JoeF

Richard Hertz

Good points. It would be interesting to see the list beyond the top 5 to see how many starters contributors came from later in the draft. The draft a crap shoot at best--but in the days of the cap--you better be successful at picking contributors no matter what draft position you have because you need guys who can at least contribute during their early and cheap years in order to win and to acheive cost balance on your roster. You can't buy or acquire established talent at more than 5 or 6 positions--young guys have to come through...For every Takeo Spikes you need a Terrence McGee and a Ron Edwards to step up...

Just wanted to wake up everyone who was hungover on a Saturday morning...Can't we have some fun....unfortunately this is not the most ridiculous scenario I have seen posted in the last few months....

With TD anything is within the realm of possibility. That is why I will be at least keeping an eye on the draft even though as it stands right now, we won't pick until 5-6 PM ET or so a week from today. Here's one----McNally covets Khalif Barnes and somewhat Alex Barron -- if you remember after the combine he was comparing Barnes to what he saw from Anothony Munoz. The great thing about Barnes is that he is projected to go anywhere from the early twenties to the early 30's....This will be a cheap price for a left tackle for 5 years....around $2.5 Million a year average... 1) Trade Henry and #86 (3rd round) to Eagles for #31 2) Trade Clements to Washington for #9 and #112 (4th round)- Snyder would easily do this. 3) Trade #9 to KC so they can draft a top flight corner for #15 and #46--it fills KC's one remaining need...Kiper has Pac Man Jones at 9 So now we have #15, #31, #46, #55, #112, #122.....we have Vincent to play corner, we have Baker to play safety...at #15 we draft Carlos Rogers-CB Auburn to groom to replace Vincent at CB-Rogers fits our D and is battle tested--he immediately steps in at #3 and maybe gives McGee a run for his money at #2. At #31 we draft Khalif Barnes to groom at LT. At #46, we draft the best interior OL available (Spencer, Bass, etc) to compete at C and at #55 if available we draft Nugent...Three solid rookies--all good charachter all not having to start right away-but all add serious depth and perhaps the best kicker in the draft in a long time... It would be just like TD--start the draft thinking you won't have to pick until 6 PM and then have 4 picks by that time There is virtually no cap hit to trading Clements and Henry so you have the rookie cap to afford this after the trades....if we are going to play hot stove league you guys need to get a bit more off the wall!!! Its fun to be crazy isn't it.... This would be TD's coup de grais...

Kelly, sorry I misread your initial response. So the only thing i have in reply is that I am not sure the NFL has any policy about making this stuff public. In fact it would probably violate HIPAA regulations since its medical data for the league to do this. Noone from the NFL ever confirmed any incidents with Sapp, etc if I recall correctly. They were all media speculation without confirmation. While the threat of this becoming public is realistically strong--the kid still took the time to write to all 32 teams to admit his mistake. Contrast that to Barry Bonds who still hasn't admitted something that appears in court documents or Jason Giambi who for all his press conferences still hasn't said outright that he is a user...I think this kid is making a meaningful effort to own up to this and is displaying some high charachter in comparison to lots of others...again just my take...

I tend to agree with Kelly and frogger on this one. Three things about this situation: 1) The kid owned up to the issue before it became public and admitted his mistake. 2) He and his coach both collaborate that he did not use them during the season but afterward to assist in recovery of an injury 3) Everything I have read about him says good kid, good player It would be niave to assume this is the first kid that was a user at the time of the draft-- He's a talented kid---who took responsibility for his actions--if he becomes good value--which most pundits say is anything lower than the second round with him--I say get him to Buffalo--

Castillo juicing From all accounts a good kid..but this will hurt his status. Several of us have speculated he would look good the Red and Blue

I think we should change it to Big Cat

Shroom Boom Expect some incoherent posts from our Alaskan friend(s)...will we notice the difference Just Kidding AD--don't terminate this....

This is beyond the vendetta stage...there has got to be some history here. Maybe when TD's grandfather was Governor of PA, he incarcerated Sully's grandfather for stupidity or something. Blaming TD for drafting McGahee---good God--this man is an idiot...

Not a good time to be a wildcat in Wisconson Article snipet... Feline lovers holding pictures of cats, clutching stuffed animals and wearing whiskers faced-off against hundreds of hunters at meetings around Wisconsin to voice their opinion on whether to legalize cat hunting. Residents in 72 counties were asked whether free-roaming cats — including any domestic cat that isn't under the owner's direct control or any cat without a collar — should be listed as an unprotected species. If listed as so, the cats could be hunted. The proposal was one of several dozen included in a spring vote on hunting and fishing issues held by the Wisconsin Conservation Congress. The results, only advisory, get forwarded to the state Natural Resources Board.

Breaking news from the Research Triangle Region of NC...... A massive pile up on I-40 was triggered this morning when a group of Hell's Angels collided with an animal transport truck and an ice transport vehicle. The resulting pandelerium caused pigs to fly and hells froze over.... I heard from a confidential source that eating lots of McDonald's super size meals will make you fat.....I also heard TD told the truth once during the month leading up to the draft. Twelve years ago he stated that Bill Cowher had a rare disease called jet jaw that will prove fatal over time. Cowher was so upset that he eventually got TD fired.... The guy who started the rumor on bb.com said he is studying to be a sports agent someday. He got a good start on his apprenticeship by spreading his first whooper...

Deepest sympathy and lots of prayers for you and your family.

No kidding--where do I sign up for a Bermuda casino and bet against myself on that one...

April, April -not Bobby April but the month-look at the Calendar before posting...I am a goober....

While its fun to speculate this time of year...I don't believe even a quarter of the stuff that TD says in the media, on bb.com, in Bills digest or to his wife, mother and kids this time of year. I will make two predictions: 1) We will draft someone that is very obscure like McGee two years ago. He wasn't even in the Pro Football Weekly top 30 CB's in 2003. 2) Travis Henry will not be a Bill on March (I meant APRIL, ) 25, 2005

Plus we have Tory Woodbury.... Tory Woodbury Just a question of whether we want to bring 4 or 5 to camp. Might be a subtle indication of how much they plan to work the passing game in camp.

Age, Skills, support in the run game, potential difference maker on special teams...all factors...Nate is simply a better player

I would only consider this if Dan Snyder offered more than his first. TD vs. Snyder in a negotiation like this would be fun to see. Snyder is a pretty formidable business guy but the football team is his toy and when he covets a guy he overpays.... So how about their first and their third this year and maybe a conditional '06 pick based on Nate's playing time in '05--up to a second.

Have you looked at Lenny P???...

Other thread Mark, agree with your post. But I also think this is partially Lenny P. continuing to be TD's B word.....

I have read two places where Jones has a shoulder injury that has hung around for a while. One was from Mort who claimed the shoulder injury hurt him being viewed as a QB. The other is in the Pro Football Weekly draft guide which I just picked up today at the local Barnes and Noble. On the good side, the PFW guide said the kid plays hurt on the bad side it said he doesn't always play hard. They rated him late 2nd, early 3rd as a TE. By the way, the PFW book is still the best mass market draft publication available even after Joel B's untimely death two years ago.

Its hard to do investigative reporting with his head so far up TD's anal orifice...and that's one big noggin Lenny's got by the way.

TD getting Lenny to do his posturing work for him. Not unusual at all. Now I am sure this trade is going to happen and the swap of seconds is included.

Sorry Dan--did not mean to offend you at all....