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The last QB with Kelly in his name was okay if I recall....Holcomb would be a good #2... Kelly's stats

Very good point FFS--the money the Bills invest in a vet QB has to be considered when calculating Drew's cap "savings"..that's true in any position a team cuts for which they have to find a replacement...we need 3 QB's on the roster--is that JP and two vets at $1.5 million or less (Shane Matthews and another QB from your list)...under a scenario like this--even with Drew's cap hit the Bills are probably spending less on the position than probably a third of the league...

Is that Carson Palmer kid staying at USC? Maybe if NE cuts Bledsoe we could get him..

John this is on the nose...but its not just TD seeing it. Its Mularkey, Clements and Wyche. The season has been evaluated in the last two weeks and its been determined that what we saw from Drew this year is probably as good as it gets and that there are three other things in play.. 1) Drew is taking up too much cap room for this level of play. 2) Putting JP on the field now won't be a substantial short term drop off, and will have obvious long term benefit. 3) there are plenty of back-ups out there who we can bring in to be #2 (including bringing Matthews back) This will sound strange -- but if Drew and Dunn refuse to renegotiate -- they may actually pay Drew the bonus and then cut him after June 1--it lowers the dead money from about $4.3 million in '05 to $2.9 Million in each of '05 and '06 this actually would free up a little cap money in '05 because Drew's base (as others have pointed out) would now be even more than the dead money hit.. ...We need to restructure Moulds to get $'s for LT, DT (either resign Jennings and/or Williams or their replacements) and to address other holes (TE, K(maybe), LG, OL depth)... I bet Drew rescinds a large portion of the roster bonus and stays with the team so he can compete for the starter's role. As other's have pointed out--he won't get close to what he is making the next two years with the Bills from anyone else--of course the guy is financially set--so having a legit chance to start may be the motivator--it will be interesting to see how this situation evolves...

He smokes dope and needs psychiatric care like Ricky or runs like Ricky...

Henry for Seth McKinney and their 3rd rounder.....there is not much cap implication on either side. McKinney did a good job at C this year and can play G as well. He fits the nasty Tucker, Chris V mode you want in an interior OL.

Other than the fact that he played in the NFL for 9 years--you just described Mike Mularkey...good post TJ...

Breaking news on Leinhart... All Leinhart all the time every thread

Too Funny T-80.... Although, I am embarassed that I posted basically the same thought as the premise of this uncessary thread on one of the other threads....bless me father for I have sinned ---I shouldn't have posted today...

Maybe drafting Losman in '04 wasn't such a bad idea--this doesn't look like a very deep QB pool...

I have a confession to make...I have now come to the realization that all the following QB's were good: 1) Bart Starr 2) Johnny U 3) Roger Staubach okay fast forward a bit... 4) Joe Montana 5) John Elway 6) Dan Marino 7) #12 in your program but #1 to all of us... 8) Steve Young... You get the picture God, I feel so much better purging my soul like this...

Another miracle--congratulations to you and your wife Mike....

So what is the minimum you would accept for Travis....I think the minimum is a first day pick this year. The underclass declarations will make this an okay draft --I would like to have three picks on the first day. So I say a third round '05 minimum.

You need to reread this thread that was my only point of reference--I usually don't take notes on other threads...some on this board advocate that the only way to develop JP is throw him into the starter's role and that is the only way he will develop. I can't speak for AD's intent in his orginial post or his reply but I can tell you that my only meaning was that this is not the sole way to develop a QB and that a lot young QB's sans Big Ben and Harrington as you correctly point out during his first two years--tend to take a beating. David Carr is a good but very extreme example of this. He has never QB'd a team to a winning record. Jax and Carolina were both playoff teams by their third year in the league...and Neither Mark Brunnell or Kerry Collins got sacked 75 times their first year...David Carr still has happy feet in the pocket...so different guys develop in different ways...I leave to our staff to figure out the best way to develop JP--not the unpaid QB coaches on this board...

Sure, I'll defend it--Sacks aren't the only indication of how many times a QB gets hit the last I checked ajzepp, its just how many hits he takes when he happens to possess the ball-in Harrington's case he took 36 sacks this year...plus if you watched the Indy game on thanksgiving he was a ragdoll when he was in there--Drew took 37 sacks--not a lot of difference...-plus AD's original comment was that throwing a young highly drafted QB in there early may not be the sole way of developing his talent. I was agreeing with that assessment. Do you think Eli Manning starts the year next year with a conviction that: 1) He has players around him who can help him win? 2) He has experienced great success against all types of NFL defenses? Its really nice to say that true development only comes from facing live fire--but is that really the case...if so defend it...

You mean its not always a good idea for a young guy to get his brains beat in and think that he can't beat even the worst defenses? Geez, who'd of thunk it? Thanks AD...

This issue has been discussed ad naseum but I don't think polled recently...what do we do with the LT situation. Continuity is a big contributor to increased productivity on the OL. I try my best to get Jonas to sign a top 10 contract for LT's instead of a top 5 contract--that still means something like: 6 years, $12 Million multi-tiered bonus, $30 million total contract value. With salary escalations something like: year 1: $10 M SB, $1 M salary, year 2: $1 M roster bonus, $2 M salary, year 3 $1 M roster bonus, $3 M salary, year 4 $1 M roster bonus, $3 Million salary; Year 5 $4 Million Salary; Year 6 $5 Million Salary....This is about 15% below the contract signed by John Tait last year--and a reasonable figure for Jonas given his normal 14 game seasons. I also try to give Marcus price a bit of a bump--probably 3 years, $6 Million, $2M bonus and salaries of $750K (Vet min); $1.25M, 2M in each year. First year cap hits are Jennings: $2.7 Million, Price $1.5 Million--reasonable given our cap space....

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Yogi is misquoted more than any human alive---I admit I took poetic license with Yogi's statements...I think I have a future with CBS News or the New York Times.

Go to the local Waffle House Come on take a stand...for once in your life be decisive

Right wing nut jobs (JP supporters) and left wing sympathizers (Bledsoe lovers) listen up...let's establish two things: 1) Experience in the NFL, particularly 12 years experience at the QB position, does make one more prepared to handle the position than a season on the active roster, half of which was spent rehabbing from an injury. 2) Young JP is very talented -- he has more athletic skills than #11 at this point in Drew's career (arguably than Drew ever had) but in the words of Yogi Berra--this position in 50 percent mental, 50 percent physical and 50 percent other things..... JP has to win the job in camp--on the field...we can stoke our keys all we want--nothing changes this fact....

I knew someone would make the connection..... It took the power of veggie tales and the cheeseburger song..

2006 offseason--Jerry Gray named Head Coach of the Tennessee Titans...

In honor of one of Wayne's business interests--how about The Dumpster...adding the roof gives the stadium a lid..instead of just being a yard container...