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31 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Should the Chiefs be worried that they threw for only 177 yards against the Texans? The folks that need to give it a rest are those who, despite knowing what Brady's style was going to be since before the season, persist in not acknowledging it.
Because it was different when we played them in the regular season.
Not really- go back to that game. There were a lot of early down runs and the bills were in 3rd and long a ton .
Josh was a magician that game
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27 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
You seem to want to be deliberately obtuse. Youa re assuming the Bills offense will have the same plan this coming Sunday as they did this past Sunday. This past Sunday it was clear their plan was to be conservative, focus the defense on stopping Henry, and let Lamar and the Ravens make mistakes. Which they did. Will that be the same plan against the Chiefs? No. Because they aren't the same team and will require a different plan. Like the plan used earlier this year when we beat them.
Believe me, i am very familiar with the Joe Brady offence and the everybody eats.
One week against Detroit they attack their linebackers, then maybe against the jets you attack them with the run game. I 100 percent understand how he works.Why do you feel like this game plan will be different against the Chiefs? Ravens have the number 1 rush defence and the bills ran a ton on them. Both when they were trailing, tied or leading.
So yes the conservative offence has me a bit concerned- Because why should I feel like they are suddenly going to air the ball out? especially when their last 3 playoff games going back to last year, says they want to keep things tighter towards the chest
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5 minutes ago, mjt328 said:
I was frustrated with the conservative play-calling during the game as well.
But on looking back, it probably wasn't as significant as we are all making it out to be.
The Bills only had the ball four drives (not counting the kneel down) in the second-half.
- On the first punt/three and out, they threw the ball twice. Dalton Kincaid dropped one. The other Allen was almost sacked.
- The second punt, we were moving. Then the dumb screen to Dawson Knox. But on replay, it's clear Allen checked into that call.
- Third drive was a field goal. 5 runs, 4 passes.
- Fourth drive we got to the 2 yard line. Would have probably gone for it and scored in almost any other situation.
We started the half with an 11 point lead, going against one of the most dangerous offenses in the entire NFL. Much of our success had come on the ground. It's really hard to blame them for trying to bleed clock with the running game, and make sure the Ravens didn't have enough chances to come back.
The one play I really hated was the 3rd-5 screen to Knox. But that wasn't on the coaching staff. That was Allen changing the call to attack a more favorable look. With the scoreboard the way it was, the Bills never NEEDED to open up the offense. If the Ravens had gotten that 2 point conversion, you probably would have seen us go into an attack mode, so we could go down in regulation and win the game.
For sure, all valid points-
I definitely see what Joe Brady was trying to do.
I just disagree with it- As I think trying to sit on a 11 point lead with 30 minutes to go against the number 1 offence, is a dangerous game to play.
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4 minutes ago, Casey D said:
Did you watch the Rams and Lions games?
Good enough. If the Bills did not call that stupid QB run at the 2 with 3 minutes to play and 9 guys in the box and the Ravens LB calling "QB run" and scored a TD, the second half would have been a complete success. O made a mistake there, but far fewer than Ravens which was the goal on a frigid night.
So you are saying you think Joe Brady and Josh Allen were satisfied with 6 points and around 110 yards in the 2nd half?
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5 minutes ago, oldmanfan said:
Ok. Enough already. How many times does it need to be said that Brady is being consistent with what he has said since before the season? Everybody eats. Brady has shown throughout the season that he will devise games plans and call plays based on the defense in front of him. The one constant has been a commitment to a mix of pass and run, but there are games where they will be more run oriented and more conservative with the pass game as they were Sunday, and games where they will be more aggressive with the passing game as they did against the Lions earlier this year. This offense before this past Sunday had I think 10 games in a row scoring over 30 ppg (take out the Pats game with the second stringers).
It is time for fans and media and everyone else to realize this Bills offense is really good. The O line is really good. The RBs are really good. The WRs and TEs are good and both complement the run game and play into the unselfish everybody eats format. And Josh is other worldly.
When did I ever say the bills offence isn't good? It's top 3 in the NFL.
All I said was they didn't play well against Baltimore and they need to play better against KC. Especially in the 2nd half. I'm not too sure why there's such a panic when there is mild criticism towards the bills, especially when the point is pretty objective .
6 points in the 2nd half, with barely over 100 yards. Is that considered good to you?
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58 minutes ago, SoTier said:
Exactly. The Bills' offensive and defensive game plans are tailored specifically for their current opponent, so each game plan is different. Sometimes the offense and/or defense look similar from game to game because of the opponents have similar weaknesses and strength. The Bills are not going to play the same kind of offense and defense against KC as they did against Baltimore because KC isn't Baltimore.
This is the Bills overriding philosophy for every game, and it absolutely works. It means every game requires game plans constructed to exploit each opponent's specific strengths and weaknesses while minimizing stupid plays and mistakes. Too many posters don't understand this.
IMO, Allen and the OL are the Bills deadliest offensive weapons because the Bills can run or pass. When opponents sell out to stop the run, the Bills can counter by passing.
Per the bolded- The ravens strength is their rush D. Number 1 in the nfl if I'm not mistaken . So when you say the bills were exploiting the opponents weakness and us posters don't "understand that", respectfully your point doesn't make sense- Considering they were continuing trying to run against the ravens strength and got very little in the 2nd half.
The results in the 2nd half ? Only one 1st down in the 3rd quarter- 6 total points in the 2nd half- And barely over 100 yards in the 2nd half.You think that's a good game plan? Or do you believe it was poor execution?
Cause objectively , the 2nd half offence wasn't good at all and it almost cost them the game
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6 hours ago, MJS said:
I don't believe this for a second. Allen and the Bills need to be smart, take what the defense gives them, and not turn over the football. They've been doing exactly what they need to, and they should continue that.
If bills offence plays like that again, they will lose by multiple scores.
Mahomes/KC isn't turning the ball over 3 times like Baltimore
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4 minutes ago, Mister Defense said:
? The first six games of this current season?
They scored 34, 31, 47, and 35 points in the first four games, victories, of this season. Then, 10 and 20 in the two losses, of course.
So not sure what you mean by that statement, first 6 games.
In any case, I am confident that the game plan against the bluebirds this past week will not be the same against the Chiefs, as far as the how conservative it will be. But I would definitely be up for point totals like they had early in the season!
Theres context behind all those games and you cant just look at the points. (31 points against Miami, 3 turnovers, with one pick 6)
The jags one I would say that was the only one that they were aggressive .
I hope you're right
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The conservative offence worries me a bit. It kind of reminds me of the first 6 or so games of the season.
Against KC, going to have to open it up more and put the game in your superstar QBs hands
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7 minutes ago, Billl said:
No, they have possibly the best pass rushing D-line in the game, and they whipped us up front with them.
Just googled some stats and saw some clips of the Texans game.
Good mix of 4 and 5 man pressures from Houston .
Mahomes passer rating against the blitz since week 12, is 81.6 (25th in the nfl) and 32nd in completion percentage at 56.3 percent.I definitely stand by my original point even more after seeing those stats- Bills definitely have to send some 5 man pressures in some key situations- As it has given Mahomes a lot of issues the last 6 games or so
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1 minute ago, Billl said:
It’s not the same going the other way, though. The Chiefs live and die with the blitz. Spagnuolo is the GOAT at designing exotic blitzes from any position on the field. Kansas City can and will blitz early and often. If he can help it, McDermott won’t blitz at all because Mahomes thrives against them.
The way to slow Mahomes is to drop as many defenders into coverage as possible while still getting some pressure on him. When he’s struggled, it’s almost always been when teams dropped 8 and his receivers still couldn’t get open.
Correct me if I'm wrong- But didn't Houston blitz a fair amount last week?
I know for sure they did at times and it definitely gave the chiefs some problems. (Including the play with the "roughing the passer" call when Mahomes missed Kelce)
I just don't know the frequency at the top of my head in which they did it
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19 minutes ago, zow2 said:
Would you all feel more comfortable if this game was in Orchard Park? or do you believe this is how it’s meant to be. If we’re going to get to the big game, it has to be through Mahomes and Reid at Arrowhead?
Ive always felt this version of KC is an excellent road team. Maybe even better on the road than home. I’m ok playing them there. I think our guys will relish it.
Would feel much better if it was in orchard park- As the chiefs are extremely tough to beat in arrowhead, and the bills don't have a road playoff win in the McDermott era.
But it's still a winnable game. And if the bills play their A game, they are heading to New Orleans
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Just now, Billl said:
If Buffalo can’t get pressure with the front 4, they will lose.
We will see. Bills blitzed/spyed Mahomes and played way more man against them in the previous match up, and it worked good for the most part.
In an ideal world, you get pressure with 4 of course.
I just don't think Bills can just sit back and rush 4 though- As Mahomes will have all day and will pick them apart
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24 minutes ago, Dan said:
How effective is Mahomes when blitzed? We need to pressure him and make him uncomfortable, but is blitzing on half the plays the best way to do that?
I hear you- But Lamar was also insane against the blitz before the Bills game.
His stats when the Bills blitzed him according to Joe marino? 6 for 12 for 99 yards with an INT
His stats when he wasn't blitzed? Something like 12 for 13 for around 150 yards and 2 TDs.
Moral of my point is- The front 4 isn't good enough to get consistent pressure, and I think they will have to lean into sending 5 guys a fair amount of the time
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If the bills lose this game, I want them to go down swinging.
Offence: Admittedly I'm a bit concerned with the heavy run approach. I think it's going to be a long day at the office if the bills try to run as much as last week.
Even though the Bills were very productive against the chiefs the last meeting, I feel a lot of that was Josh bailing them out of 3rd and longs- Will be hard to replicate that in Arrowhead
Josh needs 30-35 drop backs IMODefence: Love how much they blitzed Baltimore. (48 percent of drop backs)
Lets hope Bobby B keeps dialing up pressures.
assuming they get their guys back, I think this Bills defence matches up pretty well against KC
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2 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:
Bobby was asked during the presser, and I don't remember the exact question, but his response was...I'll keep that conversation between me and him (Milano). That to me sounds like he was kept out for tactical/coaches decision type reasons, but I don't know. Doesn't sound like he was injured.
Interesting.
Milano also posted the next day on his Instagram which is probably a good sign. (Grasping for straws here lol)
So you got to think everything is ok? Let's hope-
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9 hours ago, JoshAllin said:
The last I remember of Milano he was one on one vs a 300+olinemen and trying to will his way through him. Not sure if he wore himself out there
It was really strange- Saw the replay last night. His last play happened and then I believe it was the 2 minute warning.
So I'm not sure if it was a fatigue issue, since he would have had rest after the 2 minute warning, unless he truly had nothing left.
But the weird part when he was out- I saw him on the sidelines with his helmet on. Not near the injury tent or anything.So who knows what happened, bit of a strange one
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19 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:
I don’t live in New York so that -5 ain’t my life anymore tho it is cold here too in the 20s right nowCold and in the 20s? You Americans crack me up sometimes😉feels like -30 (Celsius) where I am now.
But I know it's all relative- As if you were in a colder climate then moved to a warmer one, then in the 20s would feel a lot colder to your point
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4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
Yes, but those 3 plays were far more important in terms of deciding who was going to win and lose than the other 117 plays were.
Fair- so we are in agreement with that then.
We just disagree with the "definition of", who played better
Anyways, thrilled with the W. We can definitely agree on that and go Bills
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34 minutes ago, Big Turk said:
"Before you can figure out how you are going to win the game, you first have to figure out how not to lose it. Most games aren't won, they are lost."
-Bill Belichick
The Bills controlled the game. Baltimore led for under 6 minutes early in the first quarter and then never led again the entire game and were never even tied after the Bills went up 14-7.
We have a difference in our definition on who was the better team then.
If you look at it at the lens of- The bills didn't make mistakes and made 3 massive plays. Fair.
I look at it as there are around 120 plays in the football game. Baltimore was better in the vast majority of those plays. The difference was 3 the big plays.
Do you at least agree with that assessment?^
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4 minutes ago, uninja said:
How many times have we seen Patriot and Chiefs teams win games like this where they just play complimentary football and wait for the other team to make a mistake?That's literally my point and I even referenced KC as an example earlier .
I'm taking nothing away from the bills as they got a massive W and they didn't shoot themselves in the foot. And let's be honest, finally got a little bit of a break .
All I'm saying is Baltimore for the majority of the game, was the Better team. They out gained them by 140 yards ... lol. What I'm saying here gentleman is not a hot take .
I could also careless that Baltimore was the better team, cause at the end of the day getting the win is all that matters
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16 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said:
Yes, the result matters. Would anyone say that the Bills outplayed the Chiefs in the 13 second game?
Two completely different games. 13 seconds was a back and forth even game.
Yesterday Baltimore dominated every category except turnovers- Which was the difference. Credit to the bills for making those plays for sure, not denying that
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Just now, Fan in Chicago said:
Again, the Ravens outplayed us in certain areas but we won which means we outplayed them overall. You should rightfully draw flak for your position.
I did not like the play calling at all on O in the 3rd quarter but am very confident that Allen would have aired it out in the 4th quarter if it became critical to win the game. This was a very good defense we won against but we played better in the cold conditions. Period.
So you are basically saying every time a team wins, they automatically outplay the other team?
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42 minutes ago, Dafan said:
They made one mistake...Andrew's dropping on the 2pt. Why can ppl not give the defense credit for forcing turnovers?
I am giving the defence credit for making plays. The bigger question is- Why can't people acknowledge that Baltimore out played the bills?
Its ok to say that and still Be thrilled with the win.
KC gets out played in like 70 percent of their wins lol
Van Noy - "I've never seen them (Bills) do this as conservative they played"
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Yes they did in the 1st half.
You said Baltimore sold out to stop the run in the 2nd half- That's exactly my point: Why are the bills slamming into heavy man boxes time after time?
If they mixed in play action more and took a few more shots in the 2nd half, I think the bills would have won this one easily