Miyagi-Do Karate
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Nice version.
The reality is that both the bye week bound defensively oriented 9ers and the possibly playoff bound defensively oriented Bengals wanted Whitner while the defensively challenged Bills thought they would be fine without a guy of his caliber. At least they will be able to watch him in the playoffs.
Nice try.
The truth is that both of these teams were in dire need of a safety. They were totally desperate. Out of desperation, they called Whitner, who had been sitting at home with no suitors.
See this article, for example:
"Both the 49ers and Bengals had weak-looking safety groups heading into the day, which makes the loss sting even more for Cincinnati."
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/08/04/donte-whitner-changes-course-joins-49ers/
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I disagree with the OP's sentiment.
1) Chan is the best playcaller we've had in years. It is as if many of you have forgotten the last 15 years. Other than 1 good year with Killdrive, Chan has overseen one of the most prolific offenses we've all seen in a while.
2) It's also no coincidence that the grumbling over the playcalling started and some of our offensive woes started after we were totally decimated by injuries. That's been a key factor in the snide. You're not going to run your full arsenal of plays without your speed receivers, starting RB, and starting TE.
3) I also think the run/pass ratio has been fine. I would argue that it's been the case that our rushing has been so effective in light of the fact that we pass more. Our passing game has opened up our running game. For example, we've been super effective running out of obvious passing formations (e.g., lot of 4-WR runs, shotgun hand-offs).
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The bye week called and it said Donte can be reached there soon.
If I were to accept your post I would conclude that:
All 16 non-Whitner pro bowlers from the 9ers are new players for whom the 9ers were in a bidding war
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Harbaugh is a puppet....and a genius......and a puppet.
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The Bengals are stupid when it comes to defense
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Coaches of good defensive teams are always swimming upstream against bad front offices.
And the proof of all of this is that you watch a lot of TV.
:wallbash: I don't understand your argument about this so-called bidding war over Donte by the Bengals and the 49ers.
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Whatever Darin. You're missing the point.
JR asked the question and the answer is no.
Whitner was one of the worst ball athletes to play safety for the Buffalo Bills… ever.
Not only would he not ever sit on a throw, jump a route, or bait a quarterback… but if the ball hit him in the hands he would drop it.
We're talking about a guy who has 7 career interceptions in a 6 year career.
That's in 83 career games, the vast majority as a starter.
well said, brother!
Look--I even liked Whitner when he was here, and thought we should have re-signed him at a modest price. But he's not even half the player than Wilson is.
As you correctly point out, 7 career picks...unreal. I bet Ngata has more picks than that.
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Rogers on Welker.
Sheppard on Hernandez.
Kelsay on Gronkowski.
This is going to be one heck of a game.
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One thing is pretty clear… Donte has a much better supporting cast than he did in Buffalo.
It's fair to say that like Jim Leonhard, Whitner can thrive on a good defensive team.
I think it's pretty clear also that he's not a difference maker on a weak defensive team.
That's why when Whitner left I thought he should have signed somewhere like Baltimore or Pittsburgh, and play next to an all-pro safety. I think Whitner playing along side a real playmaker like Reed or Polamalu would have turned him into a pretty good player.
I understand he's a pro bowl alternate, but I've also seen enough San Fran games this year to know he's the same old average player. Decent safety; doesn't make any plays, unless a QB overthrows a ball by 30 yards and it hits him in the chest.
Has anyone ever seen Whitner make a pick like the one Byrd made on Sunday against the Broncos, or the one that Wilson made in the first Pats game when he snatched a ball from Gronkowski at the goal line?
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I was always a huge Donte Whitner supporter. I thought the Bills made a big mistake. I didn't see the light until a few weeks went by this season. George Wilson is clearly better than Whitner. He makes plays. I still say Whitner is better against the run and more versatile. But as far as overall and being a difference maker, clearly Wilson.
I don't know about that. I always see Wilson flying around and making big tackles on running plays.
Whitner, if I recall, would just get pancaked by RB's, or make tackles 10 yards down field.
I'm not willing to give Whitner any advantage over Wilson. Wilson has made more plays this season than Whitner has in his entire career.
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I took Sproles with the last pick of my dynasty auction league, for a contract price of $1. He was one of the top RB's in our league (PPR).
It was dumb luck by me, but Sproles is a money fantasy player in PPR leagues-- he must get 7-8 receptions per game.
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I'm sorry, but the guy is still a very average player, and has benefited from being in an excellent defense.
He's not a playmaker of any kind and certainly doesn't belong in a discussion with the league's top-15 safeties.
Ask the 49ers if they'd rather have Whitner or George Wilson (or Byrd)? They would send Whitner on the first plane out of San Fran for George Wilson.
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Anyone that thinks Stevie isn't worth top dollar is out of their mind. He's dropped a few he should've had but where would we be if he caught them?!?! Not in the playoffs. If we lose Stevie we are left with what?!?!?! Plus the most important thing that people overlook is that the guy actually takes pride in being on the Bills and he loves being on this team. Can't say that for a lot of good players that we lost because they didn't want to be here!!!!! He may not be a top 5 wideout but he deserves to be paid along with other #1's.
Amen to this.
SJ is a stud, is likeable, and wants to be here.
This should be a no-brainer for the Bills' FO.
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How can we count on Bell? If he's asking for back-up type money, then sign him, because he's basically a back-up in light of how few games he plays.
Wood's injuries are more of the fluke variety-- he got his leg rolled over on twice. Bad luck. He's a keeper.
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I agree 100% Not resigning Greer was a major blunder by the Bills. If I remember correctly, Greer came into the league as an UDFA, so resigning him wouldn't have cost an arm & a leg, like resigning someone like Nate Clements or Darelle Revis (former 1st round picks).
That's not what happened. The choice was between re-signing Greer an re-signing McGee, and the Bills picked McGee. They had already invested heavily at corner with McKelvin, so they (sensibly) felt they couldn't pay big money to 3 corners.
The problem was that they chose wrong. A healthy McGee is better than a healthy Greer, but McGee has always been banged up.
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I totally disagree and totally agree.
1) RB's: agree. They are a dime a dozen. I'd rather not waste a 7th round pick on one let alone a 1st round pick.
2) CB's: disagree. The best corners in the league are high picks. There's not a lot of bust potential for CB's (McKelvin is one of the few exceptions, go figure). And since CB's are so expensive on the FA market, you're better off just drafting replacements and letting guys walk once their rookie contracts expire.
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This is all market-based, as it should be. Bills can sell more seats and make more money by banning smoking.
If the Bills could make more money by banning alcohol consumption, they'd do that too.
The OP's response is the correct one. He didn't like the policy, so he didn't renew.
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Could it just be that once in a while a player just has a really good game?
Kelsay played his game of the year.
As I am told often at work when I do something right, "even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while."
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After I had a chance to review the Bills game I noticed this guy on almst every play push the dt at least 5 yds back and get to the second level on few other plays. He also did a good job in pass pro. I think we have something in this kid. The guy is huge he looks like a OT playing center. I'm looking forward to seeing him play against Vince Wilfork in the season finale.
Agreed. The guy can play.
Makes me think we have solid depth on the o-line.
5 solid starters, and then Brown, Rhinehart, and Hairston as back-ups.
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Yea but the same can be said about Jabari Greer- Jim Leonhard- Donte Whitner- Poz-Maybin all playing for top defenses. So OP might just have a valid point about how crappy Bills coaches have been.
Look at Marshawn Lynch 1000 yards rushing and 11 TD's, good thing the bills got a 4th rounder for the 8th ranked RB in the league
At least with Lynch, being a running back ain't that hard. I think some coach in Seattle told him the obvious-- just run straight ahead and quit dancing.
Same goes with McGahee.
Both of those guys have simply changed their running style from side-to-side dancers, into north-south runners. I have no idea why it took them 5+ years to figure that out.
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Yes.
We would, in any event, waste those picks. Might as well trade them for one good player.
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This would be a good signing if it were 2008.
Has this guy done anything for the last few years?
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Nice to see the Bucknell game televised on ESPN-U.
I actually thought the defense looked lousy. Bucknell had so many wide open looks it was ridiculous--too bad for them they couldn't make any of them. Offense though was still humming.
Nice to see Christmas getting some PT. I wish he were getting more. Based on the fact that he's gotten almost no serious minutes, once BE season starts, he's going to be useless.
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Was the defense in the miami game really better? They gave up 258 yards rushing. On a related topic, Bryan Scott was a disaster in that game. He gave up two huge passing plays on that first drive - the first via an ill-timed decision to go for an INT, the second because he bit on play action and let Fasano get wide open in the end zone. A lot of people have criticized Stevie Johnsom without mentioning Scott despite the fact that Scott's miscues were far more egregious.
Agreed--Scott was noticeably horrendous.
Even though he showed flashes against the Chargers, he was also abused many times during that game.
I actually think he's an okay player, but just constantly asked to do more than his skill set allows.
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Here is a good and timely article about the type of organizational dysfunction that can afflict NFL teams:
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/On-the-Firing-Line-9215.html
Here is the key excerpt which I think sheds light on the Bills' problems:
The key to sustained success in the NFL is having buy-in from all three facets, with a singular focus and purpose. For instance, if a team is a "draft and develop" team reflecting a philosophy of the general manager to build from within – as the Packers – the coach and the contracts person (which I was in Green Bay) have to operate with that philosophy front of mind.
The coaching staff must be willing to play young players and suffer through such inexperience. They must accept that they will not be rewarded with quick fixes or insurance policies to plug holes due to injury. "Draft and develop" coaching staffs must trust their scouts and must be willing to endure growing pains on the fly. Similarly, the contract side of the organization must allocate resources to securing core young players for the long-term rather than chasing high-priced players from other teams in free agency.
I just think that's not the issue. Green Bay won the Superbowl last year with the highest number of IR'd players in the league. If you have depth and a solid system, you can overcome injuries. Although my suspicion is that the Bills' players don't get injured more, they just get IR'd more, because OBD doesn't believe that they'll need those players in late December and January and they want a chance to look at the young, cheaper replacements to see whether a change can be made.
Honestly, it's easy for Green Bay to preach this when the only reason they win is because they have an all-world QB. They'd be an 8-8 team (probably worse) without Rodgers.
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It's a lack of investment.
I don't think it's a lack of investment, it's just bad investment decisions.
Look at the Steelers--they let star players walk all the time (e.g., a lot of their star LB's like Chad Brown, LeVon Kirkland, Kendrell Bell, Greg Lloyd, etc.)--but because they have a replacement plan.
The key is you draft a core of key guys, and try to hang on to them. Maybe there are guys that you would love to hang onto, but are too costly--then you plan by drafting their replacements.
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Yeah, we should redo it and draft Cam. !@#$ing brilliant.
In this re-do scenario, we also have the #1 overall pick.
I also think we could trade Roscoe and a 4th to move back into the 1st round and get Dareus.
So, in hindsight, I like our chances much better with Cam and Dareus.
Who should I watch in Bowl games
in The Stadium Wall Archives
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would be a perfect fit here; we will have a spot for him on IR with the rest of the team.