertising. They don’t want them buying $10M worth of tickets.
Basically NFL teams get a different percentage of money depending on what it is spent on. This is the biggest reason that the Bills needed a new stadium. Teams were outpacing them with local revenue (nonshared). That revenue DOES still drive the cap. So the cap will continue to rise. While the Bills will get their equal share of the national revenue, the gap, over time, will continue to widen if teams keep growing their local revenue. The NFL owners wanted a new stadium because they wanted the Bills contributing more shared revenue on the ticket front. The more that the Bills charge, the more they’re contributing to the shared revenue pool. -
2 hours ago, starrymessenger said:
To me, Odunze and Nabers are as bust proof as MHJ. That's an easy call imo. What's more difficult is to speculate on which one will be a better pro. I think Odunze could possibly transition the best of the three, though all should be great.
He’s my number 2. I really like all 3. I wouldn’t be shocked if Nabers or Odunze ended up as the best WR in the class. I’d be shocked if MHJ wasn’t really good. That’s why he’s my number 1.
For me Harrison coming through Ohio State and having his dad in the HOF makes him the safest. I’m biased as an Ohio State fan but it also means I’ve seen a ton of him. He’s 1,200 yards and 8 plus TDs as a rookie.-
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36 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
Kirby, I’m not trying be snarky, but isn’t Pegula avoiding revenue sharing the very definition of ‘hiding’? 😉 And as regards the price to the ticket holder there’s a reason why when you see a car lease offer the monthly payment is shown in BIG bold font, and the down payment is ‘hidden’ in LITTLE hard to read font.
So unless your private seat license allows you to go in and eat cheese sandwich in your private seat on an odd Thursday in May, when there isn’t a game/event happening….then it really is nothing more than a hidden ticket price. No?
I mean, not really. Most owners go that route with new stadiums. It isn’t a secret that the PSLs come off of the owner’s contribution to the stadium. It isn’t ideal but we knew a decade ago that this would eventually be the case.
I equate the PSL to buying a car new. Once you drive it off the lot it’s value drops drastically. You then put 20,000 miles a year on the first 3 years and it just isn’t close to what you paid. After a handful more years, it’s basically worthless. That’s why you aren’t buying it as an investment. You’re buying it because you want to be in the stadium for all Bills games. I guess by that logic, it is another ticket fee.
It’s like the initiation fee at a country club. You still have to pay your monthly dues, any assessments that come around and fees for different services. All that the initiation fee does is give you the right to pay those other fees.
34 minutes ago, JDHillFan said:What are your impressions of the stadium outside of seat cost? The model??
It looked awesome. They walk you through how it is built a certain way to redirect wind. They talk about how the appearance is inspired by Kleinhans and the Aud. I thought that was all pretty sweet. The attention to detail was so far beyond what we currently have. I guess that isn’t a surprise with a 52 year old stadium. It looks like it will be one of the nicer stadiums in the league.
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3 minutes ago, NoSaint said:
ouch. That’s a steep jump. Essentially tripling your cost?I haven’t done all of the math yet but yeah. It’s not pretty
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13 minutes ago, plenzmd1 said:
3 years interest free is a no brainer
Yep, that’s the route that we are going to go when we eventually commit to something.
11 minutes ago, papazoid said:bills will be cracking down on ticket brokers/ frequent nfl ticket exchange listers....just like they recently did with sabres STH
anyone who thinks they will buy tix in the new stadium only to resell most of them are in for rude awakening
buy a NY State Brokers License or not be able to buy tickets....which may lead to losing your PSL
The people buying those will be some of their broker partners. The Bills have had some broker partner relationships that date back to the Super Bowl years. They will have a certain amount of seats that those people will have access to.
I’d venture to say that they are incentivized by discounting the PSL based on the number of seats that they buy. As an example, if they have someone that has 500 season tickets, they may only charge them for 400 PSLs. They may give them 10 years interest free or whatever. I don’t know exactly how they engage brokers but there is strategy to it in all cases. It’s tough in the NFL because you can’t discount tickets with revenue sharing. There’s no reason that you couldn’t make a deal on the PSLs though.
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1 minute ago, Einstein said:
Yes, IF you ignore these 3 factors:
1) If you count pre-season. I wouldn't.
2) And if you pay cash (most will finance is my guess).
3) And if you don't take into account opportunity cost, which would be approximately $181,260 over 30 years. Some of this will be offset by hedging against inflation.3 years and it is interest free. It’s like 10.5% if you do the 10 year finance. They said very few people have gone the finance route so far.
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2 minutes ago, SoCal Deek said:
I’m going to assume you’re correct, but the cost of seats in the current stadium isn’t really relevant. As I see it the PSL is way of hiding the actual ticket cost while at the same time getting a long term commitment upfront. A word to the wise: Your life is going to change drastically over the span of thirty years! Getting effectively married to a plastic seat with built in cup holders may not be the wisest commitment.
It’s not hiding anything. It is done that way to avoid revenue sharing. The PSL offsets a portion of Pegula’s cost to build the new stadium. It’s the cost of entry if you want to be in. It’s not uncommon at all. The areas yet to be released will come with lower price tags.
Are you going to get your money back out on the PSL? No. Maybe if you can buy those lower level clubs at midfield, that’ll keep some of its value. Ticket brokers could be interested in that because they can get a ton of money of a per ticket basis there. That’s the only place that will somewhat hold its value. No one is buying a PSL as an investment though.
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Just now, SoCal Deek said:
So if these are being sold for a 30 year lifespan and there are 10 home games a year (300 total games) then a $20,000 PSL essentially raises your ticket price by $75.00 per game.
Basically, and the ticket prices in the new stadium are roughly double what they are now for these same seats. I think that the face value of my seats now are about $300 a game. In the new stadium they are like $550 I think (plus the license fee).
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1 hour ago, Einstein said:
Just teasing, but that is funny that they (i'm sure 'casually') told you that.
If it isn't heated or covered, why can't you see the field? What is the obstruction? And what is the benefit?
Ahh.
So the seats are just normal outdoor seats (such as rows 1-10 right now at Rich) on the sideline?
They are only "club" because you can go inside to get food ... but no heat, or covering.The “they’re selling fast” should be prefaced by there are about 5,500 seats in the East Club. That’s the equivalent of the sideline clubs now. By my math there are currently about 8,500 sideline club seats. There are 450 Founders Club seats I think that they said. They’re banking on people electing better locations vs. covered and heated.
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4 minutes ago, nucci said:
thanks for info. Why have a club located where you can't see the field?
You can from the seats just not from the club. It’s like it is now. The new clubs are glass on both sides so that you can watch the game if you’re sitting at a table. They looked nice.
Just now, Virgil said:Are the seats in the lower bowl, the first 30 rows from the field, are those part of the new club seats that cost 20k per?
The lower bowl club is between the. 40’s it looked like and $15k per. Not sure of the row numbers. The lower bowl won’t be covered but most of the rest of the stadium will be.
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Okay so I have some updates. The $50k Founders Seats are sold out. The East Club goes end zone to end zone. They have only released the sections between the 20’s so far. They’re selling fast. Still the $20k per seat there. I’m hoping that as you get closer to the end zone those PSLs drop so we did not commit yet. If they keep it there we will have a decision to make but I suspect that those will be lower in price which is why they didn’t yet release them. That’s what we are banking on anyways. Apparently we keep our place in line when that happens.
The lower level clubs looked pretty cool but you can’t see the field from the club. You watch the teams though as they go out. They aren’t covered or heated but include food and Pepsi products ($15k PSL here). 64% of the stadium will be covered.
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Vikings?
followed by Raiders and Chiefs
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8 hours ago, SirAndrew said:
It’s missing the option of only trading up for MHJ. I’m staying put at 28 if I can’t get Harrison. He’s the only guy I’d make a big move for. I don’t think there’s enough separation with the others to justify moving up. Harrison is going to be special, the rest have equal boom/bust potential.
He’s certainly 1 for me too. The biggest difference between MHJ and the other top guys is that he’s basically “bust proof.” He has a HOF pedigree, elite physical traits and is polished. He’s also come through a WR factory and we have watched those guys transition seamlessly into the NFL. In my opinion, Harrison’s floor is Amari Cooper’s career. Basically, he will always be a top 10ish WR. At his ceiling he is a HOF player. There are other guys in this draft with that upside but they all come with a lower floor.
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10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:
Okay, so this is a bit of a LAMP...... but it's Parliamentary recess here in the UK so my days are much quieter and I though I'd have a look back at the 2023 TSW Virgil Mocks.
In version 1 I GM'd the Steelers and selected Broderick Jones at #17
In version 2 I GM'd the Packers and selected Lukas Van Ness at #15
In the real draft both teams traded UP Green Bay to 13 and Pittsburgh to 14 to select exactly those two players. So if you want to get your money on Newton to the Rams now is your chance 😂
In version 3 I went Jalen Carter over Witherspoon to the Seahawks sadly. Broke my streak.
I had the Panthers and took Stroud over Bryce Young. 🤷🏻♂️
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College basketball was once great. It isn’t anymore. The best talents aren’t there long (if at all). They are also spread wider with NIL. The quality is poor. The first weekend of March Madness is still exciting but that’s it. It’s the equivalent of the MLB playoffs when the Yankees aren’t in for me. I’ll check in on games, make a few bets but might be folding laundry while that’s happening.
I have so many sporting leagues/events rated ahead of college basketball. The only reason that it’s even watchable is March Madness and even that is watered down. I have it behind (in no particular order): college football, nfl, nba, nhl, mlb, international soccer, and professional golf. There are other one off events that I’ll watch before a regular season college basketball game.
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I’m either team “big move up” or team “2 guys by 50.” I want either one of the big 3 (and another WR shortly thereafter) or 2 of the next 8.
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9 minutes ago, Einstein said:
If youre looking for suggestions, East Club has my vote.
The heat and coverage is irreplaceable.That’s what we have now but by the goal line (so significantly less). That’s where we are leaning but $20k each is steep. I was hoping if we gave up some yardage that would be $10k-$15k. I haven’t heard that though. Heat and covered are so important to us though that we may stretch.
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1 hour ago, Mr Info said:
It will be interesting to hear which sections are now unavailable in the East Clubs. When I committed two weeks ago there were 3 sections sold out. Reply about that if the rep says something.
For sure!! Appreciate the heads up.
13 minutes ago, papazoid said:what is the "fee" the bills PSL Agent charges to complete/record a "TRANSFER" of the psl from an aftermarket transaction.....the agreement does not say
I’ll ask
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I’m going tomorrow with no idea what we are going to do. There’s really 3 options and each has flaws. 1) East Club - heated, covered, most expensive. 2) Field Club - great location, less expensive, not heated or covered 3) Wait and slide into the corners somewhere. Hoping to still be covered but probably sacrificing heat and amenities.
I’ll report back with whatever I learn.
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PSL Pricing/Seat Selection Discussion
in The Stadium Wall
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It’s one of the “dirty little secrets.” Teams have as many, or as few, broker seats as they want. My guess on the Sabres “crackdown” is that they just CAN’T continue to have that many Leaf fans in the building. That last game was embarrassing. You live with 50/50 in those situations but that game was like 80/20 for the visitors. It was too much.
This is a total guess but maybe 2k-5k broker seats in the new stadium. They’ll probably limit it to 20 or so partners so that they can control it.